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graciegirl 04-25-2017 11:38 AM

The left is saying that Flynn may have broken the law.
 
How?

Please explain briefly without emotion and disparaging comments.

cologal 04-25-2017 12:27 PM

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How?

Please explain briefly without emotion and disparaging comments.

Apparently he took trips to foreign country's without permission and accepted money without reporting it.


House oversight panel: No sign Flynn complied with the law - CNNPolitics.com

autumnspring 04-25-2017 12:49 PM

Who are you kidding
 
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How?

Please explain briefly without emotion and disparaging comments.

YUP-you do need a coloring book.
FYI-Russian dressing was invented in the US.
Wow there goes your hole case.

Villagesperson 04-25-2017 12:52 PM

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How?

Please explain briefly without emotion and disparaging comments.

From the AP

"Reps. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, and Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said Flynn could be criminally prosecuted because, as a former Army officer, he was barred from accepting the foreign payments. Flynn, who headed the military's top intelligence agency, is a retired lieutenant general and was Trump's national security adviser until he was fired.
"That money needs to be recovered," said Republican Chaffetz, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. "You simply cannot take money from Russia, Turkey or anybody else."

wjboyer1 04-25-2017 11:38 PM

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How?

Please explain briefly without emotion and disparaging comments.

Actually, the House Oversight Committee has said that Flynn violated the law, not the "left"......Michael Flynn May Have Broken The Law In Taking Russian Payments, Lawmakers Say : The Two-Way : NPR

rubicon 04-26-2017 04:13 AM

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Actually, the House Oversight Committee has said that Flynn violated the law, not the "left"......Michael Flynn May Have Broken The Law In Taking Russian Payments, Lawmakers Say : The Two-Way : NPR

If the allegations against Michael Flynn are proven true and factual, and not just political fodder than he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law because this is a nation based on "Rule of Law"

If the allegation against Hillary Rodham Clinton are proven true and factual, and not political fodder than she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law because this is a nation based on "Rule of Law"
Wait she is a progressive and we have learned that progressives are above the law.

So given the exception rule for progressives how does one separate substantive fact vis a vis political fodder?

Personal Best Regards:

Taltarzac725 04-26-2017 06:33 AM

So is the right. And the center.

Cedwards38 04-26-2017 07:22 AM

Specifically, Jason Chaffetz, Republican Chair of the House Oversight Committee. And that's a fact, as opposed to an "alternative fact." You simply can't blame everything on "the left" or "the media."

Taltarzac725 04-26-2017 07:23 AM

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Specifically, Jason Chaffetz, Republican Chair of the House Oversight Committee. And that's a fact, as opposed to an "alternative fact." You simply can't blame everything on "the left" or "the media."

Saw that on the news. Good for him. A politician actually doing his job according to the values of the US Constitution.

graciegirl 04-26-2017 07:28 AM

It was a dumb original post. Don't look. It is me, Grace Gantner, I posted it. BUT

Why did Flynn take money? Why did Hillary take money from Russia? It all seems dirty taking money from another country.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 07:47 AM

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It was a dumb original post. Don't look. It is me, Grace Gantner, I posted it. BUT

Why did Flynn take money? Why did Hillary take money from Russia? It all seems dirty taking money from another country.

The question IS where did you get the information that prompted your OP ? That is pretty important, it seems.

The Clinton Russia thing has been discussed ad nauseum...check or google, politifact or just about anywhere.

graciegirl 04-26-2017 07:58 AM

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The question IS where did you get the information that prompted your OP ? That is pretty important, it seems.

The Clinton Russia thing has been discussed ad nauseum...check or google, politifact or just about anywhere.

Bucco. It doesn't keep you from posting Trump lies all of the time?

Where did it come from? The News that is posted on my MSN page every day. I probably saw it, and made a mental note it was one of the ones that always is left. Washington Post, Etc.

Taltarzac725 04-26-2017 08:14 AM

Lawmakers suggest former Trump aide Flynn broke US law | Fox News

Trump does lie very often. But back to the subject. A link from Fox News.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 10:11 AM

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Bucco. It doesn't keep you from posting Trump lies all of the time?

Where did it come from? The News that is posted on my MSN page every day. I probably saw it, and made a mental note it was one of the ones that always is left. Washington Post, Etc.

I am confused.

You said that Trump does not lie on another thread that I just responded to with a few of the Presidential lies he has told.

I have yet to see a news site say that "the left" or "the right" did anything. Most headlines like that are from the extremist sites and a search for that revealed nothing.

Just curious where that thought even came from, since the press conference about it was about as non political as you can have one.

ps....I am sorry for posting Trump's lies. I WISH with all my heart that we did not have a President that required various web sites simply to list and chronicle his lies but alas....we have one now.

But you pretty much pass that off as "Trump derangement syndrome". Amazing how that term is used when confronted with even TRUTH. Just fluff off the lies is not going to hold water

graciegirl 04-26-2017 10:26 AM

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I am confused.

You said that Trump does not lie on another thread that I just responded to with a few of the Presidential lies he has told.

I have yet to see a news site say that "the left" or "the right" did anything. Most headlines like that are from the extremist sites and a search for that revealed nothing.

Just curious where that thought even came from, since the press conference about it was about as non political as you can have one.

ps....I am sorry for posting Trump's lies. I WISH with all my heart that we did not have a President that required various web sites simply to list and chronicle his lies but alas....we have one now.

But you pretty much pass that off as "Trump derangement syndrome". Amazing how that term is used when confronted with even TRUTH. Just fluff off the lies is not going to hold water

You have be confused with Rubicon. He uses that term. You see what you want to see. I say I am living in the reality of not having Clinton or Obama or some very religious person or some very not religious person. I am embarrassed of Trump but he is doing o.k. as far as what I want to happen...except that the things I want to happen aren't happening because of the left again.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 10:34 AM

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You have be confused with Rubicon. He uses that term. You see what you want to see. I say I am living in the reality of not having Clinton or Obama or some very religious person or some very not religious person. I am embarrassed of Trump but he is doing o.k. as far as what I want to happen...except that the things I want to happen aren't happening because of the left again.

I repeat what you posted....

"You see what you want to see"

The things you want are not be stopped by the left,or anybody.

Our President stops himself at every turn.

Someday explain to us how he is "doing ok". That might be interesting to hear

graciegirl 04-26-2017 10:40 AM

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I repeat what you posted....

"You see what you want to see"

The things you want are not be stopped by the left,or anybody.

Our President stops himself at every turn.

Someday explain to us how he is "doing ok". That might be interesting to hear

That is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I am annoyed about everyday, often embarrassed by our president but I am NOT depressed like I was with Obama...feeling that no one had any sense at all anymore and we were looking to see just who the tiniest minority was so we could build bathrooms for them. I am not a hater. I just get really sad when people can't seem to get we don't live in this world alone and we need to follow the rules and overlook some differences if we can. I like the majority rules stuff as long as no one is hurt badly or harmed. When either side in power is too far out there, I could bite. A little poor reading and unpolitical behavior and ignorance is better than an agenda that doesn't benefit most of us. That doesn't recognize real danger, that doesn't care what the majority think.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 11:01 AM

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That is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I am annoyed about everyday, often embarrassed by our president but I am NOT depressed like I was with Obama...feeling that no one had any sense at all anymore and we were looking to see just who the tiniest minority was so we could build bathrooms for them. I am not a hater. I just get really sad when people can't seem to get we don't live in this world alone and we need to follow the rules and overlook some differences if we can. I like the majority rules stuff as long as no one is hurt badly or harmed. When either side in power is too far out there, I could bite. A little poor reading and unpolitical behavior and ignorance is better than an agenda that doesn't benefit most of us. That doesn't recognize real danger, that doesn't care what the majority think.

I do not think you understand me at all.

I get you didn't care for Obama...neither did I in general on policies.

But to utilize that hate, distrust or whatever word you use to allow lying and deception from our President is simply unacceptable, and that is what you are doing.

Giving total blind loyalty to such a man is a VERY dangerous thing.

Defending his every word and action, blaming the left for EVERYTHIING is dangerous, and flies in the face totally of your wish for us to get together.

To me, you, Rubicon, or anyone can justify our President not telling the truth by saying at least it is not Obama. That is not only illogical, but extremely dangerous.

Failure to insist on honesty because it is not Obama is illogical and dangerous as well.

Our country is best served when we demand honest, and question everything, ESPECIALLY the basic honesty of our President.

This is not political anymore...I keep saying...the election is over. We already have at minimum, one leader (s Korea) questioning our President and wondering how to trust him.

I do not believe in blind and total loyalty to any ONE SINGLE person, yet....his problems being chalked off as a syndrome, or always someone else's fault is his hope, and you are fulfilling that wish

graciegirl 04-26-2017 11:04 AM

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I do not think you understand me at all.

I get you didn't care for Obama...neither did I in general on policies.

But to utilize that hate, distrust or whatever word you use to allow lying and deception from our President is simply unacceptable, and that is what you are doing.

Giving total blind loyalty to such a man is a VERY dangerous thing.

Defending his every word and action, blaming the left for EVERYTHIING is dangerous, and flies in the face totally of your wish for us to get together.

To me, you, Rubicon, or anyone can justify our President not telling the truth by saying at least it is not Obama. That is not only illogical, but extremely dangerous.

Failure to insist on honesty because it is not Obama is illogical and dangerous as well.

Our country is best served when we demand honest, and question everything, ESPECIALLY the basic honesty of our President.

This is not political anymore...I keep saying...the election is over. We already have at minimum, one leader (s Korea) questioning our President and wondering how to trust him.

I do not believe in blind and total loyalty to any ONE SINGLE person, yet....his problems being chalked off as a syndrome, or always someone else's fault is his hope, and you are fulfilling that wish

BLIND and total loyalty? Do you read anyone's posts?

LadyPenO 04-26-2017 11:15 AM

Hillary is a Democrat, worked for Obama, hence she was allowed to take money from Russia. Flynn is a Repulican, took money while working for Obama in 2015 and got away with it then, but didn't get away with it under Trump!! We can thank Trump for draining the swamp.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 01:41 PM

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Hillary is a Democrat, worked for Obama, hence she was allowed to take money from Russia. Flynn is a Repulican, took money while working for Obama in 2015 and got away with it then, but didn't get away with it under Trump!! We can thank Trump for draining the swamp.

Talk about taking 3 to 4 different stories, twisting them and then tying them together for some reason.

See, if you actually knew anything, you would know how totally and completely dumb what you typed really is.

I am defending nobody, nor taking a side, but all of what you say is different, and...well...you better read a bit because you are MORE than confused.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-26-2017 01:47 PM

There is an ongoing investigation into General Flynn's actions and the truth will eventually come out. Until then, I don't understand why people on that congressional committee come out with statements like this.

In any event what this demonstrates is that President Trump will not allow even a hint of impropriety in his administration. Once evidence was presented that Flynn might have broken the law and wasn't honest or complete int he information that he gave to Vice President Pence, he was dismissed. That's the way a president should handle things like this.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 01:49 PM

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BLIND and total loyalty? Do you read anyone's posts?

I do, and I see actual defense..fierce defense of his lies.

I hear his lying blamed on progressives or liberals.

I see factual reporting called fake or simply ignored.

I see defense of him telling a lie on somebody else, even if self induced, not motivating factor.

If you see someone else, never you at the root of continuing problems, do you not think you should look at yourself ?

History shows us a few nasty instances of blind loyalty.

Rockyrd 04-26-2017 01:52 PM

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There is an ongoing investigation into General Flynn's actions and the truth will eventually come out. Until then, I don't understand why people on that congressional committee come out with statements like this.

In any event what this demonstrates is that President Trump will not allow even a hint of impropriety in his administration. Once evidence was presented that Flynn might have broken the law and wasn't honest or complete int he information that he gave to Vice President Pence, he was dismissed. That's the way a president should handle things like this.

Reason is twofold.

The main reason, they are not getting any co operation from the WH.

They said, over and over, they are not accusing but are asking for the information that he did nothing wrong.

They feel, for sure, that evidence has to be available at the WH, which is who he worked for and had to satisfy their vetting.

Sort of explains why he is willing to deal for immunity.

Paper1 04-26-2017 03:45 PM

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It was a dumb original post. Don't look. It is me, Grace Gantner, I posted it. BUT

Why did Flynn take money? Why did Hillary take money from Russia? It all seems dirty taking money from another country.

It was not at all a dumb post but a question that really needs an answer although it is probably obvious.

wjboyer1 04-26-2017 11:02 PM

Flynn took money from both Russia and Turkey without disclosing it, by law. Therefore, he is in violation of the law and needs to be prosecuted.

Both Republican and Democratic senior members of the House committee said this, there is no "left" or "right" or "media"....there is just the facts

Any subversion or justification of that particular event is an "alternative" fact.

Those who blame Obama, or Clinton just try to change the subject.

Those who defend Trump's decision to make Flynn the National Security Advisor without appropriately vetting Flynn, are just plain stupid.

Trump, who defended Flynn, and made him NSA, is just plain stupid....

MDLNB 04-27-2017 03:57 AM

If Flynn broke any laws, the Republicans will treat him the same as they would if he was anyone else. Unlike the left, the right believes in justice to ALL, not just those that they don't like, or do not agree with them.


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