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Rockyrd 04-07-2017 05:12 AM
Syria missle attack
 
As someone who could not get anyone to even read my posts and threads on Syria as Bucco 4 years ago, I applaud the missle strike in Syria.

ColdNoMore 04-07-2017 05:55 AM
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As someone who could not get anyone to even read my posts and threads on Syria as Bucco 4 years ago, I applaud the missle strike in Syria.
I'll be honest, I'm a bit ambivalent on it.

While my immediate reaction when Assad did the same thing in 2013, was to retaliate with military force...I also understand why there was reluctance on Congress' part to take military action. :oops:

What's being glossed over this time by the Trump Cultists in general, and Trump in particular, is the FACT that Congress would not even bring to a vote...Obama's request to take military action.


Trump Hypocrisy: Blaming Syrian Chemical Attack on Obama | Mother Jones

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It will come as no surprise at this point that the Trump White House's position was hypocritical. First, Obama's red line at the time was a threat of US military action against Syria should it continue to use chemical weapons.

When Obama asked the GOP-led Congress to authorize the potential use of force against Syria, the Republicans, not wanting to take a firm stance, declined to hold a vote.

Not to mention that at the time, Trump HIMSELF tweeted that Obama needs the approval of Congress (which Trump obviously did not get before yesterday's bombing)....and that we should take NO ACTION toward Syria.

Trump to Obama in 2013: Do not attack Syria - CNN Video


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Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO"

Simply more proof that Chump is....a flaming liar and a hypocrite. :ohdear:

Rockyrd 04-07-2017 06:04 AM
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I'll be honest, I'm a bit ambivalent on it.

While my immediate reaction when Assad did the same thing in 2013, was to retaliate with military force...I also understand why there was reluctance on Congress' part to take military action. :oops:

What's being glossed over this time by the Trump Cultists in general, and Trump in particular, is the FACT that Congress would not even bring to a vote...Obama's request to take military action.


Trump Hypocrisy: Blaming Syrian Chemical Attack on Obama | Mother Jones




Not to mention that at the time, Trump HIMSELF tweeted that Obama needs the approval of Congress (which Trump obviously did not get before yesterday's bombing) and that we should take NO ACTION toward Syria.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/04/04/president-donald-trump-barack-obama-syria-gas-attack-tweet-sot-cnni.cnn]Trump to Obama in 2013: Do not attack Syria - CNN Video[/url


Simply more proof that Chump is....a flaming liar and a hypocrite. :ohdear:
I agree with much of what you say.

I recall vividly the resistance Obama got at that time, the warnings issued actually from congress to not react. I felt striping enough then to say forget it.

I DO think Trump makes a serious mistake if he does not openly and loud beginning talks with both sides of congress. I believe in our government and how it works best when both sides are engaged and have a voice.

I have always said I do not trust Trump, to the point people on here enjoy their little name calling, but two things....

1. Just a week since he "embraced" Assad, I do believe he got educated in the real world by the chemical attack, and I am glad he "changed his mind"

2. Getting the hard right, actually alt right radical Bannon out of his ear is a good and positive sign.

Trump has not "SOLD ME" but when I agree....I agree.

ColdNoMore 04-07-2017 06:26 AM
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I agree with much of what you say.

I recall vividly the resistance Obama got at that time, the warnings issued actually from congress to not react. I felt striping enough then to say forget it.

I DO think Trump makes a serious mistake if he does not openly and loud beginning talks with both sides of congress. I believe in our government and how it works best when both sides are engaged and have a voice.

I have always said I do not trust Trump, to the point people on here enjoy their little name calling, but two things....

1. Just a week since he "embraced" Assad, I do believe he got educated in the real world by the chemical attack, and I am glad he "changed his mind"

2. Getting the hard right, actually alt right radical Bannon out of his ear is a good and positive sign.

Trump has not "SOLD ME" but when I agree....I agree.
The most interesting part, will be to watch for Russia's reaction to the bombings.

Will they soft-pedal it, or take a harder stance toward Trump...and therefore back Trump in a corner to start calling out Russia more forcefully?

Or will the Russian's maybe even hint at whatever they 'might' have on Trump...and stop Trump in his tracks?

I can easily see this as Trump's one and only action toward Syria, whereby he can crow and brag about 'being a strong military leader, unlike Obama' (which of course, is totally false being that Congress stopped Obama and Trump didn't even ask Congress' permission)...but then do nothing else in fear of pi$$ing off Putin.

Only the future knows. :D


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Rockyrd 04-07-2017 06:34 AM
I will be a bit more optimistic and hope he turned a corner.

Russia MUST be called out. I never have understood, even so many posters support for what is an evil, killing regime and certainly an enemy of the US in every way.

"MOSCOW — Russia reacted harshly on Friday to the American strike against Syria, maintaining its view that its ally, President Bashar al-Assad, had not bombed his own people with chemical weapons and saying that the United States’ operation would further corrode already dismal relations between Moscow and Washington."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/w...kes-syria.html

Taltarzac725 04-07-2017 06:37 AM
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I will be a bit more optimistic and hope he turned a corner.

Russia MUST be called out. I never have understood, even so many posters support for what is an evil, killing regime and certainly an enemy of the US in every way.

"MOSCOW — Russia reacted harshly on Friday to the American strike against Syria, maintaining its view that its ally, President Bashar al-Assad, had not bombed his own people with chemical weapons and saying that the United States’ operation would further corrode already dismal relations between Moscow and Washington."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/w...kes-syria.html
It is a step anyway. It will be very interesting what happens next with all this.

Paper1 04-07-2017 07:35 AM
Cruise missles are about $1,000,000 a pop. A great investment for a country who is borrowing money to pay for medicare and social security.

Taltarzac725 04-07-2017 07:41 AM
Pentagon: US strike in Syria a 'proportional response' | TheHill

Looks like Trump talked on the Red Phone to Putin before doing this.

rustyp 04-07-2017 07:43 AM
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Cruise missles are about $1,000,000 a pop. A great investment for a country who is borrowing money to pay for medicare and social security.
I head a retired general last night say they cost over 2 mil each when loaded up. Put on BBC news they are carrying footage of the Syrian airport. There does not appear to be much damage in the footage being shown. Runways still in tact with burn marks on them. Planes still in bunkers - look untouched. Maybe I am being propagandized.

billethkid 04-07-2017 07:45 AM
No one expects any accolades from the resistence to Trump party.

He did the right thing. Congress has proven to be nothing more than an elected bunch of political, self preserving obstructionists.

As commander in chief with the advice and counsel of the military leadership, decision making is more targeted (pun intended).

Trump telegraphs the days of the meaningless lines in the sand are over!

Congress needs to be re-invented and voided of the old baggage establishment. Useless!

Taltarzac725 04-07-2017 07:45 AM
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I head a retired general last night say they cost over 2 mil each when loaded up. Put on BBC news they are carrying footage of the Syrian airport. There does not appear to be much damage in the footage being shown. Runways still in tact with burn marks on them. Planes still in bunkers - look untouched. Maybe I am being propagandized.
Typical Donald Trump smoke and mirrors.

RickeyD 04-07-2017 07:50 AM
Trump needed to show his detractors that he does in fact have an operable albeit small penius.

dirtbanker 04-07-2017 08:05 AM
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Trump needed to show his detractors that he does in fact have an operable albeit small penius.
I guess you prefer BIG penius?

I doubt the decision was based on his detractors...he could care less about the whining losers.

I applaud the decision as it was a vast improvement over the failed rhetoric of the prior administration.



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Taltarzac725 04-07-2017 08:05 AM
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Trump needed to show his detractors that he does in fact have an operable albeit small penius.
I will take his word for it.

Taltarzac725 04-07-2017 08:08 AM
Second attack on Syrian town hit by chemical weapons reported after Trump strikes in Idlib – live | World news | The Guardian

Information what is going on with Syria and these missile strikes.

RickeyD 04-07-2017 08:14 AM
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I guess you prefer BIG penius?

I doubt the decision was based on his detractors...he could care less about the whining losers.

I applaud the decision as it was a vast improvement over the failed rhetoric of the prior administration.



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Personally I do think a man should have a large penius. Such men don't need to prove to other men how much of a man they are, which they aren't. Hitting an air base was a safe move for this paper tiger.

dirtbanker 04-07-2017 08:14 AM
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Cruise missles are about $1,000,000 a pop. A great investment for a country who is borrowing money to pay for medicare and social security.
So you think we wasted money? Do you believe we should have made more threats? Maybe another failed threat would have frightened Assad into being a decent guy...

Or, are you saying we should not care if some leader of a country gases women and children? I know Don - they are not equal...

I also wonder if NATO would be sharing the cost of those missles deployed in response to a condemned action?

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Taltarzac725 04-07-2017 08:25 AM
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Personally I do think a man should have a large penius. Such men don't need to prove to other men how much of a man they are, which they aren't. Hitting an air base was a safe move for this paper tiger.
Except that unless you are gay you seldom see....while you get the idea.

And look at what actually happened with Obama and Syria before making snap judgments. Things are a lot easier in hindsight. And what was Trump's position on Syria and Assad just last week?

dirtbanker 04-07-2017 08:31 AM
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Personally I do think a man should have a large penius. Such men don't need to prove to other men how much of a man they are, which they aren't. Hitting an air base was a safe move for this paper tiger.
You must be a lady, or a feminine man, to have that opinion.

Nobody feared Obamma, he was a pussy. He would have ****ed his pants rather than respond with force.

Hitting an air base cost Assad a few things; number one is MONEY will be needed to repair the air base, and number two is the reduced ability to fly aircraft. If you don't believe either of those are important your foolish.

It also lessened the chance of innocent lives being lost. Sure everyone would like to bomb Assad's home while he eats breakfast, but that would highten the innocent lives lost (as he surely is not living in a remote area by himself).

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dirtbanker 04-07-2017 08:37 AM
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Except that unless you are gay you seldom see....while you get the idea.

And look at what actually happened with Obama and Syria before making snap judgments. Things are a lot easier in hindsight. And what was Trump's position on Syria and Assad just last week?
Is there a decoder ring that I am supposed to use to decifer your post?

Is there something of substance you are trying to say??



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graciegirl 04-07-2017 09:53 AM
Live Coverage from CBS News

Rockyrd 04-07-2017 10:56 AM
NEXT STEP, in my humble opinion....

Come to congress and advise them of what your long range plan is for Syria as best you can.

Ask them to clearly define the authorization for war as they see it and get it all clarified.

Trump himself decried in a tweet in 2013 after the last gas attack,""The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!"

Right now there are few if any critiques of this action, but keep it going and get them on your side. This is not going to be easy, lets just say his past record for dishonestly and truth will not help him but you need to begin to establish trust.

Paper1 04-07-2017 12:46 PM
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So you think we wasted money? Do you believe we should have made more threats? Maybe another failed threat would have frightened Assad into being a decent guy...

Or, are you saying we should not care if some leader of a country gases women and children? I know Don - they are not equal...

I also wonder if NATO would be sharing the cost of those missles deployed in response to a condemned action?

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I'm not Don but yes I personally believe we wasted money as we have for the last 16 years. If we were paying real time with a big tax increase a lot of the chicken hawks would turn into doves. IMO

Rockyrd 04-07-2017 03:02 PM
Ambassador Haley is on it.....


"Russia is supposed to be a guarantor of the removal of chemical weapons in Syria," Amb. Nikki Haley says. "Think about that."

""The world is waiting for the Russian government to act responsibly in Syria," Amb. Nikki Haley says at UN: cbsn.ws/1UJwwDb

Rockyrd 04-07-2017 03:32 PM
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NEXT STEP, in my humble opinion....

Come to congress and advise them of what your long range plan is for Syria as best you can.

Ask them to clearly define the authorization for war as they see it and get it all clarified.

Trump himself decried in a tweet in 2013 after the last gas attack,""The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!"

Right now there are few if any critiques of this action, but keep it going and get them on your side. This is not going to be easy, lets just say his past record for dishonestly and truth will not help him but you need to begin to establish trust.
Just to re emphasize my earlier......

This move was right, but solves not the real problem.

Gotta come up with a long range plan NOW and get congress on your side.

ColdNoMore 04-07-2017 05:59 PM
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I agree with much of what you say.

I recall vividly the resistance Obama got at that time, the warnings issued actually from congress to not react. I felt striping enough then to say forget it.

I DO think Trump makes a serious mistake if he does not openly and loud beginning talks with both sides of congress. I believe in our government and how it works best when both sides are engaged and have a voice.

I have always said I do not trust Trump, to the point people on here enjoy their little name calling, but two things....

1. Just a week since he "embraced" Assad, I do believe he got educated in the real world by the chemical attack, and I am glad he "changed his mind"

2. Getting the hard right, actually alt right radical Bannon out of his ear is a good and positive sign.

Trump has not "SOLD ME" but when I agree....I agree.
As to your second point, it looks like the combination of Syria (and I'm sure Bannon being kicked off the NSC)...has the alt-right up in arms.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/u...ght-syria.html
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Some of President Trump’s most ardent campaign supporters were among his most vocal opponents on Thursday after he ordered the missile strike against Syria, charging him with breaking his promise to keep the United States out of another conflict in the Middle East.

Prominent writers and bloggers on the far right attacked Mr. Trump. They accused him of turning against his voters by waging an attack that he had for years said would be a terrible idea. They also criticized him for launching the strike without first seeking congressional approval — something he said on Twitter in 2013 would be a “big mistake.”

The most vocal in their outrage were leaders from the small but influential white nationalist movement.


... For some on the far right, particularly those who are pro-Russia, Mr. Trump’s strike crossed a line.
As for me, until Bannon and his band of white-nationalist fake news purveyor's are totally purged from this administration (and Trump quits reading their trash :oops:)...I'm not holding any hope that Trump will get any better.

With or without them, he's spent his whole life having absolute power, spewing lies with impunity, bullying anyone who pricks his thin-skin, all without consequences...and I don't see that changing. :shrug:

billethkid 04-07-2017 07:37 PM
Get congress on his side?

You mean the same congress that was supportive of Gorsuch?

The divide is so wide and so polarized the current congress would be debating and positioning for weeks/months.

It will, I am afraid, take a national incident of some sort to get the attention of Washington establishment to focus on the country and the safety of it's citizens......instead of their individual status or party.

ColdNoMore 04-07-2017 07:45 PM
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Get congress on his side?

You mean the same congress that was supportive of Gorsuch?

The divide is so wide and so polarized the current congress would be debating and positioning for weeks/months.

It will, I am afraid, take a national incident of some sort to get the attention of Washington establishment to focus on the country and the safety of it's citizens......instead of their individual status or party.
C'mon man, you're seriously not that dumb...are you? :oops:

"Getting Congress on his side" doesn't, nor will EVER...mean 100%. :ohdear:

The Repub's currently have majorities in both houses...so what's the problem? :confused:



As for the "safety of it's citizens"...exactly what are you saying/implying? :shrug:


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