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genecruey 07-21-2017 01:41 PM
excessive/improper use of rope on executive courses
 
This was my first post and It was an eye opener. The majority of the replies blamed the "tripper" and never could see the real problem of too many ropes on tees that were not doing their intended job but instead creating an obstacle to golfers and pace of play. I think the photos easily prove this point about placement . Ropes should protect the golfer wet areas, and newly seeded or sodded areas. To block off a tee of green without attempting to fix the bad area is not helping. Most replies seem to suggest if a barrier were put in the middle of the road on 441 for no valid reason and a car hit it causing injury that some how it was total the driver at fault as he could have driven around. Key point.. "for no valid reason". By these way the photos show that it is not golf carts that caused the problem, it is water run off from elevated tees. These photos were not exception but true in almost all case. I thank everyone for your replies.

graciegirl 07-21-2017 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426596)
if you have had or know someone who tripped on executive ropes I would like hear about it. my thoughts are below.

ROPES ON EXECUTIVE COURSE

With all due respect to those who keep our executive course in the best possible shape, I wish to make a few points concerning ropes by Greens and Tees.

First I must say I personally have seen several trips and falls due to these ropes. Today I played with a couple who knew someone who tripped over the rope and broke their shoulder. They thought he may have initiated a lawsuit. Another was pretty bad as a results of landing face first on cart path. This was someone who had to give up pickle ball due to a diagnosed “brain bleed” and a fall could have lead to death. We are a community of seniors and many must have handicap markers on their cart due to disabilities. I believe everyone can agree the ropes are a hazard without blaming the victim. .

I have made several observations that I challenge anyone to check out for accuracy.

1. I have observed that in the vast majority of cases the rope has blocked off dirt and sand areas which have no chance of recovering by simply limiting traffic on them. Grass does not magically sprout out on hard pan bare areas. (probably my strongest point other than safety which is enough in itself). Currently in many cases, this just funnels traffic to the ends of the rope causing more damage in areas that were not as bad thus extending not fixing any bad areas and slows play..

If it has grass seed or sod in an attempt to fix, by all means rope it off.
Grass will never grow just by limiting traffic. Typical example found on every course.

3 I started to take note when the campaign to enforce pulling to close to the edge of path and having one tire on the grass began. I have found very little evidence that this is a prevalent problem. There are bare areas near the paths but clearly not caused by this problem. Water erosion, because these ropes are lower than the tee or green funnel it into the bad areas or cause them.

4. In many cases the ropes make an impaired golfer have to walk quiet a bit more distance to tee off. I/we want them on the course, right, I admire them and pray I will have the same tenacity and will not have to walk a
n obstical to get to the Tee or Green.

5. As I mention in the opening, they are a hazard and slow up play.

6. We do many things to speed up play but the ropes do the opposite.


7. Seems obvious but the ropes by the tees are not in play hardly at all and those by the green are in play but you get relief from path or bad areas with or without them. Now the relief is from the rope unless, as some do, you pull up the rope hit and put it back... slows play yes. As I said, just a safety hazard.

I have repeatedly ask why the ropes and the brainwashed answer is it keeps carts from ruining the grass. Come on, just look. When a cart tire is on the path at all it is not touching the ground thus only when an ill informed handicapped player leaves the path is it a problem and me for one can live with that and I believe very little damages is done.

On behalf of me and my fellow aging golf nuts, I implore you to revisit the use of ropes. I have no doubt this was done in good faith to create a better course but sadly it has not done that but only created slower play and a safety hazard.
I would like to discuss this with the appropriate staff and know that it is receiving the proper attention.
I don't doubt it is possible but we have lived here and I have played the courses for more than nine years and I haven't seen or heard of anyone tripping. More than that, bad things usually appear on this forum and yours is the first about falling over the ropes that I have read in ten years.

As you may know, this forum is not an official place or connected to The official Villages or to the Golf courses in any way. Some good soul will soon read this and post the name and telephone number of the director of Executive Golf. Welcome to the forum. I hope you have been happy in this lovely town we have all chosen, for the most part, anyway..........

maurgino 07-21-2017 01:57 PM
I have observed people trip and fall over these ropes.

CWGUY 07-21-2017 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426596)
if you have had or know someone who tripped on executive ropes I would like hear about it. my thoughts are below.

ROPES ON EXECUTIVE COURSE

With all due respect to those who keep our executive course in the best possible shape, I wish to make a few points concerning ropes by Greens and Tees.

First I must say I personally have seen several trips and falls due to these ropes. Today I played with a couple who knew someone who tripped over the rope and broke their shoulder. They thought he may have initiated a lawsuit. Another was pretty bad as a results of landing face first on cart path. This was someone who had to give up pickle ball due to a diagnosed “brain bleed” and a fall could have lead to death. We are a community of seniors and many must have handicap markers on their cart due to disabilities. I believe everyone can agree the ropes are a hazard without blaming the victim. .

I have made several observations that I challenge anyone to check out for accuracy.

1. I have observed that in the vast majority of cases the rope has blocked off dirt and sand areas which have no chance of recovering by simply limiting traffic on them. Grass does not magically sprout out on hard pan bare areas. (probably my strongest point other than safety which is enough in itself). Currently in many cases, this just funnels traffic to the ends of the rope causing more damage in areas that were not as bad thus extending not fixing any bad areas and slows play..

If it has grass seed or sod in an attempt to fix, by all means rope it off.
Grass will never grow just by limiting traffic. Typical example found on every course.

3 I started to take note when the campaign to enforce pulling to close to the edge of path and having one tire on the grass began. I have found very little evidence that this is a prevalent problem. There are bare areas near the paths but clearly not caused by this problem. Water erosion, because these ropes are lower than the tee or green funnel it into the bad areas or cause them.

4. In many cases the ropes make an impaired golfer have to walk quiet a bit more distance to tee off. I/we want them on the course, right, I admire them and pray I will have the same tenacity and will not have to walk a
n obstical to get to the Tee or Green.

5. As I mention in the opening, they are a hazard and slow up play.

6. We do many things to speed up play but the ropes do the opposite.


7. Seems obvious but the ropes by the tees are not in play hardly at all and those by the green are in play but you get relief from path or bad areas with or without them. Now the relief is from the rope unless, as some do, you pull up the rope hit and put it back... slows play yes. As I said, just a safety hazard.

I have repeatedly ask why the ropes and the brainwashed answer is it keeps carts from ruining the grass. Come on, just look. When a cart tire is on the path at all it is not touching the ground thus only when an ill informed handicapped player leaves the path is it a problem and me for one can live with that and I believe very little damages is done.

On behalf of me and my fellow aging golf nuts, I implore you to revisit the use of ropes. I have no doubt this was done in good faith to create a better course but sadly it has not done that but only created slower play and a safety hazard.
I would like to discuss this with the appropriate staff and know that it is receiving the proper attention.
:welcome: To TOTV and :eclipsee_gold_cup: You have won the best 1st. post of the day award.

dnobles 07-21-2017 01:59 PM
I played night golf and the ropes were left up. I thought that was very dangerous

Mimivillager 07-21-2017 02:12 PM
My friend tripped and broke her hip recently

Rapscallion St Croix 07-21-2017 02:22 PM
When I encounter a rope, I walk around it. This makes tripping on the rope impossible. When the time comes where I fail to recognize the presence of the rope, it is time to take up tiddly winks.

genecruey 07-21-2017 02:35 PM
please just observe what they are protecting while blocking the tees.

Rapscallion St Croix 07-21-2017 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426617)
please just observe what they are protecting while blocking the tees.
I don't care what they are protecting.

CWGUY 07-21-2017 02:38 PM
I'm watching the Open on T.V. and guess what I just saw....:shocked: rope! Good enough for Royal Birkdale then it's good enough for the Villages.
I don't think there is a course anywhere that doesn't use it. And to answer a few posters - I've seen people trip over many things -
ropes, sprinkler heads, rakes etc. You have to watch what you are doing. I played night golf once with a guy who tripped on the edge of a trap, but never tripped over a rope in the dark.

dewilson58 07-21-2017 02:47 PM
I've only seen excessive ropes at the Town Squares, on chairs.

genecruey 07-21-2017 02:51 PM
excessive use that does not protect wet or growing areas. Just dirt. Ropes are useful when placed appropriately' I'm all for them properly placed.

genecruey 07-21-2017 03:16 PM
The excessive use has only recently started(past few months). Prior to that they were placed appropriately and were effective.

Bogie Shooter 07-21-2017 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimivillager (Post 1426607)
My friend tripped and broke her hip recently
Where? At home or where?

dewilson58 07-21-2017 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426649)
We have broken hips, broken shoulder, black eyes and scrapes and my post gets "I don't care". "walk around them' Virtually calling our less agile golfers klutzes and if I can't avoid a rope I will take up Tiddly winks (you will get there) . Only 120 looks and O. J. s pardon gets over 1000 in just minutes. Eye opener. Pity.
Others just don't have the same concern as you. Nothing personal, just not as concerned.

My understanding of ropes...........go around, not over.

Good Luck with your crusade.

ColdNoMore 07-21-2017 05:17 PM
Hmmmm......
 
I guess my first thought is that if someone is concerned about tripping over a rope that they can see because they didn't lift a leg high enough, then maybe they shouldn't be playing golf...as getting into and out of a bunker can be much more hazardous than those ropes.

And then of course, there are the same issues involving getting in and out of golf carts, any curb, entry rugs in stores, door thresholds, etc., etc., etc. :shrug:

genecruey 07-21-2017 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1426685)
I guess my first thought is that if someone is concerned about tripping over a rope that they can see because they didn't lift a leg high enough, then maybe they shouldn't be playing golf...as getting into and out of a bunker can be much more hazardous than those ropes.

And then of course, there are the same issues involving getting in and out of golf carts, any curb, entry rugs in stores, door thresholds, etc., etc., etc. :shrug:
Read the entire post

ColdNoMore 07-21-2017 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426699)
Read the entire post
Ummm, I did...and I stand by my observations.

Carla B 07-21-2017 06:29 PM
I have seen 9 of 10 golfers on a Champiionship course walk over the rope or chain, rather than around it. Why do that, when it is only a few steps out of the way and safer
to walk?

genecruey 07-21-2017 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1426705)
Ummm, I did...and I stand by my observations.
Guess I should have used pictures, literally, not a slam. They are placed by water run off from elevated tees that are just bare spots. The point is it helps nothing and does create a hazard to some of our older golfer uselessly. Sorry I could not get my point across but I have found that to be a very difficult thing to do. If I can't convince golfers who are out there how could I expect to convince the maintenance bosses. OH, by the way you don't see and
ropes by tees on championship course. That would be bad for business from paying customers. Who wants to step over or walk around ropes to get to the tee. Thanks for you comment.

genecruey 07-21-2017 07:16 PM
The point I was trying to make is they are placing ropes by tees that are not doing what they supposed to as no maintenance has been done and the little black things attached to the path do the job of keeping carts of the edge without ropes. Thanks for your feed back.

sallybowron 07-21-2017 09:47 PM
I actually tripped over a rope back home. I had a very nice trip that fall!! I have learned to watch out for them. Didn't take me long to learn.

BogeyBoy 07-22-2017 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426712)
Guess I should have used pictures, literally, not a slam. They are placed by water run off from elevated tees that are just bare spots. The point is it helps nothing and does create a hazard to some of our older golfer uselessly. Sorry I could not get my point across but I have found that to be a very difficult thing to do. If I can't convince golfers who are out there how could I expect to convince the maintenance bosses. OH, by the way you don't see and
ropes by tees on championship course. That would be bad for business from paying customers. Who wants to step over or walk around ropes to get to the tee. Thanks for you comment.
I play a lot of championship courses and do see ropes by tee boxes. (And many other places on the courses.)

rubicon 07-22-2017 05:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426716)
The point I was trying to make is they are placing ropes by tees that are not doing what they supposed to as no maintenance has been done and the little black things attached to the path do the job of keeping carts of the edge without ropes. Thanks for your feed back.
genecruey: I cannot speak to the need and/or to the maintenance people's proper application BUT the ropes do indeed create an ingredient of an accident waiting to happen.

I had received complaints in my past life where people have made claim against Target stores because they walked into the RED BALLS that are located at their front entrance...or people who have tripped over curves which were clearly painted YELLOW . The point is that the brain takes in only so much and we are all easily distracted.

So if you are correct that there is a misapplication of roping off areas then you indeed have a valid point.

Personal Best Regards:

graciegirl 07-22-2017 05:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1426788)
genecruey: I cannot speak to the need and/or to the maintenance people's proper application BUT the ropes do indeed create an ingredient of an accident waiting to happen.

I had received complaints in my past life where people have made claim against Target stores because they walked into the RED BALLS that are located at their front entrance...or people who have tripped over curves which were clearly painted YELLOW . The point is that the brain takes in only so much and we are all easily distracted.

So if you are correct that there is a misapplication of roping off areas then you indeed have a valid point.

Personal Best Regards:
I agree. AND Morgan and Morgan could make someone a rich person.

genecruey 07-22-2017 07:24 AM
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. You are one of the few that understood this was not a protest but an attempt to enhance the golfing experience by making a safer golfing environment for our many older players who have the courage and will to "get out there". I admire them so much. I'm not there yet but I pray I can still tee it up into my 80s and God willing my 90s. Again, the next time you play look at the majority of ropes by the tees and ask yourself "is it going to help/make grass grow in this spot? Is it protecting a spot from traffic or was it caused by water runoff and need to be repaired not roped"

Bonny 07-22-2017 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimivillager (Post 1426607)
My friend tripped and broke her hip recently
Tripped over a rope?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-22-2017 07:48 AM
The ropes are there to discourage people from driving their golf carts over those areas. There is always an opening in the ropes for people to walk through. You are not going to trip over the ropes if you use the walk through the opening.

genecruey 07-22-2017 08:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1426827)
The ropes are there to discourage people from driving their golf carts over those areas. There is always an opening in the ropes for people to walk through. You are not going to trip over the ropes if you use the walk through the opening.
You are right in general. But the ropes in question are protecting places that cart traffic or nothing else but maintenance could fix. No additional harm could be done. I have observed closely how much damage is done by carts and believe it or not most are places caused by the "funneling" effect of ropes. Check it out.

genecruey 07-22-2017 01:56 PM
see my rope pictures re. ropes post for photo examples

ColdNoMore 07-22-2017 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426954)
see my rope pictures re. ropes post for photo examples
I just viewed your 'rope photos' in your album...and am still shaking my head.

Although they look like a trap that could trip and catch wild elephants, in their brilliant insidiousness design, I really think I have a workable solution...if one is incapable of safely stepping over those 12" high ropes.

Just walk around them...or between the gap provided.

Aw Man 07-22-2017 03:37 PM
Ropes along tees on exec courses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426712)
......... The point is it helps nothing and does create a hazard to some of our older golfer uselessly. ..........
Seems I'm in the minority on this, but I very much agree with you. I've always felt the ropes along the teeing areas on the exec courses serve no reasonable purpose and are a unnecessary hazard for all players on the course.

genecruey 07-22-2017 03:44 PM
I take it that you missed the point. We are protecting bare areas at the expensive of safety and slower play. People have been hurt but I assume you that you think it is their fault for being careless. It's not for me or you, but I am speaking for the less fit who have indeed been injured for what you saw in the photos.

CWGUY 07-22-2017 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426995)
I take it that you missed the point. We are protecting bare areas at the expensive of safety and slower play. People have been hurt but I assume you that you think it is their fault for being careless. It's not for me or you, but I am speaking for the less fit who have indeed been injured for what you saw in the photos.
:024: Sir, you need to learn how to quote. Thank you.

ColdNoMore 07-22-2017 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1426995)
I take it that you missed the point. We are protecting bare areas at the expensive of safety and slower play. People have been hurt but I assume you that you think it is their fault for being careless. It's not for me or you, but I am speaking for the less fit who have indeed been injured for what you saw in the photos.
Then how do these people safely get in and out of bunkers...and rake their footprints?

genecruey 07-22-2017 06:02 PM
Thank you so much. This was my first time posting and I was losing faith in the lack of compassion of the responses. I tried in every way I new including pictures to show that ropes were being inappropriately placed. I know personally or have been told of trips on the ropes by the tees causing a broken shoulder, a broken hip and a sever fall of a close friend. The lack of understanding and compassion has shaken me as I love The Villages and I am it's most ardent support and I keep saying "bless those who keep teeing it up". Most reply's have ridiculed these brave folks. They do pay the same amenities fees as everyone else. Their fees help pay for the great executive course we have. I believe the maintenance crew does a fantastic job with so much play on them but they don't always get it right. Thanks again.

genecruey 07-22-2017 06:13 PM
Most of the wonderful folks I play with, that you refer to actual do not get in and out of the traps, mostly by doctors orders. A friend will get the ball, rake the trap gladly to see them out here. In any event that doesn't change the fact that the ropes are used excessive in areas that they do no good and do some harm. I am not trying to be offensive, we just disagree.

Thanks like your byline "Standing up for the underdog and against bullies...every chance I get"

It's Hot There 07-23-2017 07:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1426964)
I just viewed your 'rope photos' in your album...and am still shaking my head.

Although they look like a trap that could trip and catch wild elephants, in their brilliant insidiousness design, I really think I have a workable solution...if one is incapable of safely stepping over those 12" high ropes.

Just walk around them...or between the gap provided.
Seems logical.

genecruey 07-23-2017 09:16 AM
Thanks but the point was that they should not be in most of the places that the are. the post had nothing to do with abled bodied golfers walking around ropes. They are a hazard to the handicapped and have resulted in severe injuries. Protect our golfers not our bare dirt spots that should be fixed.

dewilson58 07-23-2017 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genecruey (Post 1427203)
Thanks but the point was that they should not be in most of the places that the are. the post had nothing to do with abled bodied golfers walking around ropes. They are a hazard to the handicapped and have resulted in severe injuries. Protect our golfers not our bare dirt spots that should be fixed.
Sometimes the ropes are in place to give guidance on where to go and where not to go. If there are bare dirt spots with a rope by it or around it........just don't go over the rope. It's simple. It's just golf.


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