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Sherrie 05-31-2017 03:44 PM

My Thoughts about an article in Sunday's paper
 
I just wanted to tell you my thoughts on the article that was in the Sunday paper. The whole front page of the Lifestyle section. "Celebrate the Holy Month of Ramadan". I thought it was in bad taste since it's Memorial Day weekend. Ramadan usually spurs on the Muslims to do more bad things during this time. What percentage of people in The Village's do you think have an interest in this? I view it as a slap in the face!

S Hyer

Taltarzac725 05-31-2017 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherrie (Post 1405359)
I just wanted to tell you my thoughts on the article that was in the Sunday paper. The whole front page of the Lifestyle section. "Celebrate the Holy Month of Ramadan". I thought it was in bad taste since it's Memorial Day weekend. Ramadan usually spurs on the Muslims to do more bad things during this time. I want to put a little message on Talk of the Villages about this. What percentage of people in The Village's do you think have an interest in this? I view it as a slap in the face!

S Hyer

I really liked it. But I am a librarian by training and inclination. Good information about others helps build bridges. Most Muslims are very peaceful.

Sail41 05-31-2017 03:55 PM

I agree! Anything more than a sentence is too much. Didn't see a spread like that for Easter, Christmas or Yom Kippur.

Mrs. Robinson 05-31-2017 04:30 PM

Am I Really Reading this Comment?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherrie (Post 1405359)
I just wanted to tell you my thoughts on the article that was in the Sunday paper. The whole front page of the Lifestyle section. "Celebrate the Holy Month of Ramadan". I thought it was in bad taste since it's Memorial Day weekend. Ramadan usually spurs on the Muslims to do more bad things during this time. I want to put a little message on Talk of the Villages about this. What percentage of people in The Village's do you think have an interest in this? I view it as a slap in the face!

S Hyer


I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!

:spoken:

ColdNoMore 05-31-2017 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1405397)

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!

:spoken:


:bigbow: :bigbow: :bigbow:

dnobles 05-31-2017 04:51 PM

It's sad that people group all Muslims together. Only radical Muslim are violent. I'm far from an expert but have several Friends who are Muslim and they are the kindest people I know.

redwitch 05-31-2017 05:51 PM

Thank you, Mrs. Robinson.

graciegirl 05-31-2017 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1405397)

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!

:spoken:


Perhaps because as far as I know there aren't Muslims living in The Villages and it isn't relevant.

I would also like to say that I support the temporary ban on immigrants from Muslim Countries that harbor ISIS.. According to an article that I can link from Reuters published four days ago, there are 23000 Islamic Jihadists living in UK. That is a bunch of potentially not peaceful people and I don't want that many living in this country.

UK lowers attack threat level as police close in on bomber's network

Mrs. Robinson 05-31-2017 07:29 PM

Huh?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1405427)
Perhaps because as far as I know there aren't Muslims living in The Villages and it isn't relevant.

I would also like to say that I support the temporary ban on immigrants from Muslim Countries that harbor ISIS.. According to an article that I can link from Reuters published four days ago, there are 23000 Islamic Jihadists living in UK. That is a bunch of potentially not peaceful people and I don't want that many living in this country.

UK lowers attack threat level as police close in on bomber's network

Well, I don't know or keep tabs on how many religions are represented in TV, but I would venture to say that there are some Muslims living here.
Logic tells me that based on the population of TV, there are some.

So you say if there are no Muslims living here, it isn't relevant to publish an article about Ramadan in the newspaper?
That is what these posts are all about.
Based on your opinion that it isn't relevant, if there are no monks living here, does that make the topic of monks and their religion of no interest or importance ...
That the paper should never have any kind of article regarding monks?

Regarding Jihadists in the UK, that has no bearing on this topic which is about every day peaceful Muslims.

redwitch 05-31-2017 07:30 PM

According to Sperling's Best Places, 35.56% of Villagers are religious. Of this amount, 0.9% are Muslim. So, I would an article about Ramadan is relevant to many Villagers, including those just curious about the holiday. To say that a newspaper should ignore a high holy holiday because it is not your religion of choice is, at best, narrow minded. The Sun has done an excellent of printing articles about Christianity and Judaism. Nice to see one about Islam. Hoping they do a few more and also articles about Buddhist festivals, Shinto practices, Confucism, Wiccan rites, etc.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-31-2017 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1405397)

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!

:spoken:

I don't know that we can consider Isla a major religion in the United States.

70% of the people in this country identify as Christians, 23% are unaffiliated, 7% are either agnostic or atheists, 1.9% are Jewish and less than 1% are Muslim. There are almost as many Buddhist and Hindus as there are Muslims.

So tell me again why there should be a major article in a newspaper about a religious holiday in a country where less then 1% of the population follow that religion. It makes even less sense if we take into consideration the percentage of Muslims in The Villages where less than one half of one percent of us are Muslims.

I our almost 250 year history, Islam was hardly noticed and hardly spoken about. Now that we are at war with Muslim based organizations, we suddenly need to learn all about the faith and we need to maker sure that they are welcome.

I do realize that there are many peaceful Muslims that mean us no harm. Perhaps the vast majority of them fall into that category. But they have been here in the country for over 200 years and there was hardy a mention of them. Since 9/11 it seems that they have become more important for some reason.

I honestly don't have any problem with a newspaper that wants to run a story about Islam or Ramadan. My question is why? There are simply not very people interested. It might make sense in some areas of the country where there is a large Muslim population, but why would they do it here?

blueash 05-31-2017 08:01 PM

When the newspaper arrived Mrs Blueash said [name masked] is not going to like this.

I am hoping for a couple sentences for Talk Like a Pirate Day on Sept 19th which is an important date for those who are devotees of the FSM.

graciegirl 05-31-2017 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1405463)
Well, I don't know or keep tabs on how many religions are represented in TV, but I would venture to say that there are some Muslims living here.
Logic tells me that based on the population of TV, there are some.

So you say if there are no Muslims living here, it isn't relevant to publish an article about Ramadan in the newspaper?
That is what these posts are all about.
Based on your opinion that it isn't relevant, if there are no monks living here, does that make the topic of monks and their religion of no interest or importance ...
That the paper should never have any kind of article regarding monks?

Regarding Jihadists in the UK, that has no bearing on this topic which is about every day peaceful Muslims.

I wish to God you were right. I don't think many people could tell you the differences and beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Taoism, Shinto and Confucianism. In fact many people can't tell you the difference between what a Cistercian Monk and a Jesuit Priest do all day. Or what a Seventh Day Adventist or a Morman believes and does. It is very difficult to know just who is observant in their faith and who is not.

I would say that in the world today, only one religion says that a person should either be observant or dead.

But not all people follow closely the tenants of their faith. Again I say, Thank God.

ColdNoMore 05-31-2017 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1405482)
when the newspaper arrived mrs blueash said [name masked] is not going to like this.

I am hoping for a couple sentences for talk like a pirate day on sept 19th which is an important date for those who are devotees of the fsm.

Aargggghhh. :D

graciegirl 05-31-2017 08:12 PM

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1405487]Aargggghhh. :D[/QUOTE

Did anyone see in the paper about those folks in Manchester last week?

perrjojo 05-31-2017 08:13 PM

My first reaction was surprise but I then read the article and found it informative.

graciegirl 05-31-2017 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1405492)
My first reaction was surprise but I then read the article and found it informative.

The very best thing always is to learn as much as you possibly can about any subject. And even then, the vagaries of human nature are never what anyone can pin down.

There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us and it is always the atheists who think they know the most about religion.

EnglishJW 05-31-2017 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1405496)
... it is always the atheists who think they know the most about religion.

Really? I would think they would be indifferent at best. Do you have a source for this?

graciegirl 05-31-2017 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishJW (Post 1405500)
Really? I would think they would be indifferent at best. Do you have a source for this?

That is how it looks to me. It used to be that the folks who didn't believe in God or practice any faith just kind of chilled. Now it appear they are all excited about anything that isn't Christian.

I would like to say that four days out of seven I question the existence of a supreme being. AND like most people who are reading this now, I don't understand or can read Arabic. We are at the mercy of those who tell us what to think.

I am skeptical about all this peace stuff. WHAT IF THAT IS WRONG?

ColdNoMore 05-31-2017 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1405492)
My first reaction was surprise but I then read the article and found it informative.

:thumbup:

graciegirl 05-31-2017 08:41 PM

For the past 20 years before moving here we had lived near a mosque in a Cincinnati suburb. Actually the mosque opened in 1995.

Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati (ICGC)

graciegirl 05-31-2017 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by circletrack (Post 1405509)
Got it. Racism is OK because it's just someone's view.

Your view is not accepted by half this country and they aren't all racists.

There is nothing that cannot be questioned. It is just as wrong to dismiss people who are afraid of radical Islam.

If God is he gave us common sense and a desire to protect our families.

circletrack 05-31-2017 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1405513)
Your view is not accepted by half this country and they aren't all racists.

There is nothing that cannot be questioned. It is just as wrong to dismiss people who are afraid of radical Islam.

If God is he gave us common sense and a desire to protect our families.

We are a nation built on religious freedom. But apparently that does not apply to all religions. Obviously it's too late in life to change anyone's mind here.

As a Christian myself I find this all very sad. They definitely don't teach people to be like this in our church.

ColdNoMore 05-31-2017 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by circletrack (Post 1405517)
We are a nation built on religious freedom. But apparently that does not apply to all religions. Obviously it's too late in life to change anyone's mind here.

As a Christian myself I find this all very sad. They definitely don't teach people to be like this in our church.

Your church sounds admirable. :thumbup:

So sad that there aren't more like it. :ohdear:

Fraugoofy 05-31-2017 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1405464)
According to Sperling's Best Places, 35.56% of Villagers are religious. Of this amount, 0.9% are Muslim. So, I would an article about Ramadan is relevant to many Villagers, including those just curious about the holiday. To say that a newspaper should ignore a high holy holiday because it is not your religion of choice is, at best, narrow minded. The Sun has done an excellent of printing articles about Christianity and Judaism. Nice to see one about Islam. Hoping they do a few more and also articles about Buddhist festivals, Shinto practices, Confucism, Wiccan rites, etc.

Amen, sista!

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dnobles 05-31-2017 09:34 PM

And most Muslim do not condone killing.

Bowtorc 05-31-2017 10:30 PM

One day it will happen close to us . How would you feel today if one of your children was among the dead or injured?

Mrs. Robinson 05-31-2017 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1405478)
I don't know that we can consider Isla a major religion in the United States.

70% of the people in this country identify as Christians, 23% are unaffiliated, 7% are either agnostic or atheists, 1.9% are Jewish and less than 1% are Muslim. There are almost as many Buddhist and Hindus as there are Muslims.

I consider the Muslim religion a major religion because of a few things. Unfortunately, the Jihadists and their ilk are part of this. Islam is heard and seen in the news and read in the papers every day. It is the fastest growing religion in the world today and is the second largest religion in the world. I would venture to say that in 50 years, it will surpass Christianity. No, we won't be around to see this, but I believe this will happen.


So tell me again why there should be a major article in a newspaper about a religious holiday in a country where less then 1% of the population follow that religion. It makes even less sense if we take into consideration the percentage of Muslims in The Villages where less than one half of one percent of us are Muslims.

The percentage of any population has nothing to do with the news, be it political, religious or anything else. Unless a person wants to go through life with blinders on, fine. Don't read anything. But most intelligent people want to know about things of interest, things where they might want a better understanding, things they might not be aware of, etc. I could give you many reasons why someone would like to read about something with which they don't have much familiarity.

I our almost 250 year history, Islam was hardly noticed and hardly spoken about. Now that we are at war with Muslim based organizations, we suddenly need to learn all about the faith and we need to maker sure that they are welcome.


Exactly! And without learning about something, you are at a disadvantage; you are ignorant. You can't discuss it, you don't and won't understand it and if there is a problem with it, you will never be able to do anything positive or anything about it. Because of the world situation, yes -- it is absolutely necessary that we, as Americans, need to learn about the Muslim people and the Islam religion.

I do realize that there are many peaceful Muslims that mean us no harm. Perhaps the vast majority of them fall into that category. But they have been here in the country for over 200 years and there was hardy a mention of them. Since 9/11 it seems that they have become more important for some reason.

"For some reason." Are you serious??? When al-Qaeda hijacked our planes and did those suicide attacks that wasn't reason enough? What happened on September 11th, was the stimulus for what is going on now and why it is the one of the most important things happening in the world today.

I honestly don't have any problem with a newspaper that wants to run a story about Islam or Ramadan. My question is why? There are simply not very people interested. It might make sense in some areas of the country where there is a large Muslim population, but why would they do it here?

If you have to ask why, then you absolutely do have a problem with a paper running a feature about Islam or Ramadan! I don't know you or the people with whom you associate, but I can tell you that 95% of my friends and acquaintances find this kind of article interesting. This is how we all learn and become better informed. This kind of thing is how we become better educated.

Again -- a Muslim population has nothing to do with this kind of article appearing in any newspaper. Perhaps you want to go back to the "Fun with Dick and Jane" era or the Alfred E. Newman comic books. That way you won't have to keep up with the news or live with your ears and eyes open regarding what is going on in this ever-changing dangerous world.

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Mrs. Robinson 05-31-2017 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnobles (Post 1405529)
And most Muslim do not condone killing.


The religion, Islam, does not condone murder of any kind.

I've wondered how al-Qaeda, the Jihadists, etc., justify what they do under the guise of religion.
:shrug:

Buffalo Jim 05-31-2017 10:55 PM

" I honestly don't have any problem with a newspaper that wants to run a story about Islam or Ramadan. My question is why? There are simply not very people interested. It might make sense in some areas of the country where there is a large Muslim population, but why would they do it here? "

The above is a quote taken from Post 32 above .

The writer raises a very good question when they say " my question is why ".

Actually , if you have had any experience behind the scenes in media you would get a sense of the unending pressure on the Editors of each section to get out their " product " each and every day . So they have a standing meeting every few days and ask for suggestions from the paper's writers as to major topics to write about .
The writers / journalists want to build their resume and of course keep their jobs so they come up with new topics . I can envision such a " blue-sky " session when one sharp young ambitious writer says " hey it`s the most Holy Month for Islam . How about a major article ".
The Editor says " OK great ! Make it long enough and I will use it for Sunday`s paper " . It`s no more than that frankly .
There is space to fill 7 days a week and what are we going to make a feature article next ? I have a 9PM deadline each and every day . I doubt many of us would want those jobs . I have seen what goes into putting out a large metro daily paper from inside and it is a high pressure operation .

Mrs. Robinson 05-31-2017 10:59 PM

A Good One
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1405464)
According to Sperling's Best Places, 35.56% of Villagers are religious. Of this amount, 0.9% are Muslim. So, I would an article about Ramadan is relevant to many Villagers, including those just curious about the holiday. To say that a newspaper should ignore a high holy holiday because it is not your religion of choice is, at best, narrow minded. The Sun has done an excellent of printing articles about Christianity and Judaism. Nice to see one about Islam. Hoping they do a few more and also articles about Buddhist festivals, Shinto practices, Confucism, Wiccan rites, etc.

An excellent response!

I, too, would like to see more diverse articles on non-every-day things, including some of the lesser known religions.

I still have a little room left in my brain to learn more.

circletrack 05-31-2017 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowtorc (Post 1405543)
One day it will happen close to us . How would you feel today if one of your children was among the dead or injured?

I would feel terrible. Much like I would about the thousands of other shootings, bombings and other tragedies that have absolutely nothing to do with religion.

graciegirl 05-31-2017 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1405546)

The religion, Islam, does not condone murder of any kind. They do extol martyrdom.

I've wondered how al-Qaeda, the Jihadists, etc., justify what they do under the guise of religion.
:shrug:

They ARE Islamic. A jihadist is a Muslim who has declared war on non believers.

what is a jihadist - Bing

Many people confuse Islam with peaceful religions like Budhism.

manaboutown 05-31-2017 11:32 PM

Wasn't their prophet, Muhammed, a pedophile because when at about age 50 he married a six or seven year old girl, Aisha?

Supposedly he waited until she attained the age of nine (whoopee!) to consummate the marriage when he was age 53.

No offense but that makes me want to puke.

His first marriage was at age 25 to a wealthy 40 year old woman...what a guy!

Marine4Yeshua 05-31-2017 11:52 PM

Islam is an Ideolgy
 
Americans have been lulled to sleep with regard to Islam by liberals, globalists and the MSM. Islam is an ideology. Sharia is the fascist law that is above every other law, even the constitution. No Sharia compliant, Islamist (whether conservative, moderate or radical) can swear allegiance to anything above Sharia, except and unless they lie. And, Muslims are allowed to lie to further Islam.

Americans need to be informed. Below are excepts from the Koran:
• Infidels are those who declare: “God is the Christ, the son of Mary” (Sura 5:17)
• Infidels are those that say “God is one of three in a Trinity” (Sura 5:73)
• Believers, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies (Sura 5:51)
• Believers, do not make friends with those who have incurred the wrath of Allah (Sura 60:13)
• Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101)
• Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123)
• Prophet, make war on the infidels (Sura 66:9)
• When you meet the infidel in the battlefield strike off their heads (Sura 47:4)
• Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29)

The Marines were called upon in the early 1800's to deal with the Barbary pirates and slavery of American citizens and sailors. Marines are called "leathernecks" because they wore wide leather collars to keep from being beheaded by the Barbary Muslims.

A quick intro article can be found on WND by Bill Federer - "The Treaty of Tripoli: Not what atheists think." (I'm new and the site would not let me link)

What is happening in America today is know as cultural jihadism. Look up Kamal Saleem or Walid Shoebat's testimony on YouTube. They were Muslim terrorists sent to the US to infiltrate, but both found Jesus and his whole life changed. Their testimonies are eye-opening and very informative.

rubicon 06-01-2017 04:14 AM

As this nation continues its march toward secularism we continue to promote other religions while we ignore the anti Christian propaganda which continues to grow in this nation. we were a nation founded on the Judaeo-Christian faiths

Personal Best Regards:

doran 06-01-2017 05:20 AM

We were in Turkey during Ramadan, and found the faithful to be as any other God based religion to be. We celebrated with them the day the time of fasting and reflection was over, and it was a wonderful experience going from house to house with treats and sweets. People are now Muslim phobic the same way they were homo phobic in the 70's and 80's. Please do not speak from a point of ignorance. Plus what my religious belief happens to be is protected by the constitution of the USA....... People who hate others for no reason, other than their own narrow mindedness, are always on the path to unhappiness. In this case I am sure this thread was started to provoke, rather than state the true views of the person who started it. Bad taste indeed!

graciegirl 06-01-2017 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doran (Post 1405572)
We were in Turkey during Ramadan, and found the faithful to be as any other God based religion to be. We celebrated with them the day the time of fasting and reflection was over, and it was a wonderful experience going from house to house with treats and sweets. People are now Muslim phobic the same way they were homo phobic in the 70's and 80's. Please do not speak from a point of ignorance. Plus what my religious belief happens to be is protected by the constitution of the USA....... People who hate others for no reason, other than their own narrow mindedness, are always on the path to unhappiness. In this case I am sure this thread was started to provoke, rather than state the true views of the person who started it. Bad taste indeed!

I think I remember that your wife was a travel agent in California. Did she arrange for the house to house treats experience?

Were you aware of the Muslim religious views on homosexuality? I believe that speaking from a point of ignorance is not the case here for some of us.

Not sure when you were there last. Just to remind you of some not so tourist friendly events in Turkey recently. List of terrorist incidents in Turkey (2016) | ElSurveillance

Here is the current State Department Travel Advisory to Turkey; Turkey Travel Warning

salpal 06-01-2017 06:20 AM

Thank you Mrs. Robinson and Redwitch.....what is wrong about learning about other cultures/religions? Would you be offended by an article about the Amish, for example? Hard to believe such small minds still exist.

Bonny 06-01-2017 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salpal (Post 1405577)
Thank you Mrs. Robinson and Redwitch.....what is wrong about learning about other cultures/religions? Would you be offended by an article about the Amish, for example? Hard to believe such small minds still exist.

I agree! I found it interesting.


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