Another "Good Guy With A Gun"
 

An old man walking home from Easter dinner with his family was randomly executed by a citizen with a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Up until then he was what the NRA would call one of the "good guys" with a gun. We cannot let the ability to maintain a body temperature of around 98 degrees be the only condition for being allowed to own and carry a deadly weapon. Collectively as gun owners we need to use our own brains instead of letting Wayne Lappiere, whom I personally think is an extremely overcompensated wing nut, do our thinking for us. As pro gun legislation rules the day violent crime increases proportionally. Although guns create jobs in emergency medicine, funeral industries, prisons, etc., I think on balance they are not really a plus. IMHO

I guess if he didn't have a gun it would be impossible for him to kill that man.

I don't see a link to a news article. No mention of where this took place or what year it might have happened...is this your account of what happened?



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Look me straight in the eye and tell me you own a gun.

I thought not.

I don't either, but I do support the second amendment rights and if people keep killing older adults, it may level the playing field to own one. Don't close any doors.

Gracealee Gantner

If you are talking about the killing captured on Facebook that man looks quite angry, disturbed, etc. Not a good man at all.

And I have owned guns of various types in the past. I may or may not be armed now.

Now that is tempting...somebody talk the wackadoodle off the ledge before he falls on someone else and hurts them.

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Stop acting like some high school punk.

Doing away with guns does not do away with crazy. If you are scared of guns, then don't purchase one. No one is forcing you to have a gun. Obama IS forcing you to own health insurance. Interesting correlation, huh?

You are probably incorrect with your assumptions. Believe or not you can be a firearm owner and disagree with NRA and even interpretation of 2nd amendment. The way things are progressing carrying a concealed firearm will not be much help as you will be dead before you get a chance to get it out of your holster. The criminal element has a big advantage, they can shoot without thought or hesitation where as the "good guy needs to be sure". No way you can win that contest. Even with a gun in my waistband there are many places I would not go in this state and they are on the rise. Do we need more handguns in Florida? I think not.

I am not following you. Make up your mind either you support legal firearm ownership or you don't. I think you are silly thinking you should be the only person allowed with a gun in your waistband...Maybe you need to get a G2 holster!

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If you walk around in a daze, yes you could get shot before drawing your gun. People like that probably shouldn't attempt to carry one anyway. Just saying. With your attitude, how do you survive outside your home? You sound defeated before you even get out of bed in the morning. I carry concealed to protect my family. I'll also protect yours if you can't and I am at the right place when needed. Cops can't be there to protect you. They take reports AFTER the crime is committed. A good, armed citizen may be there. Out of the millions of guns owned, there is a very small percentage of them owned by the bad guy. But, I can't convince anyone that guns are just tools, like I like to think of them. Someone once asked me why I have been carrying a gun for almost 50 years without ever needing to use it. I have never needed to use my seat belt either, but I use it. I have never needed my helmet when I ride my motorcycle, but I wear it. Hopefully, I will never use my pistol or rifles for anything other than target shooting. But, I do hope that I am there for your family IF they need someone to protect them.

Some of these so-called grown men sure are juvenile. Dirtbanker's quote was being criticized. I 'd say junior high school.

Seeing you prefer personnal attack instead of discussion let me say it a little slower for you, I support gun ownership I just don't support the the ease in which anyone can get a handgun. Why can we not have a logical discussion about the old west mentality that is overtaking the country. I suspect by the sounds of your post you pride yourself as being a Clint Eastwood type but might actually be closer to Barney Fife. Let me guess, you get your information from Fox News, voted for Trump, and have an 8x10" glossy of Sean Hannity mounted in a prominent place in your home. Actually this is much easier than intelligent discussion, thanks for lesson. Just saying.

Are you serious? One incident and you come to this conclusion? How about the fact that places like Chicago, New Orleans and Detroit have the most anti gun laws in this country and yet have the most shootings and gun crimes.

You have found one incident where a CC permit holder has committed a crime with his gun. How about the millions of gun crimes that have been committed with illegal guns in gun free zones?

We also know that the shooter is a Case Manager at a Children’s Behavioral Health Agency. Does that mean that we should fear all social workers?

He is also a Black man. Does that mean that every Black man is a killer?

This one incident where a CC permit holder has done something crazy. If he didn't have a gun he might have run someone down with his car. Maybe we should be giving out fewer drivers licenses.

If you want to bother to look it up, I believe that you'll find that the cities that have the most stringent anti gun legislation also have the most gun crimes. You'll also find that most shootings occur in gun free zones where the shooter knows there is little chance of someone returning fire.

Let me guess...you're afraid to go to black/brown majority places? Why don't we SOLVE that problem? Or are we going to let the slums grow and grow?

Not true...millions and millions of guns are in the inner cities where MOST of the shootings/killings occur.

What old west mentality? Blacks and Hispanics shoot/kill MORE...MUCH more...than whites. THEY have the "old west" mentality.

Because the inner cities are FULL of violent minorities with LOTS of weapons.

Isn't it funny how they IGNORE the violence perpetrated by the minorities.

MANY are...blacks are up to 10X MORE violent than whites. The gun violence problem...the violence problem itself...is a problem with blacks/Hispanics...NOT white people. White people live in places like the villages...minorities live in slums...not JUST here in America...but EVERYWHERE in the world.

To the illegals and those who are too stupid to drive...mostly minorities.

IF you look it up...you'll also find that minorities are up to 10X more violent than white people. Minorities NEVER make places like the villages...they make slums...always.

Exactly! All of those anti gun laws do not prevent bad people from getting guns. What they do is make it difficult for good people to get guns as a way to defend themselves. They also alert bad people with guns that there is less of a treat of someone shooting back.

If you bother to look, you might find that places that have concealed carry ad open carry have fewer shootings.

You can say it as slow as you want, or as fast as you want, it wont change the hypocrisy...you have decided it is OK for you to obtain a firearm, but complain it should be more difficult for others. There are registration forms, background checks, FLLs, and waiting periods...nothing more is needed. It is currently easier for a nutjob to rent an RV and drive it into a crowded mall, killing many, than to legally purchase a firearm.

I only have 8" x 10" glossy of my wife, my daughter, my son, and ME (there might be one of our German Shorthair Pointer too). I do pride myself on my ability with a firearm. If you want to challenge yourself, there is more to do than walk around with a gun stuffed in your belt;
National Long Range Competitive Shooting - YouTube

I have no idea where you get your news from as they do not state where events took place or what date they happened on...you might want to give fox news a try!

Your welcome for the lesson...I assume you are speaking of the G2 holster.

If you bother to look...you'll also find that MINORITIES are up to 10X more violent than white people...and white places are MUCH safer for EVERYONE than minority majority places.

Put the BLAME where is needs to be...with THEM...the minorities.

Want to cut gun violence by 80%? Want to cut ALL violence by 80%? Ban black/Hispanics completely.

The 99% white villages is orders of magnitude safer than ANY 99% black/Hispanic place.

Why? Because we're NOT the same...we're NOT the same species. We're dogs vs wolves.

It's SO much more than just skin color...it's ALL the difference below that skin too. We ARE different species...we are NOT the same...we don't look the same...we don't think the same...we don't act the same...we are NOT the same.

How many African-Americans do you actually know Don Baldwin?

No, you distorted what I said. I said that the majority of guns in America are owned by good, decent people. I did not say anything about all the guns that are owned by scumbags in the ghetto that kill people on a daily basis. There are more guns owned by good people than bad. The abundance of killings that occur in the inner cities are located in areas where there are STRICT gun laws making it difficult if not impossible for decent folks to purchase or own firearms.

Like I said before, if you don't like guns, then don't buy one. Don't ban them because you don't like them. No one is forcing anyone to purchase a firearm. Just like no one is forcing someone to read these posts and reply to them. People on here want to ban someone because they do not agree with them, instead of just not logging onto this forum.

Wackadoodle continually asks the obvious... Don knows more African Americans than he wants to...

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The better question is how many HAVE I known...far too many...not ONE really impressed me...OK...ONE did, a guy from St Lucia, he had a thirst for knowledge, mellow, did his work well...but STILL not an "equal" to many of the whites. He impressed me with his character, his drive...not because he was the smartest...he wasn't.

The rest? As worthless as a dead dog. ALWAYS the problem children.

And I sad the inner cities are FULL of guns. Which they are. Almost EVERYONE living in the inner cities has a gun. 10 y/olds have their own gun. EVERY teen has one. There are millions and millions of guns in those inner cities. And they USE them...daily.

The MAJORITY of shooting occur where there is an abundance of MINORITIES!

ONE is too many. I'm seeing more and more of them these days...I cringe when I see them. The idyllic days of the villages may be coming to a close. They ALWAYS bring their BS with them.

ONLY mostly white places are idyllic...disagree? Find me one that isn't.

Diversity destroys and it'll eventually destroy the villages too...because they've made it illegal to keep them out. Keep those prices HIGH!!! Price them out if you can't keep them out any other way.

I knew a woman at the Minneapolis Public Library, Renee, who probably sent me the nicest letter I have ever received. She was the Reference Librarian for the History and Travel Department. A very nice smart African American woman. Really classy lady.

Did you happen to visit the Minneapolis black slums? How about the "ladies" there? How would you compare THEM to the white women you've known?

STOP bringing up the 1%...I know there are a few blacks who are OK...they are the extreme of the bell curve.

DO bring up the 99%...the ones who live like the animals they are in the inner city slums...the black part of any town.

Do you want THEM integrating with us?

I lived on Franklin Avenue or near there the Summer of 1988. Across the street from a park where there were often drug deals at night as well as gun shots every once in a while. My mail got ransacked every so often along with that of my African-American "friend" Orlando H. Orlando turned out to be a racist against whites and something of a man who assaulted both members of both sexes. I put him out on the balcony one night when he made an unwanted pass at me after he came back earlier than he said he would and needed a bed. He wanted the bed with me in it. He had pulled a similar stunt on a 1st year Law Student who dropped out of Law School because she did not want to deal with Orlando H. This was Debbie H. I am Jon H., so I had been sitting next to these two in some of the first year law school classes. Distanced myself from Orlando that Third Year of law school as much as possible but it was difficult as he ran the Computer Room where we needed to type and print out or papers and such and this man would often ask me "When am I going to meet the parents?"

One bad apple though does not spoil the bunch. Orlando H. was a racist and a sexual assaulter. I knew a man named Will G., also an African American at the U of MN Law School who helped me deal with Orlando. And then there was Sandra also an African American but she seemed to have been poisoned by whatever Orlando H., had said about me. Not many African-Americans there at the U of MN Law School when I was there from 1986-late 1991.

And we could not go to the authorities with any accusations against Orlando H., because there was no evidence just "he said, he said" in my case or "He said, she said" in Debbie H.'s case.

Drug deals, gun shots, mail ransacked...by BLACK people.

They're ALL racist against whites...they hate us because they are so much below us. They don't think it's fair we're born with WHITE PRIVILEGE. We are BORN so much smarter and more able than they are...they HATE us for it.

How about 99% of them are bad apples? Have you gone into the black inner cities lately? It's like being thrown onto a zoo...a war zone...h3ll.

Sounds kind of racist to me. Telling us that you knew a "nice smart" black woman with "class" seems to indicate that you find that exceptional. Kind of like saying you have some "black friends" that are not dope heads or criminals. Condescending is just as bad as being a racist.

We all do it. Making a racist comment does not necessarily make one a racist. I have been called a racist on here and laugh. I have a multi-Ethnic family, so people that make blanket statements regarding racism or bigotry without knowing the facts, are just ignorant. I do not argue the issue with Don because he has his facts to back him up, whereas many only have emotion.

Because it IS exceptional.

My condolences...bet you wish she made a different decision...that she didn't marry a black guy. I "know" it's not a healthy marriage...no inter-species marriage is good...we're too different.

I feel like crying for those nice white grandfathers TRYING to cope with their mulatto mixed species grandchild. Knowing that their genetic line is broken.

"Interracial marriages have a 41 percent chance of swirling out of control. Compare this to a 31 percent chance of divorce among same-race couples."

"In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner."

"White wife/Black husband marriages show twice the divorce rate of White wife/White husband couples by the 10th year of marriage"

Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

Inter-species marriage is NOT good.

There you go, presuming again. I did NOT say that any of my children married another ethnicity. They didn't.

Species. I have read your theories about the origin of humanoids and homosapiens. Many scientists do believe that evolution is continuing. This is lifted from Wikipedia...Human Evolution..for the sake of brevity.

"Recent and current human evolution[edit]
Natural selection still affects modern human populations. For example, the population at risk of the severe debilitating disease kuru has significant over-representation of an immune variant of the prion protein gene G127V versus non-immune alleles. The frequency of this genetic variant is due to the survival of immune persons.[192][193] Other reported trends appear to include lengthening of the human reproductive period and reduction in cholesterol levels, blood glucose and blood pressure in some populations .[194]
It has been argued that human evolution has accelerated since the development of agriculture 10,000 years ago and civilization some 5,000 years ago, resulting, it is claimed, in substantial genetic differences between different current human populations.[195] Lactase persistence is an example of such recent evolution. Recent human evolution seems to have been largely confined to genetic resistance to infectious disease that has appeared in human populations by crossing the species barrier from domesticated animals.[196]
It is a common misconception that humans have stopped evolving and current genetic changes are purely genetic drift. Although selection pressure on some traits, such as resistance to smallpox, has decreased in modern human life, humans are still undergoing natural selection for many other traits. For instance, menopause is evolving to occur later.[194]


Species list[edit]
This list is in chronological order across the table by genus. Some species/subspecies names are well-established, and some are less established – especially in genus Homo. Please see articles for more information.
Sahelanthropus
Homo (human)
S. tchadensis
H. gautengensis
Orrorin
H. habilis
O. tugenensis
H. rudolfensis
Ardipithecus
H. floresiensis
A. kadabba
H. ergaster
A. ramidus
H. georgicus
Australopithecus
H. erectus
A. anamensis
H. cepranensis
A. afarensis
H. antecessor
A. bahrelghazali*
H. heidelbergensis
A. africanus
H. rhodesiensis
A. garhi
H. naledi
A. sediba
H. helmei
Kenyanthropus
H. neanderthalensis
K. platyops
H. (undetermined)
Paranthropus
H. sapiens
P. aethiopicus
• H. sapiens idaltu
P. boisei
• H. sapiens (archaic)
P. robustus
• H. sapiens sapiens (early)
*
• H. sapiens denisova
*
• H. (undetermined)
*
• H. sapiens sapiens (modern)
See also[edit]"

I think that your idea of species intermarrying being bad is quite possibly wrong. It would be good to have strong and positive factors of all humans to evolve. I would like to have qualities that I see that are stellar in all races to be present in the future of mankind.

Anyway..it is incorrect to use the word species instead of race. Humans are all homosapiens. Homosapiens is a SPECIES. Kingdom, phylum, subphylum, class, order, genus, species....We evolved from animals. Sometimes we act like it a lot.

NO Gracie...we ARE different species...POLITICS makes them name us ALL humans. We are VERY different and WOULD be different species IF politics wasn't involved.

Can you imagine what would happen the day they named blacks a different species? THAT is WHY we are all falsely classified as "humans".

Arguing with you is a waste of time
 

First of all owning a gun is FREEDOM of choice. You have the right not to own one.

Secondly, you can buy everything you need to make a gun in your local box store-Sears, Target, Home Depo.

For your CHOICE that You have made. Perhaps, you can reason with someone in your home looking to hurt your family.

New York where we are from has had the tightest gun controls for the longest time in this nation. THEY ALSO HAVE AMONG THE HIGHEST RATES OF SHOOTINGS.

What a twist of the words I posted. More ****. Is everything about Trump with you creeps?

I have a wing of my family which is African-American. My sister-in-law of my late brother is from Jamaica. I have probably a few hundred African-American relatives. I only met maybe 50 of them.

You are behind Bud. You oughta see what they are learning in genetics classes these days.

You have to pay attention and get the whole picture before you can spout glittering generalities. I am not an academic elitist but some things ARE Science, not politics and opinion.

The man is dead. Pulled over in Erie Pa. Killed himself.

End of story.

Sad that nice old man was killed. He was much loved by his large family.

That is sad. I wish that that the victim's family would have had a trial of this warped shooter.

Good for you, Tal. And let me add that you are so full of S**t that your eyes are brown....:a20:

Oops, is that racist?

Great! At least he did a bit of good by saving the taxpayer the expense of an expensive trial and housing his pitiful @ss.

I'm sure that tomorrow's NYT will say:
Man forced to shoot himself due to police harassment, when they chased him through several states, after a misunderstanding. The cause will be racism. The man obviously had his hands in the air when he accidentally shot and killed himself.

BECAUSE they have lots of black people who like to shoot each other.

Take away the minorities and our national statistics improve exponentially.

Well lets see it Gracie...lets see what they're learning...what's the latest political correct propaganda coming from the schools? Enlighten me...enlighten us.

I know one thing they SHOULD be learning...EVERYONE but the Negros have Neanderthal DNA. And EVERYONE is leaps and bounds ABOVE the Negros.

STEM is not politics and propaganda. ALL the humanities, psychology, sociology, etc., are ALL politics and propaganda.

Biology is political too because they refuse to classify the various Hominoid species accurately.

PROVE me wrong Gracie...don't just SAY I am.

You show me the genetic makeup of the prototypical white and black and there will be literally thousands of differences.

When it comes to race and racial differences, science can't be trusted. They removed homosexuality as a disorder...they have no problem lying about the races.

You want to know MY proof?

Go to the white part of ANY city...go to the same cities black/Hispanic part of town...which would you choose to live in? Go to ANOTHER city...do the same thing...which would you choose? Go to ANOTHER city...do it again.

EVERY time you try that "experiment" you'll arrive at the SAME conclusion...the black part of town sucks and the white part is nice.

My question to you is WHY...WHY is the black part of town ALWAYS sh!tty? WHY is the white part of town ALWAYS nice? Explain it. Explain that this same experiment proves true EVERYWHERE. It doesn't matter the country, the part of the world...EVERYWHERE blacks live...sucks...and I'd like to know why.

You idiot...if she is from Jamaica, she is not African American.

And idiot...she is not related to you by blood either (hence the term "in-law") so you can take off the Leopard print loin cloth and stop waving at black strangers you thought were family.

What school did you graduate from, never mind, I don't care!



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