Originally Posted by Edjkoz (Post 1385861)

I'm sure they made sure their victim should were comfortable before they killed them. Sorry, I have no compassion for animals like this

Originally Posted by leftyf (Post 1385998)

I just don't understand why they can't use the same drugs the Veterinarians use. My dog showed no pain when I had to put him to sleep.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1385837)

Arkansas rushes to execute 7 inmates before lethal drug expires - CBS News

They could at least get the right drugs for this.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386073)

State sanctioned execution is murder regardless the transgression. Morally indefensible by western standards and sinful by Christian standards. No different than abortion or an unjustified war.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1386081)

Your opinion not mine. Please put IMO in front of your opinionated posts.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386073)

State sanctioned execution is murder regardless the transgression...

Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1386136)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...e-invasion.jpg



On July 22, 2007, as repeated blows from a Louisville Slugger rained down on his head, Dr. William Petit awoke in a house of horrors — his own.



His wife and their two daughters were right upstairs in the Connecticut house, and things would only get worse.



Two lowlife thugs held the Petits hostage for seven terrifying hours. The doctor’s wife was raped, his youngest daughter sexually assaulted, and their house set afire.



Only Petit escaped with his life.



It was close to 10 a.m. on a rainy summer morning when Petit finally escaped and rolled, with his ankles still bound, into a neighbor’s driveway. He banged on the garage door.



Dave Simcik looked down on the bloody, beaten man at his feet, but didn’t recognize Petit. Soon enough, the cops were on top of the doctor with their guns drawn.



“The girls!” Petit howled. “The girls are in the house!”



Petit had fallen asleep on the sunroom couch the previous night. His wife, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, had multiple sclerosis and usually went to bed early. Petit, to avoid disturbing her, would often sleep on the sofa.



The baseball bat attack roused the doctor from his slumber sometime between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m. Blood was pouring over his eyes — Petit was on a blood thinner for a heart condition — but he noticed one of his two assailants was carrying what looked like a 9-mm. handgun.



The pair bound his ankles and wrists with plastic ties pulled so tight they cut into his flesh, all the while demanding to know where the safe was.



So you're saying after their day in court, and the many, many appeals to follow. The execution of these two thugs is the same as what they did to this family? I don't think so, your definition of murder is much different than mine. If you had no religion, would you still think the same? Almost every war in this world, was started in one form or another because of religion.

Originally Posted by Edjkoz (Post 1385861)

I'm sure they made sure their victim should were comfortable before they killed them. Sorry, I have no compassion for animals like this

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1386197)

Capital punishment in my view is a matter best handled by those who would be most objective.

There is a difference between emotional empathy vis a vis cognitive empathy the latter preference for such decisions.

Also capital crimes or more to the point the circumstance surrounding them deserve individual consideration.

While victims families should have input initially they should not have lifetime access because in my view it negates all that a person does toward rehabilitation. Not all people entering prison are career criminals many have committed one crime, perhaps out of passion/

Yes, some deserve the death penalty and it should be carried out in a reasonable period of time and as humane a manner as possible

Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1386267)

Our TV is on Directv channel 285 almost all the time, that's the ID channel, Investigation Discovery. Before that we were regular viewers of Courtv for a dozen years, especially with our homebased business it played all day in our house.

In all these years of watching I can't even begin to estimate the number of times defendants have taken a plea bargain of life in prison to avoid the death penalty. Can you imagine if we didn't have this bargaining chip how many criminals would be back on the streets. How much our courts would be clogged with hundreds of more trials every year, capital trial which take up much more manpower and money.

As as far the those who don't like the death penalty and think it's barbaric. I only wish you and those like you thought as much about the victims as you do about the criminals. The loss forever of the loved ones and the pain and suffering by their family and friends by this slime doesn't deserve a second of empathy.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386169)

It's human nature wanting to avenge a heinous crime using capital punishment as a tool for the state. I cannot imagine the pain and suffering this family went through. But I do know this. Institutionized capital murder will not bring the victims back nor will it alleviate the nightmares and daily horrors that the survivors surely experience day after day. So tell me, what will state sanctioned executions actually accomplish? It has been proven that in no way does it PREVENT crimes like this from occurring by other perpetrators nor does it allow our society to progress to a higher level.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1386202)

I do not believe rehabilitation really applies of these people are on death row.

I changed the name of the first man convicted of raping his wife in MN when I was a Student Attorney. The judge brought me into her office and chewed me out for helping this man. My duty though was to anyone who I got assigned as a client by the managing Lawyers at Legal Assistance to MN Prisoners. The ex-wife by law would have received immediate notice of this man's name change as well. Even some of the people in the legal community have the utmost contempt for some of those convicted of crimes and with cases like Casey Anthony for those accused as well. I really did not like this convicted rapist either but I did what the law required for him. I hope this is not violating any lawyer-client privilege as I am not sharing anything that would not be public record. My name would be on these court papers and the man did have his name changed. And no I do not actually remember what it was. Just how peeved the Judge and her workers were that I was doing this for him.

Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1386393)

And if it were your family how would you feel?


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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1386412)

I wasn't speaking of people already sentence to death and on death row';albeit one could make an argument even there given the number of cases found to be a result of poor investigation, etc.

Killing another person is unthinkable. However the circumstances surrounding each death deserves individual consideration. compare a person who rapes a child then murders her to an habitual drunk who kills a person because of a DUI. What about a guy in a fight that has the bad luck to have hit a guy who strikes hi head on....and dies

One act because of an emotional outburst or under the influence with no previous criminal history may merit an opportunity for attonement rehabilitation.

to suggest that murder is murder and all murders deserve the same punishment is too absolute.

While it is another argument one needs to ask what should the purpose for imprisonment? punishment only, confinement only rehabilitation

Again there re capital crimes in my view given the circumstances surround them that capital punishment should be administered

Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1386393)

And if it were your family how would you feel?


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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386454)

My feelings are not relevant. State ordered execution is legal premeditated murder...

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386454)

My feelings are not relevant. State ordered execution is legal premeditated murder. Innocent people have been released from death row when new evidence has been presented. Innocent people have been released from prison when new evidence has been presented. Since the 70's many possibly innocent people have been executed. Typically new evidence is submitted but not looked at after the execution because the defendant is dead.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1386413)

Depends on whom it was really. Some of my family I have not seen in fifty years; others I see daily. Some of my friends would mean a lot more to me than some family members if I lost them to some murderer, AIDS, cancer, suicide, alcohol abuse, a car wreck, etc.

I watched the Polly Klaas case when we lived near by and wondered for instance just how good a relationship some of the people capitalizing on that case had with Polly. And I do not mean Winona Ryder who seemed to really want to help the community. I mean someone cashing in on the tragedy for all it was worth. Some who could have cared less about victims before this happened but who suddenly is on every channel.

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1386478)

Rev Al Sharpton comes to mind.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386454)

My feelings are not relevant. State ordered execution is legal premeditated murder. Innocent people have been released from death row when new evidence has been presented. Innocent people have been released from prison when new evidence has been presented. Since the 70's many possibly innocent people have been executed. Typically new evidence is submitted but not looked at after the execution because the defendant is dead.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1386520)

Exactly.



I wish those who are so gung-ho about capital punishment, would just drop the pretense that is about 'justice'...when it is actually simply 'revenge.'



It really boils down to those of us who believe even one innocent person executed is one too many...and others who think it's just a 'cost of doing business.'



The fact that life without a chance of parole serves the same purpose and the fact that due to the legal appeals process for capital cases, executing them actually costs more than life without...proves that it is about revenge. :shrug:





Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

Originally Posted by bbbbbb (Post 1386530)

Hi, here is a thought on that. It seems there is repeated discussions and anomalies associated with the drugs used during an execution, it is too weak or too strong or not available or not approved, who knows?
The Mormons have it right on this one. About 1979 (+/-) they did Gary Gilmore in with a firing squad. The Sheriff in Salt Lake City put the word out that he wanted volunteers for that event. Well, on the day of the event, there was a line of volunteers in Salt Lake about a block long, all with their .30 cal rifles and ammo, ready to go. It was over in about 20 minutes, no problems, no lack of supplies to do the job. Painless, since the bullets are moving faster than the speed of sound Gary did not hear a thing. Sure there are the few who will take a shot at this, criticizing. Well, it is a fact, so I prefer not to hear from the opposition and will not respond.
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Originally Posted by bbbbbb (Post 1386530)

Hi, here is a thought on that. It seems there is repeated discussions and anomalies associated with the drugs used during an execution, it is too weak or too strong or not available or not approved, who knows?
The Mormons have it right on this one. About 1979 (+/-) they did Gary Gilmore in with a firing squad. The Sheriff in Salt Lake City put the word out that he wanted volunteers for that event. Well, on the day of the event, there was a line of volunteers in Salt Lake about a block long, all with their .30 cal rifles and ammo, ready to go. It was over in about 20 minutes, no problems, no lack of supplies to do the job. Painless, since the bullets are moving faster than the speed of sound Gary did not hear a thing. Sure there are the few who will take a shot at this, criticizing. Well, it is a fact, so I prefer not to hear from the opposition and will not respond.
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1386566)

Execution by firing squad - Wikipedia



It is probably more humane than lethal injection in Arkansas right now.

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1386568)

Try it, let us know. Really ?

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1386569)

Makes no sense?

Topic started by me is Arkansas executions of seven people in next two weeks or so.

Firing squads are not legal in Arkansas as a method of execution as far as I know. Arkansas lawmaker will propose execution by firing squad - Washington Times

Methods of Execution | Death Penalty Information Center

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1386566)

Execution by firing squad - Wikipedia

It is probably more humane than lethal injection in Arkansas right now.