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xlhig 07-17-2017 10:14 AM

Crossing 441/27 in a cart
 
Using the search function, I was not able to find a real answer to the question: Other than using the bridge, can you cross over 441/27 at one of the stop lights by a non-street legal cart?
I found a lot of answers, "Why would you want to?" and "You're taking your life in your own hands," etc etc, but what I'd really like is a factual answer (with a link, if possible, also) Thanks!

Kahuna32162 07-17-2017 10:25 AM

I see Stonecresters doing it all the time to get to Walmart and Lowes.

redwitch 07-17-2017 10:33 AM

Can't provide a link but the simple answer is no. Unless the county permits golf carts crossing a public thoroughfare, they cannot legally do it. Stonecrest has authorized permission to cross at the one light. Otherwise, no city, county or state authority exists to make it legal to cross 441/27 via golf cart. Of course, you can do so in a motorized wheelchair, scooter, on a bike and on foot but not via golf cart.

Lake County won't even permit a street legal cart to cross Rolling Acres, so those crossing there risk a hefty ticket along with their lives.

xlhig 07-17-2017 10:43 AM

Crossing 441/27 by cart
 
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1425134)
Can't provide a link but the simple answer is no. Unless the county permits golf carts crossing a public thoroughfare, they cannot legally do it. Stonecrest has authorized permission to cross at the one light. Otherwise, no city, county or state authority exists to make it legal to cross 441/27 via golf cart. Of course, you can do so in a motorized wheelchair, scooter, on a bike and on foot but not via golf cart.

Lake County won't even permit a street legal cart to cross Rolling Acres, so those crossing there risk a hefty ticket along with their lives.


So if Stonecresters can cross over to The Villages at a light (which light) couldn't Villagers cross over at the same light?

Allegiance 07-17-2017 11:00 AM

Two different things.

There is a legal crossing for a regular Golf cart at street level, but it can only take you to Spruce Creek at SE 175st place. I don't think there is a way from Spruce Creek into the villages.



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I am sure there are people living in Spruce Creek and stonecrest who have a village gate card (illegally?) to enter into the historic section, from there they can go over the bridge.

redwitch 07-17-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xlhig (Post 1425143)
So if Stonecresters can cross over to The Villages at a light (which light) couldn't Villagers cross over at the same light?

They can cross over to get to Lowe's, etc. we can cross over to get to Stonecrest but nowhere else and we'd still have to use the bridge and path to get to that light. The legal crossing light is, I believe, near Wal-Mart in Marion County. No way to get to it from TV's side.

tagjr1 07-17-2017 01:29 PM

I keep seeing the designations of "legal crossings" and "authorized permission" but no one has really confirmed that these privileges really exist. Can anybody confirm?

redwitch 07-17-2017 04:25 PM

Do a search for Marion County golf cart crossing. There are a couple of news items from 2014 when the county commissioners authorized it.

Steve9930 07-17-2017 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xlhig (Post 1425120)
Using the search function, I was not able to find a real answer to the question: Other than using the bridge, can you cross over 441/27 at one of the stop lights by a non-street legal cart?
I found a lot of answers, "Why would you want to?" and "You're taking your life in your own hands," etc etc, but what I'd really like is a factual answer (with a link, if possible, also) Thanks!

It is only legal to cross 441/27 at the designated crossing at the entrance to Spruce Creek South. This has been approved by Marion County. No other crossing for a golf cart has been authorized. Those that do can be ticketed. Now you could push it across, legally but you cannot drive it across.

NotGolfer 07-17-2017 05:16 PM

...OR you can invest in a street legal cart and cross at any of the lights.

villagetinker 07-17-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1425330)
...OR you can invest in a street legal cart and cross at any of the lights.

Not sure about that, as I recall, there are strict limits on street legal carts, as I recall, they are NOT allowed on or crossing roads with posted speed limits above 35 mile per hour.

golfing eagles 07-17-2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1425336)
Not sure about that, as I recall, there are strict limits on street legal carts, as I recall, they are NOT allowed on or crossing roads with posted speed limits above 35 mile per hour.

Good question---they are not allowed to drive on roads with a speed limit over 35, but crossing??? For instance, I'm driving my car on a road that is posted at 30, but crossing a road with a limit of 45---can I go across at 45 or is MY limit the limit of the road I am on??? Probably, and therefore can a LSV cross?

NotGolfer 07-17-2017 06:11 PM

We have a LSV....did our homework before purchasing it with the police here. You can cross a controlled road (ie. 441/27/, 466, 466a. 44 BUT you may not drive on any road that posts a speed limit over 35 mph.

Buckeyephan 07-17-2017 07:44 PM

I have seen several golf carts driving up Rolling Acres from Recreation Plantation. The limit there is 35 mph. It was frightening to see them in the road with cars since there isn't a cart lane. Is this legal?

chuckinca 07-17-2017 08:06 PM

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Cajulian 07-17-2017 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1425127)
I see Stonecresters doing it all the time to get to Walmart and Lowes.

Stonecresters don't need to cross the street for Walmart and Lowes, they are on the same side. Also they have 2 electronic gates that open directly to each end of Walmart.

You must be talking about Spruce Creek. They have an approved State crossing at the light in front of their community.

There are no other approved light crossings along that stretch of 441/27,

NotGolfer 07-17-2017 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyephan (Post 1425385)
I have seen several golf carts driving up Rolling Acres from Recreation Plantation. The limit there is 35 mph. It was frightening to see them in the road with cars since there isn't a cart lane. Is this legal?

IF they are registered, licensed and have ins. they can travel on streets/roads with a 35 mph speed limit. Don't know that I'd want to on Rolling Acres Rd though...especially as you say, without a golf cart lane! It's a bit "hairy" doing it on Buena Vista and Morse but at least they have 2 lanes.

rubicon 07-18-2017 04:49 AM

As pertains to The Villages 441 466 466a have a bridge or tunnels for the expressed purpose of preventing people from crossing those roads...go over or under them but not on them

JoelJohnson 07-18-2017 06:03 AM

A golf cart can only travel on roads with a max speed of 30MPH, with a top speed of 19.5MPH
A LSV can go on road marked 35MPH, but can only go 25MPH. Many other restrictions apply.

autumnspring 07-18-2017 08:09 AM

If, i recall
 
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Originally Posted by xlhig (Post 1425120)
Using the search function, I was not able to find a real answer to the question: Other than using the bridge, can you cross over 441/27 at one of the stop lights by a non-street legal cart?
I found a lot of answers, "Why would you want to?" and "You're taking your life in your own hands," etc etc, but what I'd really like is a factual answer (with a link, if possible, also) Thanks!

There have been soooooo many threads on cart issues, speed, insurance etc.
It seems to me-CHECK BEFORE YOU GO-one of the posts said there is a golf cart safety presentation at the Savanna Center the third weds of every month.

If, my memory is right, you may want to ask the people who KNOW.

redwitch 07-18-2017 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1425413)
IF they are registered, licensed and have ins. they can travel on streets/roads with a 35 mph speed limit. Don't know that I'd want to on Rolling Acres Rd though...especially as you say, without a golf cart lane! It's a bit "hairy" doing it on Buena Vista and Morse but at least they have 2 lanes.

Not quite accurate. LSVs can travel on roads with a maximum speed limit of 35 mph BUT a municipality can restrict movement (and many do). Lady Lake has flat out refused to allow LSVs to cross Rolling Acres to get to the Best Buy parking lot or to Home Depot or Sam's Club. Fruitland Park and Wildwood both are golf cart communities but still restrict LSV and golf cart movement on several roads and streets. It is important that those who drive LSVs find out exactly where they are permitted to operate, not just where they think they can or should.

Steve9930 07-18-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1425336)
Not sure about that, as I recall, there are strict limits on street legal carts, as I recall, they are NOT allowed on or crossing roads with posted speed limits above 35 mile per hour.

incorrect. Street legal carts may cross any road where the speed limit is post above 35 mph as long as the road on the other side is post at 35 mph or lower.

Steve9930 07-18-2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyephan (Post 1425385)
I have seen several golf carts driving up Rolling Acres from Recreation Plantation. The limit there is 35 mph. It was frightening to see them in the road with cars since there isn't a cart lane. Is this legal?

If they are golf carts, no. If LSV, yes.

dewilson58 07-18-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1425517)
incorrect. Street legal carts may cross any road where the speed limit is post above 35 mph as long as the road on the other side is post at 35 mph or lower.

That is what I have heard too.


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Steve9930 07-18-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1425500)
Not quite accurate. LSVs can travel on roads with a maximum speed limit of 35 mph BUT a municipality can restrict movement (and many do). Lady Lake has flat out refused to allow LSVs to cross Rolling Acres to get to the Best Buy parking lot or to Home Depot or Sam's Club. Fruitland Park and Wildwood both are golf cart communities but still restrict LSV and golf cart movement on several roads and streets. It is important that those who drive LSVs find out exactly where they are permitted to operate, not just where they think they can or should.

I have not heard they restricted LSVs. I do know they opposed letting golf carts cross. I would expect restriction signs posted if they banned an LSV and do not see any. I have seen LSV crossing all over that area.

LI SNOWBIRD 07-20-2017 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1425127)
I see Stonecresters doing it all the time to get to Walmart and Lowes.

I prefer calling them "Stoners" :boom:

golfing eagles 07-20-2017 08:03 AM

Looks like a lot of opinions on this. I don't own a LSV, and even if I did I doubt I would cross 441 lest I become practice target of the day.

I would suggest that someone who owns a LSV and crosses these roads check with the appropriate county's sheriff's dept. and get the FACTS.

Rapscallion St Croix 07-20-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1425500)
Not quite accurate. LSVs can travel on roads with a maximum speed limit of 35 mph BUT a municipality can restrict movement (and many do). Lady Lake has flat out refused to allow LSVs to cross Rolling Acres to get to the Best Buy parking lot or to Home Depot or Sam's Club. Fruitland Park and Wildwood both are golf cart communities but still restrict LSV and golf cart movement on several roads and streets. It is important that those who drive LSVs find out exactly where they are permitted to operate, not just where they think they can or should.

Copied directly from Lady Lake Muni Code

Authorization to operate low-speed vehicles. Low-speed vehicles may be operated within the Town limits where the posted speed limit is thirty-five (35) miles per hour or less. Pursuant to F.S. § 316.2122(1), this does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than thirty-five (35) miles per hour.

Steve9930 07-20-2017 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1426105)
Copied directly from Lady Lake Muni Code

Authorization to operate low-speed vehicles. Low-speed vehicles may be operated within the Town limits where the posted speed limit is thirty-five (35) miles per hour or less. Pursuant to F.S. § 316.2122(1), this does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than thirty-five (35) miles per hour.

I thought that may be the case as there are no signs in Lady Lake indicating a restriction on LSVs.

Steve9930 07-20-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LI SNOWBIRD (Post 1426085)
I prefer calling them "Stoners" :boom:

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