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BWhite 06-05-2017 07:31 PM

Complaints
 
Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

manaboutown 06-05-2017 07:47 PM

Some if not many of the anonymous complaints surely must be from bitter people. The recent one about the two foot too wide driveway on the Historic Side comes to mind in particular. That driveway had been in place when the lady purchased the place seven years ago. Must be a personal vendetta from a cowardly passive-aggressive busybody. Geez!

JoMar 06-05-2017 07:48 PM

What some consider an improvement may not be viewed the same by everyone. We all signed the deed restrictions, why do some believe they don't mean anything? Doesn't matter what you put in your yard it will probably offend someone so just follow the deed restrictions for your area and then everyone will coexist peacefully.

Sandtrap328 06-05-2017 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1407573)
Some if not many of the anonymous complaints surely must be from bitter people. The recent one about the two foot too wide driveway on the Historic Side comes to mind in particular. That driveway had been in place when the lady purchased the place seven years ago. Must be a personal vendetta from a cowardly passive-aggressive busybody. Geez!

For this one in particular, I think the buyer would be able to get all her money refunded by the title insurance company. The survey plat would have shown the property boundaries. Not her fault - unless she opted not to get title insurance.

As for deed compliance squealers, unless it is a gross malfeasance, be quiet!

Allegiance 06-05-2017 08:12 PM

With That particular case the neighbors on either side of the new house got the violation.

Right side, two feet of driveway, left side a beautiful raised stone flowerbed. Hmmm

DonH57 06-05-2017 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1407573)
Some if not many of the anonymous complaints surely must be from bitter people. The recent one about the two foot too wide driveway on the Historic Side comes to mind in particular. That driveway had been in place when the lady purchased the place seven years ago. Must be a personal vendetta from a cowardly passive-aggressive busybody. Geez!

The lady should have been entitled to some legal recourse since the property was sold in that condition. The driveway rework should have been paid by the authority that allowed the sale to go forward and approved. It should not have come out of her pocket. Totally unacceptable title and deed was processed and she paid the price.

Bryan 06-06-2017 04:45 AM

Some people continue to think they are entitled, privileged, above the law, and that the rules don't apply to them. Everyone who purchased had a chance to read their deed restrictions (most didn't). They signed off that they read and understood them (they didn't even come close). They violated those restrictions - either knowingly but not caring or through total ignorance by not bothering to read them. Someone complains about the violation. Now they think that they - the uncaring, entitled, privileged retiree - should be granted an exception. Man up! Put your Big Boy Pants on, and follow the rules.

As for the driveway situation, I certainly agree that lady had some legal recourse. Note that is in not FREE legal recourse - it could have been very expensive to fight that faulty deed. I applaud her for just fixing the problem and moving on with her enjoyment of life.

rubicon 06-06-2017 05:00 AM

I get very curious about people who complain about other people complaining.

The old saw about a batters average dropping when he steps out of the batters box comes to mind.

the deed restrictions and other rules here is the only reason many of us moved to Florida and specifically The Villages.

The main method for policing to be certain that deed and rules are upheld comes from complaints by neighbors.

I've seen some homes and generally areas that have caused me some concern.

Fredster 06-06-2017 05:10 AM

Deed restrictions to maintain standards are fine,
but the current system, because it is complaint driven,
does not apply/enforce compliance uniformly.

I personally know there are many, many homes
in The Villages that have landscaping that is not compliant,
but they do not have a PIA neighbor!

BobnBev 06-06-2017 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan (Post 1407635)
Some people continue to think they are entitled, privileged, above the law, and that the rules don't apply to them. Everyone who purchased had a chance to read their deed restrictions (most didn't). They signed off that they read and understood them (they didn't even come close). They violated those restrictions - either knowingly but not caring or through total ignorance by not bothering to read them. Someone complains about the violation. Now they think that they - the uncaring, entitled, privileged retiree - should be granted an exception. Man up! Put your Big Boy Pants on, and follow the rules.

As for the driveway situation, I certainly agree that lady had some legal recourse. Note that is in not FREE legal recourse - it could have been very expensive to fight that faulty deed. I applaud her for just fixing the problem and moving on with her enjoyment of life.

:pray::pray::angel::angel: I feel entitled, I've never met a Saint Before (at least on TOTV)

Allegiance 06-06-2017 05:56 AM

I think a main reason most moved here is because of the deed restrictions, either knowingly or subconsciously due to the beauty it provides.

Notwithstanding, many people who complain are jerks and personally I hope the developer stays in control forever as these would be the same jerks that will try to take control and create a disaster.

DonH57 06-06-2017 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1407639)
Deed restrictions to maintain standards are fine,
but the current system, because it is complaint driven,
does not apply/enforce compliance uniformly.

I personally know there are many, many homes
in The Villages that have landscaping that is not compliant,
but they do not have a PIA neighbor!

I agree.The other problem is All different districts have different restrictions at the time they were built plus anyone who has time driving the all over the villages looking for these violations should have stayed employed or take up another hobby. I seriously believe those folks have some deep rooted issues. I barely have time to look around my own neighborhood, nor will I. I have hobbys.:D

mulligan 06-06-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BWhite (Post 1407564)
Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

Perhaps if you read your covenants, you would catch on.

crash 06-06-2017 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1407663)
I agree.The other problem is All different districts have different restrictions at the time they were built plus anyone who has time driving the all over the villages looking for these violations should have stayed employed or take up another hobby. I seriously believe those folks have some deep rooted issues. I barely have time to look around my own neighborhood, nor will I. I have hobbys.:D

Driving around is nothing compared to those who use Google earth to look for violations. The too many golf carts for example.

It is not the deed restrictions but the people who think they are the deed restriction police. If you want rules enforced then you need to have it done uniformly.

Bogie Shooter 06-06-2017 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BWhite (Post 1407564)
Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

The problem is: the next guy will want cut outs of Snow White on his lawn and then the next guy will want to bury his favorite caddy in his front yard. Now what do you think?

Gpsma 06-06-2017 07:53 AM

Deed restrictions should be in place to keep homeowners from turning their homes into some garish monstrosity and not there for some nosy old busybody to play restriction enforcer.

Speed laws are in place to keep traffic at some safe speed and not for a police officer to write tickets because you went a mile over the speed limit.

I'd venture a guess that all those commenting that there are deed restrictions and someone should have read them didn't bother reading the traffic code before they sped out of their driveway this morning

mdeverew 06-06-2017 08:03 AM

Why complain about anything when we live in Paradise. Of course. there's always a complainer in every crowd. I have a white cross in my yard & I'm very proud to call myself a Christian.

karostay 06-06-2017 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BWhite (Post 1407564)
Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.


They have no purpose in life and nothing better to do.

Jima64 06-06-2017 08:17 AM

Guess restrictions are okay as long as they aren't inforced against you or me.

perrjojo 06-06-2017 08:17 AM

I lived in a community of 1400 homes and the management monitored the violations. It was very time consuming and costly. If you would like to add that salary to your amenity fee, then do away with the annoumous complaint systems.

graciegirl 06-06-2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1407574)
What some consider an improvement may not be viewed the same by everyone. We all signed the deed restrictions, why do some believe they don't mean anything? Doesn't matter what you put in your yard it will probably offend someone so just follow the deed restrictions for your area and then everyone will coexist peacefully.

I agree.

Deed restrictions are part of the reason that many have chosen their homes here. Deed restrictions keep folks from storing their son's car just off the driveway, and keeps the fat bend over lady wood cut-outs from springing up here and there. Deed restrictions allow a Mezuzah or Cross on your door but not in your yard. Deed restrictions stop neighbors from being so creative that it lowers your own property values. It is wonderful that we all believe our own children and yards to be beautiful, but sadly some are not. Abstract art in a myriad of colors with flashing lights may not be properly appreciated by folks who live nearby with more traditional taste.

Deed restrictions keep things lovely for all of us. Anonymous reporting allow people who are not pleased to voice their complaint without being identified. Some call them yard Nazi's. I don't. I would. I have.

Mikeod 06-06-2017 10:40 AM

It's interesting that those who report deed restriction violations are deemed "unfriendly" while those that either intentionally or unintentionally violate the restrictions are not.

I lived in a community with CC&Rs, i.e., restrictions tied to the property. We had a couple of homeowners who chose to ignore them and were called on it. They were informed of who reported it and the result was a chilling effect on neighbor relations. But whose fault was it? The reporter or the person who knowingly ignored the rules?

I understand the concern about someone who would drive around TV looking for violations. But how hard is it to read and understand the restrictions you agreed to when you purchased your home. Then follow them. Ignoring these is a slippery slope. I believe there is a legal concept that holds if you ignore a violation repeatedly over a period of time, that restriction becomes invalid. Simply understand the rules, follow them, and if reported, comply. They are not oppressive.

DonH57 06-06-2017 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 1407676)
Driving around is nothing compared to those who use Google earth to look for violations. The too many golf carts for example.

It is not the deed restrictions but the people who think they are the deed restriction police. If you want rules enforced then you need to have it done uniformly.

Never thought of using google earth. Maybe that's what's going on with all the drones lately. Scattergun take care of that problem.:22yikes::evil6:

Barefoot 06-06-2017 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1407574)
What some consider an improvement may not be viewed the same by everyone. We all signed the deed restrictions, why do some believe they don't mean anything? Doesn't matter what you put in your yard it will probably offend someone so just follow the deed restrictions for your area and then everyone will coexist peacefully.

:agree: It's so easy to comply.

vintageogauge 06-06-2017 11:27 AM

who is the bad guy here. The violator or the complainer. Simple fix, no violations, no complaints. I also don't feel that those who complain are a PITA, however I do feel that those that violate are a PITA when they start crying about getting caught. I have had complaints filed against me over the years for things that I did not know were not allowed, I merely corrected the situation and went on with life, I was wrong and had no ill fillings against the neighbor that complained, I was the bad guy and deserved the notice.

crash 06-06-2017 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1407698)
I lived in a community of 1400 homes and the management monitored the violations. It was very time consuming and costly. If you would like to add that salary to your amenity fee, then do away with the annoumous complaint systems.

You already have that it is the architecture committee and community watch let them do it.

njbchbum 06-06-2017 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1407804)
:agree: It's so easy to comply.

Well said! I have read many of the deed restrictions in the various areas of the Villages and do not understand how compliance is so difficult for some!

DonH57 06-06-2017 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash (Post 1407817)
You already have that it is the architecture committee and community watch let them do it.

Which they should be doing to begin with.:agree:

Rapscallion St Croix 06-06-2017 11:58 AM

If anonymous complaining were forbidden, this forum would only have a couple of dozen members.

perrjojo 06-06-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1407837)
If anonymous complaining were forbidden, this forum would only have a couple of dozen members.

Now that's funny.

graciegirl 06-06-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1407880)
Now that's funny.

I like his brand of humor.

He's deep. ;)

perrjojo 06-06-2017 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash (Post 1407817)
You already have that it is the architecture committee and community watch let them do it.

True but if Community watchnreprted every violation and then paper work was done for notification and follow up it would add many more hours to the payroll.

Jdmiata 06-06-2017 06:12 PM

Too many complainers in TV. Perhaps it's an old people's thing ?

EPutnam1863 06-06-2017 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWhite (Post 1407564)
Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

If they know it is against the rules to put ornaments on their lawns, why are they doing it?

Nucky 06-06-2017 07:59 PM

What We got here is a failure to communicate. Some neighbors you just can't reach. What a shame. I guess these encroachments were valid but when you see them it just didn't make sense for either to have to be remediated. You just never know.

JoMar 06-06-2017 09:52 PM

Usually those that complain are your neighbors since they have to live there. The only drive around complaints I have heard about are the sales guy who are trying to sell houses. Depending on the violation those properties can impact the sale price of homes. As was posted earlier, it's really easy to comply with you what you agreed to when you bought.

twoplanekid 06-07-2017 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdmiata (Post 1408053)
Too many complainers in TV. Perhaps it's an old people's thing ?

I went to eat at a TV Country Club the other night to notice that about 20% or more of the properties along the road had birds in them that will never fly. I am pleased that most pass on the opportunity to object. This was in a newer area with younger people. The times they are a-changin?

Bonny 06-07-2017 11:44 AM

We bought in the Village of Santiago in 1999. The deed restrictions there were minimal. We were selling our home there in 2004 to move to BonnyBrook. My next door neighbor had a gazing ball, a broken fountain, several gnomes that had peeling paint and some of them broken, a freestanding arbor covered with dead vines. Trust me, it was not pretty, especially when trying to sell your house !!!
On the next street, one of my friends had a stop light on one of those stand up poles and a couple of pink flamingos.
Thank goodness for the deed restrictions in BonnyBrook!!!
People moved here knowing there were restrictions and they should follow the rules. Don't like restrictions, lots of other places to live.
Just sayin'.

trichard 06-07-2017 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BWhite (Post 1407564)
Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

What difference does it make how the violation is reported. Read your restrictive covenants and follow the rules. Most of us do!

Fredster 06-07-2017 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trichard (Post 1408504)
What difference does it make how the violation is reported. Read your restrictive covenants and follow the rules. Most of us do!

It makes a big difference, because violations are not enforced on a uniform basis.
If there are deed restriction violations,
they are only enforced if a complaint is made.
The system is complaint driven, and I
was told that by a deed restriction enforcer.
So the end result is, that there are many violations in The Villages that complaints are not made about.
I can drive around my Village and almost better than 25% homes have landscaping not in compliance.
I don't complain for many reasons, the violations are not ugly,
I like my neighbors, and in the big scheme of life they are not a big deal.


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