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rubicon 04-12-2017 04:21 AM

If Its Children Are A Nation's Future"
 
I am very interested in the degree of awareness people have of what is occurring in our schools and posters sharing their views.

If its children are a nation's future then how should we respond to the state of our learning institutions today?

By anyone's measure we seem to be failing in properly educating our children. Most seem to need remedial programs before entering college if they can even meet such standards even when lowered. Worse yet they are not prepared for the realities of life
Can you imagine the conversation between a kid who grew up in San Francisco to one who grew up in Aleppo?

Further, it has become an everyday event when we hear of some college student who has a breakdown over some trigger warning , micro-aggression, culture appropriation and seeking safe space.
We read or hear of the continual resistance to uninvite speakers to colleges or universities that do not share a segment of the student's population ideology. And being uninvited is the most civil of their actions because in many educational institutes speakers are met with threats of bodily harm, buildings are vandalize, etc. Faculty members advancing calls for exercising free speech are ostracized and banished from universities. Most educational institute presidents meekly defer to students demands

Essentially students are super-sensitive, make it clear they do not want to hear a different point of view and are attempting to re-write a history they deem is inoffensive . So how can they become our future leaders in public government or private industry if they cannot manage to digest life has it has happened since the beginning of time?

Personal Best Regards:

MDLNB 04-12-2017 04:51 AM

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I am very interested in the degree of awareness people have of what is occurring in our schools and posters sharing their views.

If its children are a nation's future then how should we respond to the state of our learning institutions today?

By anyone's measure we seem to be failing in properly educating our children. Most seem to need remedial programs before entering college if they can even meet such standards even when lowered. Worse yet they are not prepared for the realities of life
Can you imagine the conversation between a kid who grew up in San Francisco to one who grew up in Aleppo?

Further, it has become an everyday event when we hear of some college student who has a breakdown over some trigger warning , micro-aggression, culture appropriation and seeking safe space.
We read or hear of the continual resistance to uninvite speakers to colleges or universities that do not share a segment of the student's population ideology. And being uninvited is the most civil of their actions because in many educational institutes speakers are met with threats of bodily harm, buildings are vandalize, etc. Faculty members advancing calls for exercising free speech are ostracized and banished from universities. Most educational institute presidents meekly defer to students demands

Essentially students are super-sensitive, make it clear they do not want to hear a different point of view and are attempting to re-write a history they deem is inoffensive . So how can they become our future leaders in public government or private industry if they cannot manage to digest life has it has happened since the beginning of time?

Personal Best Regards:

Not quite on subject but the reason that these kids need free college is because they are not learning what we learned in high school. Their level of knowledge and learning is substandard in comparison. Even Sanders said as much in his campaign.

Don Baldwin 04-12-2017 05:45 AM

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I am very interested in the degree of awareness people have of what is occurring in our schools and posters sharing their views.

If its children are a nation's future then how should we respond to the state of our learning institutions today?

By anyone's measure we seem to be failing in properly educating our children. Most seem to need remedial programs before entering college if they can even meet such standards even when lowered. Worse yet they are not prepared for the realities of life
Can you imagine the conversation between a kid who grew up in San Francisco to one who grew up in Aleppo?

Further, it has become an everyday event when we hear of some college student who has a breakdown over some trigger warning , micro-aggression, culture appropriation and seeking safe space.
We read or hear of the continual resistance to uninvite speakers to colleges or universities that do not share a segment of the student's population ideology. And being uninvited is the most civil of their actions because in many educational institutes speakers are met with threats of bodily harm, buildings are vandalize, etc. Faculty members advancing calls for exercising free speech are ostracized and banished from universities. Most educational institute presidents meekly defer to students demands

Essentially students are super-sensitive, make it clear they do not want to hear a different point of view and are attempting to re-write a history they deem is inoffensive . So how can they become our future leaders in public government or private industry if they cannot manage to digest life has it has happened since the beginning of time?

Personal Best Regards:

Minority kids fail...not the white kids. Get used to MORE failure as they become the majority.

They've been deluded into thinking they're equal...then they find out they aren't...and they freak out.

Now that they are becoming the majority...the "winners"...they are rewriting "his-story" to suit themselves...it's what ALWAYS happens...the winners write the "his-story" they want. WE did it too!

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Not quite on subject but the reason that these kids need free college is because they are not learning what we learned in high school. Their level of knowledge and learning is substandard in comparison. Even Sanders said as much in his campaign.

The REASON is they're minorities who aren't as smart as whites. Compare a "white school" to a "minority school"...which ALWAYS comes out on top and which ALWAYS comes out on the bottom. EVERY TIME.

Taltarzac725 04-12-2017 07:45 AM

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Minority kids fail...not the white kids. Get used to MORE failure as they become the majority.

They've been deluded into thinking they're equal...then they find out they aren't...and they freak out.

Now that they are becoming the majority...the "winners"...they are rewriting "his-story" to suit themselves...it's what ALWAYS happens...the winners write the "his-story" they want. WE did it too!



The REASON is they're minorities who aren't as smart as whites. Compare a "white school" to a "minority school"...which ALWAYS comes out on top and which ALWAYS comes out on the bottom. EVERY TIME.

Don Baldwin right.

Don Baldwin 04-12-2017 07:53 AM

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Don Baldwin right.

It's unfortunate that I AM right...I wish I wasn't. I wish America had a bright future...but it doesn't...Hispanics ARE the MAJORITY below the age of 7 and it rises every year. America's world ranking also FALLS every year as the minority majority continues to grow.

Take the blacks and Hispanics out of the statistics and America is STILL #1 or close to it.

We are literally becoming planet of the apes. As true humans are outnumbered by brutish, ignorant, stupid, "animals".

Taltarzac725 04-12-2017 08:23 AM

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It's unfortunate that I AM right...I wish I wasn't. I wish America had a bright future...but it doesn't...Hispanics ARE the MAJORITY below the age of 7 and it rises every year. America's world ranking also FALLS every year as the minority majority continues to grow.

Take the blacks and Hispanics out of the statistics and America is STILL #1 or close to it.

We are literally becoming planet of the apes. As true humans are outnumbered by brutish, ignorant, stupid, "animals".

Actually most of the apes in the Planet of the Apes movies and books are far smarter and empathetic than you will ever be Don Baldwin. I hope you come back as a black girl in a bad part of Tampa in your next life.

Sandtrap328 04-12-2017 08:25 AM

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It's unfortunate that I AM very stupid...I wish I wasn't. I wish I had a bright future...but I doesn't.. My intelligence also FALLS every year as the minority majority continues to grow.

Take the blacks and Hispanics and America is STILL #1 or close to it.

We are literally becoming a great nation ".

Well said, Don.

Don Baldwin 04-12-2017 08:36 AM

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Actually most of the apes in the Planet of the Apes movies and books are far smarter and empathetic than you will ever be Don Baldwin. I hope you come back as a black girl in a bad part of Tampa in your next life.

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Well said, Don.

See...this is what women must resort to...you have NOTHING to back up your "feelings" so you tell lies, CHANGE my "quoted words", and wish ill on those who disagree and are trying to SAVE you.

Bravo ladies! Show the world what YOU really are.

Got a problem with what I say, dispute my FACTS.

Sandtrap328 04-12-2017 08:50 AM

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I am very interested in the degree of awareness people have of what is occurring in our schools and posters sharing their views.

If its children are a nation's future then how should we respond to the state of our learning institutions today?

By anyone's measure we seem to be failing in properly educating our children. Most seem to need remedial programs before entering college if they can even meet such standards even when lowered. Worse yet they are not prepared for the realities of life
Can you imagine the conversation between a kid who grew up in San Francisco to one who grew up in Aleppo?

Further, it has become an everyday event when we hear of some college student who has a breakdown over some trigger warning , micro-aggression, culture appropriation and seeking safe space.
We read or hear of the continual resistance to uninvite speakers to colleges or universities that do not share a segment of the student's population ideology. And being uninvited is the most civil of their actions because in many educational institutes speakers are met with threats of bodily harm, buildings are vandalize, etc. Faculty members advancing calls for exercising free speech are ostracized and banished from universities. Most educational institute presidents meekly defer to students demands

Essentially students are super-sensitive, make it clear they do not want to hear a different point of view and are attempting to re-write a history they deem is inoffensive . So how can they become our future leaders in public government or private industry if they cannot manage to digest life has it has happened since the beginning of time?

Personal Best Regards:


You do mention some interesting points. Yes, some students have had terrible experiences which would cause re-living them if certain trigger points were brought up. This is PTSD. Those students should be able to seek safe zones just as rape victims, veterans, or other disabling challenged persons.

Students should be able to disinvite speakers who the majority do not agree with their views. David Duke would not be as welcome at Howard Universitiy as he would be at Liberty Universitiy, would he?

Taltarzac725 04-12-2017 08:50 AM

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See...this is what women must resort to...you have NOTHING to back up your "feelings" so you tell lies, CHANGE my "quoted words", and wish ill on those who disagree and are trying to SAVE you.

Bravo ladies! Show the world what YOU really are.

Got a problem with what I say, dispute my FACTS.

You are trying to save me? You just complain about the minorities. You have no solutions that make any sense at all. And how about thinking about the feelings of some African American who might read this at some point Don Baldwin. You should be ashamed about posting this kind of hateful garbage. And your facts are just your crass over-generalizations often looking like they belong in some textbook from the 1950s full of Social Darwinism.

Don Baldwin 04-12-2017 09:23 AM

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You do mention some interesting points. Yes, some students have had terrible experiences which would cause re-living them if certain trigger points were brought up. This is PTSD. Those students should be able to seek safe zones just as rape victims, veterans, or other disabling challenged persons.

Students should be able to disinvite speakers who the majority do not agree with their views. David Duke would not be as welcome at Howard Universitiy as he would be at Liberty Universitiy, would he?

These same students who can't cope with life and NEED "safe zones" should be hired? WHO would want to hire such fragile people? As greeters at WalMart? Are they to be allowed "safe zones" while at work too? Just get up and "regroup" whenever they feel that must? THIS IS what is destroying this country. Women and minorities being treated as "victims" of...life...coddled and given everything they want...so they can feel "good" about themselves.

Who invites them in the first place?

The "students" at Howard NEED David Duke more than they need some idiot who will feed their delusions of equality. They should be preparing them for their life as nature made them, not deluding them into thinking they're equals. Where are the black Newtons and Einsteins?

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You are trying to save me? You just complain about the minorities. You have no solutions that make any sense at all. And how about thinking about the feelings of some African American who might read this at some point Don Baldwin. You should be ashamed about posting this kind of hateful garbage. And your facts are just your crass over-generalizations often looking like they belong in some textbook from the 1950s full of Social Darwinism.

I'm telling you they MUST be deported as the "illegals" they are...ALL the anchor babies. Welfare for them must stop, schooling for them must stop, jobs for them must stop.

Where ARE the Negros defending their race? Maybe they can't defend their race?

It's NOT garbage...equality, diversity is the garbage. SHOW me the equality, SHOW me where diversity made something better.

They're the FACTS that are LEFT OUT of the new textbooks.

Social Darwinism IS happening...right now...white people and our culture is being diluted, erased, replaced by Hispanic and black "culture"...failed cultures. It WILL fail here too.

Women and minorities are taking over...groups that have NEVER developed a successful and thriving civilization...what makes you think they can this time? They have all the infrastructure that white men created? It collapses when we're no longer there to keep it all running.

To keep the Planet of the Apes theme going...we won't blow up the planet allowing the "apes" to take over...we're just plain allowing them to take over...to breed us out. And we PAY them to do it! You women...you really are illogical. You're paying for your own demise, your own destruction. The minority majority will NOT be as kind to you...you've been warned.

Sandtrap328 04-12-2017 10:25 AM

Rubicon started a thread that had very good possibility of being one for civil discussion.

However, it was hijacked by Hater barf Don Baldwin.

What branch of the military did you serve in, Don, and what years, and what specialty? I bet you were a draft dodger.
Give some details so we know you either are or are not a liar and coward.

Now, can we get back to Rubicon's original post?

Taltarzac725 04-12-2017 12:39 PM

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Rubicon started a thread that had very good possibility of being one for civil discussion.

However, it was hijacked by Hater barf Don Baldwin.

What branch of the military did you serve in, Don, and what years, and what specialty? I bet you were a draft dodger.
Give some details so we know you either are or are not a liar and coward.

Now, can we get back to Rubicon's original post?

He has some good thoughts on this thread. I had some similar thoughts in 1991 when I wrote every US Governor trying to get them to look into State Laws against discrimination against survivors/victims of murders, aggravated assault and rape. I did get maybe 20 answers from Governors of from their representatives back in 1991.

Many survivors/victims I have met are anything but fragile but they also have something to deal with every day with PTS. This would be hard to make policy with though and would probably have to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

rubicon 04-12-2017 01:25 PM

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Not quite on subject but the reason that these kids need free college is because they are not learning what we learned in high school. Their level of knowledge and learning is substandard in comparison. Even Sanders said as much in his campaign.

au contraire you are not off subject this is the issue. why are they not learning? why can't kids cope today? Why have they not learned that life is not fair?

One of the reasons is the democratic Party has become a subsidiary of teachers unions. Betsy Devos push for a parent's right for other options other than public school is valid in my view.

I believe in treating kids as a protected species but to encourage participation trophies rather than hard competition is more damaging. Kids simply can't be placed in a bubble because all you do is instill more fear

As to life not being fair. As a kid ,I said that to my Dad once and his response was no s***. I suspect many of you experienced the same sort of things

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rubicon 04-12-2017 01:31 PM

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Minority kids fail...not the white kids. Get used to MORE failure as they become the majority.

They've been deluded into thinking they're equal...then they find out they aren't...and they freak out.

Now that they are becoming the majority...the "winners"...they are rewriting "his-story" to suit themselves...it's what ALWAYS happens...the winners write the "his-story" they want. WE did it too!



The REASON is they're minorities who aren't as smart as whites. Compare a "white school" to a "minority school"...which ALWAYS comes out on top and which ALWAYS comes out on the bottom. EVERY TIME.

My friend, we disagree. This nation and its schools are failing kids miserably. We can't afford to allow not one child the opportunity to learn, excel, find they place in society, whether s/he is white black yellow brown or red. Our children are this nation's future.

the thought of these sniveling brats attending college now scares the heck out of me. How can they lead ,invent, teach ...without an open mind ?

No when it comes to educating our kids it MATTERS THAT WE ATTEMPT TO LIFT ALL SHIPS.

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rubicon 04-12-2017 02:11 PM

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You do mention some interesting points. Yes, some students have had terrible experiences which would cause re-living them if certain trigger points were brought up. This is PTSD. Those students should be able to seek safe zones just as rape victims, veterans, or other disabling challenged persons.

Students should be able to disinvite speakers who the majority do not agree with their views. David Duke would not be as welcome at Howard Universitiy as he would be at Liberty Universitiy, would he?

You and I agreed but l I have a different thought as respects your second paragraph.

Clearly you are referencing one's right to chose to listen. Essentially, this nation was founded on the principal of free speech and expression to ensure the minority view was heard. It may be your right not to attend David Duke's presentation but it is quite another to demand that no one hear him speak.

Because I welcome David Duke to speak doesn't mean I agree with him or his ideas. Actually, his kind have expressed their views in this nation for a very long time. Did their words and ideas harmed anyone? Did they resonate with the majority hyping up the population? (rhetorical questions of course)

The majority in this nation reinforce their rejection and disdain for what David Duke preaches just as they do with Black Lives Matter.

The more egregious issue of course is if a government, a university a corporation , town etc can control what message people receive it can only lead to a repressive regime. Its akin to having "thought police"

In my minds eye selective speech ( policing thoughts) falls in line with the dichotomy of repressive and/or radical governments or groups wherein all who do not agree with them are thus their enemies

This is absolute thinking and the only real absolute is death and most of us are fighting to disprove that one too:D

Personal Best Regards:

Don Baldwin 04-12-2017 02:32 PM

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My friend, we disagree. This nation and its schools are failing kids miserably. We can't afford to allow not one child the opportunity to learn, excel, find they place in society, whether s/he is white black yellow brown or red. Our children are this nation's future.

the thought of these sniveling brats attending college now scares the heck out of me. How can they lead ,invent, teach ...without an open mind ?

No when it comes to educating our kids it MATTERS THAT WE ATTEMPT TO LIFT ALL SHIPS.

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NO...THEIR children are this nations future. They ARE the majority. The schools are failing BECAUSE they are the majority. "WHITE" schools don't fail...diversified schools fail.

NO again...TRYING to lift ALL ships is what got us into this mess. SOME ships can't be lifted...minority ships.

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You and I agreed but l I have a different thought as respects your second paragraph.

Clearly you are referencing one's right to chose to listen. Essentially, this nation was founded on the principal of free speech and expression to ensure the minority view was heard. It may be your right not to attend David Duke's presentation but it is quite another to demand that no one hear him speak.

Because I welcome David Duke to speak doesn't mean I agree with him or his ideas. Actually, his kind have expressed their views in this nation for a very long time. Did their words and ideas harmed anyone? Did they resonate with the majority hyping up the population? (rhetorical questions of course)

The majority in this nation reinforce their rejection and disdain for what David Duke preaches just as they do with Black Lives Matter.

The more egregious issue of course is if a government, a university a corporation , town etc can control what message people receive it can only lead to a repressive regime. Its akin to having "thought police"

In my minds eye selective speech ( policing thoughts) falls in line with the dichotomy of repressive and/or radical governments or groups wherein all who do not agree with them are thus their enemies

This is absolute thinking and the only real absolute is death and most of us are fighting to disprove that one too:D

Personal Best Regards:

We already have "thought police"...this is the ONLY place people like me are allowed to speak the truth. Political correctness dominates. If it can offend ANYONE, it can't be said...or thought.

Sandtrap328 04-12-2017 05:26 PM

You have been called out, Don Baldwin. Answer the question put to you regarding your military service, coward.

Answer or quit the forum.

dirtbanker 04-12-2017 06:13 PM

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You have been called out, Don Baldwin. Answer the question put to you regarding your military service, coward.

Answer or quit the forum.

Hey Sandy - who died and left you boss? You just want to converse with like minds, why don't you try something other than this forum? I don't agree with more than just Don on this forum, should they be asked to leave too?

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MDLNB 04-13-2017 05:10 AM

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You have been called out, Don Baldwin. Answer the question put to you regarding your military service, coward.

Answer or quit the forum.

Did YOU serve your country, Sandy? Are you going to brag about YOUR patriotism? Or, when someone says they served in Vietnam, you will disparage them or demean the reason for being there?

"Answer or quit the forum."

Actually, who cares? Everyone has the right to voice their opinion on here, even you.

rubicon 04-13-2017 05:29 AM

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NO...THEIR children are this nations future. They ARE the majority. The schools are failing BECAUSE they are the majority. "WHITE" schools don't fail...diversified schools fail.

NO again...TRYING to lift ALL ships is what got us into this mess. SOME ships can't be lifted...minority ships.



We already have "thought police"...this is the ONLY place people like me are allowed to speak the truth. Political correctness dominates. If it can offend ANYONE, it can't be said...or thought.

Exactly our educational institutes have been indoctrinating our children with this "wrong thought" philosophy. for example a student says I am a conservative and believe....stop wrong thought. Or as a person I find homosexuality ...stop wrong thought.

Educators have no right to indoctrinate our children to their moral way of belief. frankly they have gone beyond the pale with the so called sex education, diversity protocols etc. simply stated their responsibility is to teach our kids reading writing and arithmetic. Its apparent that many parents are opting out of public education for that reason and some resorting to home schooling.

Personal Best Regards:

Taltarzac725 04-13-2017 06:46 AM

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Did YOU serve your country, Sandy? Are you going to brag about YOUR patriotism? Or, when someone says they served in Vietnam, you will disparage them or demean the reason for being there?

"Answer or quit the forum."

Actually, who cares? Everyone has the right to voice their opinion on here, even you.

Let Don Baldwin continue with his racism. It's ugly, stupid and really makes some of us mad to see it but it is part of US history, unfortunately.

dirtbanker 04-13-2017 06:58 AM

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Did YOU serve your country, Sandy? Are you going to brag about YOUR patriotism? Or, when someone says they served in Vietnam, you will disparage them or demean the reason for being there?

"Answer or quit the forum."

Actually, who cares? Everyone has the right to voice their opinion on here, even you.

Actually...Sandy did serve...Vietnam if I remember correctly. (Maybe the wackadoodle has it written down somewhere).

I don't feel that gives him the right to try to kick people off the forum, but I still thank him for his service.

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