Ohio Club Shootout
 

There have been many posts on this forum about eliminating gun free zones in clubs, bars, sporting events, etc.

Well, in a Cincinnatti night club, several young people brought pistols into the club; some arguments broke out and guns were pulled out. Many shots were fired. One patron was killed and over a dozen more were wounded. Nothing was said about Islamic terrorists or illegal immigrants.

Guns, booze, young people, and amped up testosterone are not good combinations.

Kind of like John Wesley Harding shooting someone through a wall because he snored too much. Shot for Snoring? - True West Magazine

The culture is created where picking up a gun and using it comes very easily at least for some people.

Dear guest:

I do not question your account. However with or without gun control those same people involved would have had firepower at the ready. Chicago has strict gun control laws and it seems to be breaking all time records for the number of murders.

consider this. At one time police in England did not carry guns. they do now and had it not been for that fact the recent death toll in the London attack would have been much higher.

Finally what you describe above is gang rivalry and as we witnessed in the past they can use guns, chains, knives, bats, etc.

"when your a jet your jet all the way from your first drawing breath to your last dying day":D

Personal Best Regards:

Your quote from "West Side Story" is good but the grammar is wrong. The first and second "your" should be "you're". It is a contraction meaning "you are"

Regarding the club shooting - if there had been effective gun (weapon) control such as frisking or magnetometer searches of patrons by the off duty cops - there would not have been the guns, knives, chains, etc. - so the shootout would not have happened.

You are stating the obvious, Tal. but you could easily have said that picking up a knife, ax, or baseball bat or even running someone over in a parking lot "comes very easily, at least to some people." Whatever is the weapon of opportunity. Guns are not allowed in bars. I would be willing to bet that the gun used in this case was not even legally obtained or registered.

I've also seen my share of knife fights and/or stabbings. I even saw a woman that had an ax planted in her forehead by her spouse or boyfriend. Interesting sight. Weapon of opportunity. People are prone to violence, so unless you want to administer drugs to everyone via their water supply, we will always have to deal with violence. Better to be prepared than to count on someone else to protect you that might not be nearby when you need them.

Most bars have a huge number of weapons of opportunity which in the right hands can kill-- chairs, pool sticks, broken bottles, broken mirror shards, pencils, knives and forks, etc.

Seldom do people use these though. Any moron can shoot a revolver or other kind of pistol. Samuel Colt made all men and women equal in that regard.

That's TRUE.

Dear Guest;

While I know you're is a contraction for you are, I was congratulating myself for the fact that I could recall even one line from that broadway show:D appreciate the heads up

However, your (not you're) critique reminds me of what we had to say about company auditors when the came to our region to present their annual results of our operations and ended up only nitpicking."

"auditors are those guys who come in after the battle and bayonet the dead".

So can I assume since you believe in the efficacy of stop and frisk? Should big cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, Washington, DC institute stop and frisk?

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Personally, I have absolutely no problem with "stop and frisk" anywhere - whether it is Chicago, Washington, NYC, Wildwood, or The Villages.

It's..."I was Congratulating myself."

With as often as you do it (at great risk of personal injury, when you're always patting yourself on the back)...it's surprising that you screwed up something so simple. :oops:

On second thought, given your lack of intellectual prowess...maybe not so surprising after all. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

I read about this kind of thing ALL the time.
Well, this there was this one time, anyway...

Ohio is known for producing a lot of idiots.

The post had to do with the idiotic idea of having "gun free zones" as a thing of the past. The post showed what having handguns in a nightclub can do. Even if the guns were forbidden to be there, it was NOT open season on the one shooter who started the shootout but rather general mayhem by all that were armed.

Bars, clubs, restaurants, churches, sporting events should all be gun free zones. Enforcement by all means available.

And there's a 90% chance it was MINORITY gang violence. Face it...we have a MINORITIES WITH GUNS problem. They make a huge deal about it when some white guy shoots something up, but minorities do that kind of thing EVERY weekend in the inner cities. They are literally 10X more violent than white people.

So...we should ALL be searched everywhere we go...when we KNOW that minorities are 10X more likely to be illegally packing AND willing to use it? NO. Search THEM. Profiling WORKS...ask ANY cop.

This was just another minority gang war. It happens so frequently, most don't make the news.

Half the population is already on mind altering drugs. The other half are getting their chance with legalized marijuana. You might as well put some soma in the water...most of the population is drugged anyway.

There were minority gangs doing what they do, they spread outside their ghetto, that's why someone noticed.

ONLY if you shoot first.

A good body shot and you won't be much of a threat. Imagine lying on your back and someone drops a bowling ball from 20ft up...it'll break your concentration. A bullet entering the body creates a quit large cavity depending on the caliber it'll kill you quickly or hurt like hell...as you bleed internally. It can literally blow apart your organs.

sure...a customs station at all the toll booths going into the cities. Keep out those dangerous guns! /s

OMG, are you KIDDING me? In the villages? Stop and frisk at the squares? When you enter restaurants? How about the clubs in the rec centers...frisk everyone there too? At the pool? Are you f@cking insane?

MINORITIES are the violence and crime problem. Minorities having guns is the "gun" problem. White crime...not Hispanics being CALLED white...but REAL white crime is VERY small. Why do you think WHITE places are paradise and minority places ALL suck? White people are different.

You're such a douche...no wonder some call you the (unt...for you truly are.

:1rotfl:

Being called names by gutter, racist scum like you, DirtBag, LargeBug, etc...is like a badge of honor for me. :D

Thanks. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

We agree...and NYC "broken windows"policy is a good idea.

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You have got to stop flirting with me. Your personal feelings toward me are getting to be a little creepy

The congratulations actually was the fault of spell check. Because my not so nimble fingers juxtaposition two letters and I right clicked and evidently clicked on congratulation. I changed my mistake as I read this thread again this morning and before I read your thread

I wish you no ill will because hate is not a part of my make up

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Bull$hit! :1rotfl:

'Hate' is your primary personal quality...right behind hypocrisy and blind loyalty to scumbags like Chump. :oops:

The plethora of threads/posts where you are schizophrenic when talking about 'civility' one minute, then soapbox, broad-brushed bloviating diatribes attacking those on the left the next minute...is proof of that. :thumbup:

I doubt you have even fooled yourself, but you certainly haven't fooled those of us who are intelligent enough to see right through...your massive insecurity and desperate attempt to matter. :ho:

Then again, being a pseudo-intellectual who reacts on pure emotion, without critical thinking being in the equation...maybe you HAVE fooled yourself. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Hang in there. :wave:

What this story shows is that even in gun free zones this kind of thing can happen. This club was a gun free zone and patron were searched with an electronic wand to detect hidden weapons before they could enter.

So what we had is a similar scenario that we've had thousands of times in the past. The good, law abiding, responsible gun owners left their guns at home or in their cars and had no defense against criminals carrying illegal guns.

I am annoyed every tie I go to the Orlando airport to pick someone up or drop them off. There is a sign that says weapons are not permitted so I lock my gun in the glove and walk around waiting to be an indefensible victim like so many are in gun free zones otherwise known as "target rich environments".

Are many of you men taking testosterone or perhaps you are drinking all day that could cause you to behave like you have no ability to control your rancor? Name calling and flinging cruelties about really do not display your brain power. ****ing someone off is so juvenile and shows so much lack of control and makes you appear as if you haven't lived long in any area that was mostly law abiding.

It makes you look bad, really bad and proves not a thing other than you probably have a dysfunctional life.

AND as far as I know, I am the only idiot from Ohio. The rest of people from Ohio are hard working, nice, attractive and know how to control their mouths and their behavior, of course I am only a woman. We all know how dumb and emotional we are.

Carry on. Dumbasses.

IF the Cincinnatti club patrons were searched, it was an inept job of searching.

Allow everyone to be armed and it would be mass chaos with bullets flying everywhere. How about encouraging patrons at college or pro sporting events to carry? How would that work out?

Carrying a gun is your right - in legal places - but you are one paranoid dude if you are worried about not having it with you.

It depends on where he travels doesn't it Sandy?

Here in the villages...yes, a little paranoid...in the badder parts of Florida...you know...where the minorities live...he'd be crazy to go without it.

No problem here. :D


It's hilarious and quite satisfying seeing the azzholes post...then taking them down a few notches. :thumbup:

Go for it... Take me down a notch. Let do a test... I'll walk down main street in the villages at 9pm on a Saturday...and you walk down MLK Blvd in the baddest, blackest, most dangerous and violent inner city... We'll see who wants the protection of a weapon.

But will you give us a heads up on which date you will be walking down Main Street in The Villages at 9pm so we can all join you in your march?

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We still have not heard from any of the gun holders as to their views on advocating that spectators at college and pro sporting events carrying handguns.

You don't think white people can control themselves? It's the MINORITIES who go crazy after a game. They are the ones who riot and destroy things.

Keep THEM away from guns as they kill more people than anyone else. Keep THEM away from guns because they can't control their emotions. Keep THEM away...period. We'd ALL be much happier...and safer.

No, we have a gangs with illegal gun problem. And most of them are in the cities with the strictest gun control which has been shown over and over to be counter productive.

Unfortunately, some people believe that the answer to this problem is to take away the rights of good, responsible, law abiding gun owners. This will only give more power to the criminals who will now have all the guns.

I guess you didn't hear the story about what happened at the Ft Lauderdale airport a few weeks ago.

It's not that I'm worried about not having my gun with me. It's that I'm worried about not having it with me in target rich environments where only bad guys will have guns.

Putting up a sign banning guns is telling people who want to commit heinous acts with guns that they can get away with it without any resistance.

I have no problem not having a gun IF the government or the place that I'm at can GUARANTEE that NO ONE ELSE will have a gun. So far I have yet to see that happen.

As long as there is a chance that bad guys will have guns, and so called gun free zones increase that chance, then I feel that I have a right to have my gun with me.

It's not that a gun will guarantee anything and it certainly won't guarantee that bad things won't happen. But it does give me a fighting chance.

The victims in the Ft Lauderdale had zero chance. If there had been responsible law abiding citizens there with guns the shooter may have been stopped before more damage was done. Might some people have shot the wrong person? Sure, but those people might have been shot anyway.


What we know is that if bad guys know that there are other people carrying guns, they are much less likely to try something. If they do try something there is a greater likelihood that they will be stopped sooner than if no other guns are present.

One instance has been presented in this thread of people with illegal guns going wrong. There are thousands of instances where armed citizens have prevented violence and we don't know how many times a violent act has been averted because the perpetrator was afraid that there might be armed citizens in the area.

If it were thought that every person in the stadium was armed do you think that it's more or less likely that someone would pull out a gun?

Yes, it was an inept job of searching. But guns were not allowed and bullets were still flying everywhere. So how did banning guns prevent this?

I would posit that the first people that pulled out guns were led to believe that they were the only ones with a gun in the place. Or, it was an organized plot by several people to sneak guns in and shoot the place up, in which case, the unarmed people had no chance.

We'll learn more as we know more about exactly what happened. But the bottom line is that banning guns, once again, did not stop a gun crime.

The same as banning guns did not stop the Ft Lauderdale shooter.

But - if everyone was armed, the carnage would be greater. Alcohol fueled in bars or clubs or sporting events - guns would be blazing.

But think how much money could be raised by the gov't for G.U.I convictions.