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graciegirl 05-22-2017 09:39 PM

Thinking and caring about the people from Manchester.
 
So frightening and sad to hear of another terrorist attack.

Taltarzac725 05-22-2017 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1401820)
So frightening and sad to hear of another terrorist attack.

They have been going on since 1867. Terrorism in Europe - Wikipedia

Clerkenwell explosion - Wikipedia

2017 Manchester Arena incident - Wikipedia

graciegirl 05-22-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1401828)

The recent ones caused by Islamic Terrorists are the ones that worry most of us at this time.

NotGolfer 05-22-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1401828)

This doesn't make it any less horrific and tragic! Praying for their families and friends (and country as well)!!!

Taltarzac725 05-23-2017 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1401830)
This doesn't make it any less horrific and tragic! Praying for their families and friends (and country as well)!!!

Of course it does not mean it anything like that. Very scary indeed but man's inhumanity to man is nothing new. It is as old as the Old Testament or Homer's tales of the fall of Troy and its aftermath. The weapons have just become more and more destructive. I have a grand niece that is about the same age as many of the girls as at that Ariana Grande concert.

Schaumburger 05-23-2017 02:52 AM

Very sad
 
Most of Ariana Grande's fan base are teens and pre-teens, so imagine what the events of yesterday have done to their world view. :cry:

When I think about how much life has changed in the 40+ years since I was a teenager...I never worried about a classmate bringing a weapon to school and using it on the students. I never thought twice about going to a concert or sporting event and worrying about a suicide bomber wrecking havoc on attendees. A passenger could walk onto an airplane without going through security, etc., etc.

Thirty years from now when my 3 nieces are in their 40's and 50's, what will their world be like?

rubicon 05-23-2017 04:19 AM

Life Happens. Really!
 
Schamburger my thoughts also every time something like this happens.

I wonder why if our politicians, educators, law enforcement, clergy, parents, etc are doing so well then how is it then that schools have to have metal detectors, or that authorities admitted that the vast majority of working people would fail a drug test .

We have been living this awful way for so long, as reflect in our art entertainment and we have become accustom to it as being normal. And the saddest part about it all is that we are doing it to ourselves

Villager Joyce 05-23-2017 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1401843)
Schamburger my thoughts also every time something like this happens.

I wonder why if our politicians, educators, law enforcement, clergy, parents, etc are doing so well then how is it then that schools have to have metal detectors, or that authorities admitted that the vast majority of working people would fail a drug test .

We have been living this awful way for so long, as reflect in our art entertainment and we have become accustom to it as being normal. And the saddest part about it all is that we are doing it to ourselves

So true. You and Schamburger are absolutely right.

redwitch 05-23-2017 05:13 AM

I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

Taltarzac725 05-23-2017 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1401850)
I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

Manchester Arena: Theresa May says police know identity of bomber who killed 22– latest | UK news | The Guardian

As usual very well put Redwitch. The Bible and the life of Jesus Christ should be an inspiration of how to treat other people. There was incredible evil in his time as well. But, he stood above it.

Happinow 05-23-2017 07:52 AM

Knowing
 
Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

Taltarzac725 05-23-2017 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1401899)
Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

Would that not be Interpol on some other European police problem though? I am sure that the FBI would have shared such information?

I do hate it when the terrorists take over another normal place of business or fun and turn it into a place of post traumatic stress for many people. ISIS has taken credit for this attack.

Allegiance 05-23-2017 07:58 AM

Some people will always try to use history to justify bad behavior.

Others see it for what it is.

ColdNoMore 05-23-2017 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1401850)
I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

:bigbow:


It's hard to comprehend the hate that it takes to kill young kids and my heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. :(

Taltarzac725 05-23-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1401907)
:bigbow:


It's hard to comprehend the hate that it takes to kill young kids and my heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. :(

And these victims/survivors are never going to experience life in the same way every again because of the evil of this one man and whoever helped him or drove him to do such a despicable act.

Bjeanj 05-23-2017 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1401899)
Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

Cite your source for that please.

Taltarzac725 05-23-2017 08:13 AM

Ariana Grande on Manchester Bombing: 'I am so so sorry. I don't have words.' - Towleroad

And these things have a huge load on the survivor/victims in the celebrities involved. But do give them opportunities to really bring people together and stand against this kind of evil. Quite a burden though to put on someone usually not trained for anything like this.

Happinow 05-23-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 1401917)
Cite your source for that please.

Fox Business News had it on yesterday when the attack happened. It was on the screen for all to read.

graciegirl 05-23-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1401982)
Fox Business News had it on yesterday when the attack happened. It was on the screen for all to read.

The FBI is the United State's agency. (????) Are you SURE that is what you read?

There have been warnings from our State Department about any large gatherings in Europe, including music venues, issued repeatedly. I was concerned about grandchildren last summer attending a large concert in Barcelona.

justjim 05-23-2017 10:46 AM

We have not traveled abroad that much (couple of times) but Manchester was one of our brief stops. We found England, Scotland and Ireland residents so friendly and laid back. On our visit to Saint Andrews (home of golf) as non-golfers on a trip they even let us go out on a couple of holes for photos.

It's so very sad all the nice people have to put up with the ones taught to kill and hate. And that's what Extremist do---teach their children and others to hate and kill. Prayers for the people of Manchester and especially the children. For some of us, this area of the world is where our ancestors came to find better opportunities in the New World. Peace.

Allegiance 05-23-2017 10:49 AM

Watch the tourism numbers.

Bogie Shooter 05-23-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1401899)
Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

So, how do you know that?

Bogie Shooter 05-23-2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1401982)
Fox Business News had it on yesterday when the attack happened. It was on the screen for all to read.

Oh, that explains it all...................................

golfing eagles 05-23-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1401907)
:bigbow:


It's hard to comprehend the hate that it takes to kill young kids and my heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. :(

I saw an expert on ISIS interviewed this AM and he was asked how they could target children in the name of Islam. He stated that targeting children is considered totally acceptable because:

1) Their parents pay taxes that are use to fight against the establishment of a worldwide caliphate under sharia law

2) By attacking their children, parents will be discouraged and want to surrender

3) The children will grow up to breed more "infidels", whom they will eventually have to kill anyway.

So how do we fight this mental illness????

graciegirl 05-23-2017 12:32 PM

Worldwide Caution

kcrazorbackfan 05-23-2017 06:50 PM

Very sad and unsettling; only a matter of time until something like this happens again in the US.

graciegirl 05-23-2017 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1402251)
Very sad and unsettling; only a matter of time until something like this happens again in the US.

I absolutely agree.

Taltarzac725 05-23-2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1402251)
Very sad and unsettling; only a matter of time until something like this happens again in the US.

Yes. But people should always keep there guard up. If you see something; say something. That foiled plot here in the Villages involving the high school even if that was just some punk kids mouthing off. It sometimes does not take much to make one of these grudges against an institution something a whole lot more tragic.

TheDude 05-27-2017 11:22 AM

The Manchester situation is something that shouldn't be forgotten. Each death isn't just a photo on the television, it is a person, with family and friends. The aren't pets, they were people. I saw 9/11 and the aftermath, and to see all the 8 x 11 1/2 pages of photos taped to the walls of all the hospitals as loved ones looked for the missing (and later found to be dead) was heartbreaking. This is heartbreaking also.

Schaumburger 05-27-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1401850)
I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

I see the good and kindness in people, and I feel encouraged. I watch the news on TV and feel discouraged.

Off topic, but there are still kind people, even in a large metropolitan area like Chicago. Last week I was driving home from work, stopped at a traffic light. A lady came up to my driver's side window and told me that one of my rear taillights was out. What a nice thing for her to do! I drove straight to Jiffy Lube to have that bulb replaced. That lady may have saved me from a traffic ticket. So there are still kind, decent people in this world. They just don't make the lead story on TV every night.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2017 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schaumburger (Post 1403710)
I see the good and kindness in people, and I feel encouraged. I watch the news on TV and feel discouraged.

Off topic, but there are still kind people, even in a large metropolitan area like Chicago. Last week I was driving home from work, stopped at a traffic light. A lady came up to my driver's side window and told me that one of my rear taillights was out. What a nice thing for her to do! I drove straight to Jiffy Lube to have that bulb replaced. That lady may have saved me from a traffic ticket. So there are still kind, decent people in this world. They just don't make the lead story on TV every night.

Some of the CBS "On the Road" stories cover people doing good. CBS Evening News - On The Road - CBS News

And I remember how many people went out of their way to help the victims/survivors of the Orlando Pulse Night Club shooting on 6-12-2016. 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting - Wikipedia I had to wait a while to get into give platelets at the One Blood branch office here in the Villages because of all the people who were coming in and trying to donate blood a few days after that.

Schaumburger 05-27-2017 12:21 PM

I hope the people affected by the events earlier this week in Manchester know that most of the people in the West stand with them.

I know it is a scary world out there, but if we don't live our lives (but be vigilant) and attend events that bring us joy, then the terrorists have won. This statement has been said and posted many times since 9/11.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Schaumburger (Post 1403716)
I hope the people affected by the events earlier this week in Manchester know that most of the people in the West stand with them.

I know it is a scary world out there, but if we don't live our lives (but be vigilant) and attend events that bring us joy, then the terrorists have won. This statement has been said and posted many times since 9/11.

True. I celebrate birthdays as much as I can and my high school English teacher Barbara Mitchell's daughter Michelle Mitchell was murdered on 2-24 in 1976 near the University of Nevada, Reno campus. 2-24 in my actual birthday. She was a 19 year old nursing student. The murder is probably solved now correctly in 2017 but as far as I know is still an open case. It was probably a man known as the Gypsy Hill killer or the San Mateo Slasher-- Rodney Halbower. I got four degrees to try to help people by getting practical materials for survivors/victims of crimes accessible in or through libraries. Been fighting the powers that be on-and-off since January or so of 1991. Many Chicago connections to this as many of the associations I have tried to persuade its members to get involved are in Chicago. You cannot let the negativity and just plain evil acts of some people stop you.

I like it that the authorities in the UK called out the US media for putting too much emphasis on the perpetrator of the despicable bombing rather than focusing on the survivors/victims. They even -- the media in the US-- showed pictures of the bomb and the like. That's dumb. You are supposed to keep some things secret which they did with the 2-24- 1976 Michelle Mitchell murder even if that turned out to be a mess up of Titanic proportion as far as justice is concerned. A paranoid schizophrenic Cathy Woods was railroaded because the cops and the community wanted the matter closed and she was in a mental ward from about 1979 through 2015 for a false confession and numerous appeals.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-27-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1401820)
So frightening and sad to hear of another terrorist attack.

There have been at least two other terrorist attacks in the past few days that didn't make the news.

ISIS-linked militants reportedly captured nine Christians, tied their hands together and shot them dead in a city in the southern province of Mindanao in The Philippines.

Twenty eight Coptic Christians were shot to death by ISIS linked terrorists while on a bus in Minya Egypt yesterday.

On Wednesday, Three police officers were killed and ten others, five police officers and five civilians, injured when two suicide bombers blew themselves up at a bus stop in Ja****a, India. The police confirmed that the bombers were members of Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid, a group links to Islamic State.

These are only a few of the terrorist attacks that have happened in the past week that the media didn't report. The problem is a lot worse than what we are led to believe.

It seems that if it doesn't happen in The U.S. or Europe our media doesn't care about it. Either that or they are trying to minimize just how big of a problem this is.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2017 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1403741)
There have been at least two other terrorist attacks in the past few days that didn't make the news.

ISIS-linked militants reportedly captured nine Christians, tied their hands together and shot them dead in a city in the southern province of Mindanao in The Philippines.

Twenty eight Coptic Christians were shot to death by ISIS linked terrorists while on a bus in Minya Egypt yesterday.

On Wednesday, Three police officers were killed and ten others, five police officers and five civilians, injured when two suicide bombers blew themselves up at a bus stop in Ja****a, India. The police confirmed that the bombers were members of Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid, a group links to Islamic State.

These are only a few of the terrorist attacks that have happened in the past week that the media didn't report. The problem is a lot worse than what we are led to believe.

It seems that if it doesn't happen in The U.S. or Europe our media doesn't care about it. Either that or they are trying to minimize just how big of a problem this is.

I saw the bus attack reported on the news as well as the other matters. This was on CBS or ABC's National News. There were more in the middle of the telecasts but were there.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-27-2017 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1403761)
I saw the bus attack reported on the news as well as the other matters. This was on CBS or ABC's National News. There were more in the middle of the telecasts but were there.

You could be right. I don't watch network news so I wouldn't know. But 28 people killed in one incident, nine in another, and ten in a third and they get maybe one mention by the networks while they go on and on about Manchester. Are the lives of British subjects more valuable than people in other parts of the world or is it because it seems to make it more like it could happen here?

I really don't have any idea why the networks and most cable news outlets pick and choose their stories but it seems to me that what we get is what they want us to hear.

Rockyrd 06-04-2017 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1403828)
You could be right. I don't watch network news so I wouldn't know. But 28 people killed in one incident, nine in another, and ten in a third and they get maybe one mention by the networks while they go on and on about Manchester. Are the lives of British subjects more valuable than people in other parts of the world or is it because it seems to make it more like it could happen here?

I really don't have any idea why the networks and most cable news outlets pick and choose their stories but it seems to me that what we get is what they want us to hear.

All covered quite extensively. NYTimes had feature stories on both as they unfolded along with Washington Post. And actually I think all 3 cable channels covered them as well, but keep this in mind...

Egypt, while not on the "banned list" is a terrorist country and the Phillipines, also not on the list, has been becoming infested of the past year with ISIS. Much about this I have seen and read.

The stories from an accepted and approved terrorist country will never get the coverage that a Christian nation will get.

Egypt has long been considered a "terrorist" country.

Eiffel Tower Goes Dark as World Leaders Condemn Attack in Egypt’s Minya Eiffel Tower Goes Dark as World Leaders Condemn Attack in Egypt’s Minya | Egyptian Streets

I just need to weigh in when I see the media criticized with no basis in fact....I am sorry. Again, it is not just a small group that condemns terrorism

ISIS in Southeast Asia: Philippines battles growing threat - CNN.com

HimandMe 06-04-2017 03:34 PM

Theresa May has said, "Enough is enough". Have you ever tried to find a good movie lately without going through 50 full of violence first? When do we start saying enough and enough and pass it on through our children and grand children?

We are all conditioned in various ways and some cultures have reached the terrorist stage. It's so sad.

Taltarzac725 06-04-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HimandMe (Post 1407015)
Theresa May has said, "Enough is enough". Have you ever tried to find a good movie lately without going through 50 full of violence first? When do we start saying enough and enough and pass it on through our children and grand children?

We are all conditioned in various ways and some cultures have reached the terrorist stage. It's so sad.

Must be hard raising a kid in this age when violence is in every media especially video games and the like.

Rockyrd 06-04-2017 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HimandMe (Post 1407015)
Theresa May has said, "Enough is enough". Have you ever tried to find a good movie lately without going through 50 full of violence first? When do we start saying enough and enough and pass it on through our children and grand children?

We are all conditioned in various ways and some cultures have reached the terrorist stage. It's so sad.

And our country had sarcasm for the Mayor of London, which now is creating, at least a temporary rift with English Ambassador.

Their enemy is our enemy. That should and will get our sympathy and strength.


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