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champion6 05-06-2017 10:54 AM

TV Developer wants to build in south Leesburg
 
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Leesburg city commissioners are expected to decide on Monday whether to sell about 1,685 acres to the land-holding company of the massive Villages retirement development to build a new community.

Link to Orlando Sentinel: Villages wants to build new community in south Leesburg - Orlando Sentinel

Note: See Post #38 for a revised picture.

RedChariot 05-06-2017 12:53 PM

They (The Villages) will eventually own all of central Florida. Oh well. It's fun to watch it all unfold.

drcar 05-06-2017 01:26 PM

NOW that will be a LONG cart ride!!!!!

kansasr 05-06-2017 01:57 PM

This property in Lake County is contiguous with the developer's newly announced property that's in Sumter County north of the turnpike and south and west of CR468.....we will all be connected.

billethkid 05-06-2017 01:59 PM

Great opportunity for a mono rail transportation/sight see system.

karostay 05-06-2017 02:15 PM

Think it' time to get while the geten's good

RickeyD 05-06-2017 03:06 PM

Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.

manaboutown 05-06-2017 04:23 PM

The developers are clearly making a significant long term substantial commitment to further growth rather than selling out, walking away and going on to other ventures or retiring to easy lives. Good for them! They know the turf so to speak (pardon the pun).

Sashss 05-06-2017 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1395704)
Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.

Build golf courses near the turnpike. That will attract people passing by to come in and see what TV is all about.

SALYBOW 05-06-2017 08:19 PM

They better put in more town squares and through streets Morse and Buena :spoken:vista are already too crowded.

Allegiance 05-06-2017 08:26 PM

Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.

kcrazorbackfan 05-06-2017 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1395704)
Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.

Just speculation, but hopefully they'll use that property adjacent to the turnpike for new championship courses with a big berm separating it from the traffic noise like Summer Glen has.....

golf2140 05-06-2017 09:30 PM

Must give them credit by keeping the contractors working. A lot of companies have made good money !!!!!!

dotti105 05-06-2017 11:10 PM

This is a great opportunity for Leesburg as well as for The Villages. This will increase their tax base and hopefully bring more jobs to the area. This 3 county area is one of the poorest areas in Florida. The Villages has given the economy a huge boost and will continue to do so as long as they keep building homes. Sounds like a Win/Win for everyone.

TheDude 05-07-2017 12:36 AM

Most of us are in our home 16 hours+ a day. Enjoy the lifestyle, the people making money aren't going to do anything to take away their base. If we look good, they look good. I say build from west coast to the east as I welcome the long golf car rides to Tampa. Sorry electric carts.

John_W 05-07-2017 09:24 AM

I would be interested if they started building in the Tarpon Springs to New Port Richey area, but probably the prices would be out of my reach. I grew up in St. Petersburg and I always miss not being near the water.

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2BNTV 05-07-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1395792)
Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.

I remember when I first joined TOTV several years ago and some people expressed concern the developer would leave after build out and TV would become rundown.

Still waiting............... :smiley:

Most of us will be long gone when and if the developer ever decides to leave, or stop building. I am not holding my breath. :D

kansasr 05-07-2017 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dotti105 (Post 1395823)
This is a great opportunity for Leesburg as well as for The Villages. This will increase their tax base and hopefully bring more jobs to the area. This 3 county area is one of the poorest areas in Florida. The Villages has given the economy a huge boost and will continue to do so as long as they keep building homes. Sounds like a Win/Win for everyone.

Actually Lake is #24, Sumter #29 and Marion #36.....hardly the 3 poorest areas in Florida!

perrjojo 05-07-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1395962)
I remember when I first joined TOTV several years ago and some people expressed concern the developer would leave after build out and TV would become rundown.

Still waiting............... :smiley:

Most of us will be long gone when and if the developer ever decides to leave, or stop building. I am not holding my breath. :D

It's amazing, isn't it? Some complain the greedy developer keeps building more and others complain the greedy developer will take the money and run.

JP 05-07-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1395792)
Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.

Right on. Glad to see continued growth and development.

RickeyD 05-07-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1395792)
Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.



Your post is bittersweet, yes having the developer still around binds them to keeping things nice around here but I'm apprehensive as to what this will do to my house equity. Over saturation of housing is never a good thing for a variety of reasons plus the current buyers are mostly baby boomers, which will peak by 2027-2032. Who will buy into this paradise after that ? Defined benefit plans are almost obsolete, Social Security cash benefits will be reduced, service jobs are grabbing an ever increasing share of the job market, globalization will continue with an ever decreasing size of the American middle class.
As it is right now, my model home with a golf course view north of 466 can go for less than 350K. South of 466A its more like 475K plus. Same house, same city, same amenities, same everything AND the older model has more property, is closer to all shopping, and hooked to natural gas with CHEAPER TAXES. What accounts for this disparity ? Newer homes seemingly are more desirable and prices are driven up. Newcomers like the smell of new drywall/paint and that pioneer feeling of getting in on the proverbial ground floor.
The new development will do the same to those living north of SR44 what it has to those north of 466.
These are my thoughts.

Allegiance 05-07-2017 01:25 PM

All probably true, I guess I am a frog, not that interested in resale but like the stability of the developers being here.

RickeyD 05-07-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1396008)
All probably true, I guess I am a frog, not that interested in resale but like the stability of the developers being here.



I'm a frog as well. But, if I run out of money in 35 years it would be nice to draw from a reverse mortgage a higher payment because of higher equity. My only concern.

Mrs. Robinson 05-07-2017 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1395732)
The developers are clearly making a significant long term substantial commitment to further growth rather than selling out, walking away and going on to other ventures or retiring to easy lives. Good for them! They know the turf so to speak (pardon the pun).

I don't think that "selling out," "walking away," etc.,
has even been a thought that the developers ever entertained.

Bonnevie 05-07-2017 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1396004)
Your post is bittersweet, yes having the developer still around binds them to keeping things nice around here but I'm apprehensive as to what this will do to my house equity. Over saturation of housing is never a good thing for a variety of reasons plus the current buyers are mostly baby boomers, which will peak by 2027-2032. Who will buy into this paradise after that ? Defined benefit plans are almost obsolete, Social Security cash benefits will be reduced, service jobs are grabbing an ever increasing share of the job market, globalization will continue with an ever decreasing size of the American middle class.
As it is right now, my model home with a golf course view north of 466 can go for less than 350K. South of 466A its more like 475K plus. Same house, same city, same amenities, same everything AND the older model has more property, is closer to all shopping, and hooked to natural gas with CHEAPER TAXES. What accounts for this disparity ? Newer homes seemingly are more desirable and prices are driven up. Newcomers like the smell of new drywall/paint and that pioneer feeling of getting in on the proverbial ground floor.
The new development will do the same to those living north of SR44 what it has to those north of 466.
These are my thoughts.

This is exactly how I feel as well. It was actually one of the reasons I bought a lower priced villa. Any improvements I make are simply things I want, not in the hopes of future resale. I was wondering if Fenney and the future developments won't be marketed as the "new" Villages.


My villa will go to my son when I die and I expect most people's children will inherit. I'm hoping they'll want to keep it for their retirements and thus keep things up.

Mrs. Robinson 05-07-2017 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1395704)
Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.


The three determining factors for properties selling are price, location and condition. Price is always king and thousands of people already live adjacent to the Turnpike. Noise is usually minimal because of a wall and landscaping and not what you might think. In addition, while you may not have wildlife you will have privacy. Not everyone thinks the way you do and the houses built along a wall will sell.

Just a thought, but perhaps this is a community where there should be no age restriction. The Leesburg area is different from TV in all respects and perhaps by removing the 55+ age requirement, it will appeal to a larger audience. Not everything the developers build has to be an age restricted community.

thelegges 05-07-2017 04:56 PM

I highly doubt I'll be around in 35 years to see what the baby boomers going to do. As for my kids whatever they get out of the house is free money. I enjoy the moment not what's down the road and not going to worry about things I cannot change.

Mrs. Robinson 05-07-2017 05:05 PM

Ongoing Construction is Not Greed
 
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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1395985)
It's amazing, isn't it? Some complain the greedy developer keeps building more and others complain the greedy developer will take the money and run.

I have voiced my opinion many times regarding the greed of the developers, but it never had to do with the ongoing construction of new homes or the thought of them to stop building.

The greed is apparent in a number of other ways -- just not the growth of TV in neighboring areas.

John_W 05-07-2017 05:06 PM

I remember a post about 5 years ago when they crossed 466A. Someone asked when do you think they'll reach build out? A poster wrote, when they reach Orlando, that doesn't sound so impossible anymore.

billethkid 05-07-2017 05:52 PM

I wonder what the folks who lived north of 466 (not 466 A) .....all 30,000 plus of them.....thought when they saw the widening of 466 and the first traffic circles on Morse and Buena Vista and then Lake Sumter Landing and all the retail dining and shopping that started to arrive......and the significant increase in the prices of their homes.

Patio Villas for less than $100,000? Take your pick.

So those who have only arrived since the doubling of size of TV need to talk to those who have experienced it doubling......MORE THAN ONCE!!!

It has been nothing but good.

RickeyD 05-07-2017 05:53 PM

Looking at this months "The Villages Magazine" I noticed something small but I think significant. On the second page of the center circular shows a map of the Villages. The Brownwood area has been renamed Brownwood/Fenney.
Just an observation.

RickeyD 05-07-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1396093)


The three determining factors for properties selling are price, location and condition. Price is always king and thousands of people already live adjacent to the Turnpike. Noise is usually minimal because of a wall and landscaping and not what you might think. In addition, while you may not have wildlife you will have privacy. Not everyone thinks the way you do and the houses built along a wall will sell.



Just a thought, but perhaps this is a community where there should be no age restriction. The Leesberg area is different from TV in all respects and perhaps by removing the 55+ age requirement, it will appeal to a larger audience. Not everything the developers build has to be an age restricted community.



It would make a perfect bedroom community for those work commuting to/from the Orlando area.

justjim 05-07-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1396106)
Looking at this months "The Villages Magazine" I noticed something small but I think significant. On the second page of the center circular shows a map of the Villages. The Brownwood area has been renamed Brownwood/Fenney.
Just an observation.

The Village Developer has a large investment in Brownwood. In addition to keeping his key contractors working, (And I think they really do care about their employees) the building south of 44 protects the millions invested in Brownwood. :beer3:

Duppa 05-07-2017 06:37 PM

I admit, I'm scratching my head on this one... An allied TV-like community? Hmmm... if it's not golf-cart accessible between units (which is THE organizational rule of TV expansion) then is this purchase some sort of parallel TV universe, a same but different expansion? The greater minds of TV are up to something, and it must be something big?

Topspinmo 05-07-2017 08:28 PM

Some people like being on the dark side of the moon. Really no golden rule what makes the villages. If they sell, it worked.

TheDude 05-08-2017 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1396117)
The Village Developer has a large investment in Brownwood. In addition to keeping his key contractors working, (And I think they really do care about their employees) the building south of 44 protects the millions invested in Brownwood. :beer3:

When are the developers going to get interesting things in Brownwood. And I have been to all these places.

Movie theater is A+
City Fire is a C+
Dunkin does what it is suppose to do so B
Pet Store, A
Hair place, B
Nails C
Italian place, C
Wall of Beer C
German place C
Spice Store A-
Bike Store A-/B+
Ticket office A+
Brownwood Sales office: B
MVP (undecided)
Clothing Stores D
Tourist Stores D
McAllister's: A- Best in Brownwood to eat
Five Guys: C- good food, dirty place
TooJays: D
Cody's C
Med Supply story (closed)
Golf Cart Store: A
Insurance: A

Basically some great places, but BORING!!!!!

Step up the game

Bonus:
Market Saturday is an F
(the veggies and fruit sold aren't from farms of the sellers. Flies and bugs around the pasties and bread. One guy has a truck of rocks he sells (god bless him, nice rocks). Publix seems better.

dewilson58 05-09-2017 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1395985)
It's amazing, isn't it? Some complain the greedy developer keeps building more and others complain the greedy developer will take the money and run.

And the final group just complains to complain. What a sad life for those. When their glass gets 1/2 full, they should get a refill.

;)

champion6 05-09-2017 07:33 AM

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A picture from today's Daily Sun. The property is larger than what is shown in the picture on Post #1.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-09-2017 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1396117)
The Village Developer has a large investment in Brownwood. In addition to keeping his key contractors working, (And I think they really do care about their employees) the building south of 44 protects the millions invested in Brownwood. :beer3:

It never made sense to me that they built Brownwood on the very edge of The Villages. It seemed that you would a town square more centrally located. Now it will be.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-09-2017 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDude (Post 1396615)
When are the developers going to get interesting things in Brownwood. And I have been to all these places.

Movie theater is A+
City Fire is a C+
Dunkin does what it is suppose to do so B
Pet Store, A
Hair place, B
Nails C
Italian place, C
Wall of Beer C
German place C
Spice Store A-
Bike Store A-/B+
Ticket office A+
Brownwood Sales office: B
MVP (undecided)
Clothing Stores D
Tourist Stores D
McAllister's: A- Best in Brownwood to eat
Five Guys: C- good food, dirty place
TooJays: D
Cody's C
Med Supply story (closed)
Golf Cart Store: A
Insurance: A

Basically some great places, but BORING!!!!!

Step up the game

Bonus:
Market Saturday is an F
(the veggies and fruit sold aren't from farms of the sellers. Flies and bugs around the pasties and bread. One guy has a truck of rocks he sells (god bless him, nice rocks). Publix seems better.

I think that we're going to find that the businesses in the three town squares will be very similar. They are not meant to give variety to the residents but rather to have these businesses close to resdients.

In other words, residents of Fenny and Southern Oaks and whatever else is built south of 44 will not have to travel all the way to LSL to eat at Toojays.


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