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Chatbrat 07-27-2017 05:55 AM

Dog in Ricciardi's
 
Thee has been some concern about a dog inside a stroller that was let into Ricciardo's
The only animals that should be allowed into restaurants are SERVICE ANIMALS--not Comfort or Therapy animals.

If this happens the owner should ask two ?'s:

1-what is your disability ?

2-how is your animal trained to help with your disability?

There are lots of scammers that sell phony registration & dog vests on line

xcaligirl 07-27-2017 06:33 AM

Yes, anyone can purchase a "service animal" vest, etc on line however the first question cannot be asked by ANYONE! There are way too many abusers which is unfortunate for people you truly have a service animal. How can a service animal do its job in a stroller? I saw one (could be the same one) at Market of Marion in a stroller and sleeping. Might be real but I have my doubts. Just like the 'service animals' in a grocery store who are on a longer leash and all over the place. I know a few service animals and know the training they have to go through... they do not run and jump while on duty. Something needs to be done with all the fake service animals! Just my opinion

golfing eagles 07-27-2017 06:54 AM

When I first read the title of this thread, I was afraid they added a new menu item.

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 06:58 AM

Psychiatric Service Dogs (PSDs) | Service Dog Central

This is an interesting site about service dogs. Frequently Asked Questions | Service Dog Central

graciegirl 07-27-2017 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1428810)
Thee has been some concern about a dog inside a stroller that was let into Ricciardo's
The only animals that should be allowed into restaurants are SERVICE ANIMALS--not Comfort or Therapy animals.

If this happens the owner should ask two ?'s:

1-what is your disability ?

2-how is your animal trained to help with your disability?

There are lots of scammers that sell phony registration & dog vests on line

I don't believe people really NEED to have comfort animals accompany them. I think it is their way of throwing their weight around and showing off on airplanes and places that usually don't see or encourage animals to accompany their humans..

I don't think dogs are dirty and I am not offended by them. I like them a lot, but I don't like people pushing the envelope of what is usually socially accepted for all.

Our kitty would NEVER accompany us to a restaurant in a stroller, on a leash or in my arms. He just has so much class that Mikey. He goes where he is IN CHARGE, only.

Chatbrat 07-27-2017 07:14 AM

Claiming a Comfort dog is a service dog is a federal crime when the dogs owner trys to gain access when using the ADA, guidelines as a basis--Again a comfort dog is not a service dog,a therapy dog is not a service dog

graciegirl 07-27-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1428851)
Claiming a Comfort dog is a service dog is a federal crime when the dogs owner trys to gain access when using the ADA, guidelines as a basis--Again a comfort dog is not a service dog,a therapy dog is not a service dog

You are right, but think of an expensive lawsuit brought to a person without a corporate lawyer to defend. I can understand why independent businesses do not challenge this.

golfing eagles 07-27-2017 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1428854)
You are right, but think of an expensive lawsuit brought to a person without a corporate lawyer to defend. I can understand why independent businesses do not challenge this.

I agree 100% with GG. Just think of the 8 year nightmare an ADA lawsuit against the LLC has caused. I think there should be a law against abusing the law!!!!

Jayhawk 07-27-2017 07:33 AM

Ricciardi's responded and explained in a letter to the editor of the other un-named website.

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1428862)
Ricciardi's responded and explained in a letter to the editor of the other un-named website.

Thanks for that information.

bagboy 07-27-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1428862)
Ricciardi's responded and explained in a letter to the editor of the other un-named website.

I think Ricciardi's explained the situation very well in their letter and did what was required of them legally.

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1428854)
You are right, but think of an expensive lawsuit brought to a person without a corporate lawyer to defend. I can understand why independent businesses do not challenge this.

It is against the law for someone from a place of business to ask or say anything about the dog, regarding someone with a service dog.

BUT . . . there is nothing stopping you (the public) from saying something!

Chatbrat 07-27-2017 08:05 AM

IMHO--Riccardis was scammed--they most likely, they didn't know what a real"SERVICE" dog is and only. "SERVICE" dogs are covered by the ADA

karostay 07-27-2017 08:12 AM

It's unfortunate that ADA laws that help serve people with such needs also shield the ones with less than honest intentions .

Chatbrat 07-27-2017 08:31 AM

Another part of phony documentation is "a renewal date"--this way, the people selling false documentation are guaranteed an income stream

graciegirl 07-27-2017 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1428865)
I think Ricciardi's explained the situation very well in their letter and did what was required of them legally.

I agree.

You can't fight city hall. OR the ADA which I think has gotten too big for it's britches.

Here is the body of the letter; "The animal in question was a permitted Service Animal and the owner did present management with proper documentation. I feel that your posting of the letter without any additional information (ADA laws, Ricciardi’s policy on service animals, etc.) was unfair and irresponsible. The ADA law is clear that we must accommodate guests with special needs without judgement.*
Ricciardi’s policy on service animals: We do not discriminate against guests with service animals (this includes the vision impaired, psychiatric purposes, and PTSD service dogs). Once the owner provides us with the proper documentation, we must accommodate them as any other customer without judgement. We do not allow the service dogs to eat. If we see this happen, we immediately intervene. Service dogs are not allowed on the table. They must remain on the floor or in their carriers (including strollers) at all times
."

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1428890)
I agree.

You can't fight city hall. OR the ADA which I think has gotten too big for it's britches.

Here is the body of the letter; "The animal in question was a permitted Service Animal and the owner did present management with proper documentation. I feel that your posting of the letter without any additional information (ADA laws, Ricciardi’s policy on service animals, etc.) was unfair and irresponsible. The ADA law is clear that we must accommodate guests with special needs without judgement.*
Ricciardi’s policy on service animals: We do not discriminate against guests with service animals (this includes the vision impaired, psychiatric purposes, and PTSD service dogs). Once the owner provides us with the proper documentation, we must accommodate them as any other customer without judgement. We do not allow the service dogs to eat. If we see this happen, we immediately intervene. Service dogs are not allowed on the table. They must remain on the floor or in their carriers (including strollers) at all times
."

I am curious? Does this mean the dog is outside on the porch? It would seem to be that the business would be allowed reasonable accommodation. It would pose a health code violation if the dog lost control of its bowels or bladder inside.

leftyf 07-27-2017 08:44 AM

I don't like dogs in any restaurant or grocery section of any store. I saw a large dog in Walmart a couple of days ago and it had no ID of it being any kind of service dog. I asked an employee, "If I ere to come in here with a pig on a leash, would any Walmart employee question me"? She just said, "We are not allowed to".

It is not the store or the restaurants fault, it is the fault of our court system.

Bonny 07-27-2017 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1428893)
I am curious? Does this mean the dog is outside on the porch? It would seem to be that the business would be allowed reasonable accommodation. It would pose a health code violation if the dog lost control of its bowels or bladder inside.

If it was a seeing eye dog, would the blind person have to eat outside on the porch?

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1428898)
If it was a seeing eye dog, would the blind person have to eat outside on the porch?

I am trying to remember if I have seen seeing eye dogs inside of restaurants and the answer is yes I have. Frequently Asked Questions about Service Animals and the ADA

But the dog or other animal must be house broken.

Quote:

A. The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies, practices, or procedures if it would “fundamentally alter” the nature of the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public. Nor does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. If admitting service animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program, service animals may be prohibited. In addition, if a particular service animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 09:20 AM

I have lived long enough to see that common sense is nearly dead. We are so afraid of doing something "politically incorrect" that we make utter fools of ourselves and throw the baby out with the bath water.

DeanFL 07-27-2017 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by leftyf (Post 1428894)
I don't like dogs in any restaurant or grocery section of any store. I saw a large dog in Walmart a couple of days ago and it had no ID of it being any kind of service dog. I asked an employee, "If I ere to come in here with a pig on a leash, would any Walmart employee question me"? She just said, "We are not allowed to".

It is not the store or the restaurants fault, it is the fault of our court system.


Funny you should mention this. We were in Orlando airport a couple weeks ago. Walking from the gate to the tram in the Southwest Air terminal. Walking right past us going towards the gates was a couple holding a leash - with a PIG walking behind them. The portly pig had to be 35+ pounds.
Have no idea...a Service pig? really...

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1428905)
Funny you should mention this. We were in Orlando airport a couple weeks ago. Walking from the gate to the tram in the Southwest Air terminal. Walking right past us going towards the gates was a couple holding a leash - with a PIG walking behind them. The portly pig had to be 35+ pounds.
Have no idea...a Service pig? really...

I have seen these too but it has been a while.

Chatbrat 07-27-2017 09:46 AM

better believe a lot of terrorists won't get too close to the pig

justjim 07-27-2017 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1428878)
IMHO--Riccardis was scammed--they most likely, they didn't know what a real"SERVICE" dog is and only. "SERVICE" dogs are covered by the ADA

There needs to be a "Service dog" tag or another clearly visual item issued by the COUNTY that the dog is a true certified service dog. It would be up to the dog owner to provide proof to the county that his/her dog has been trained as a SERVICE DOG. This will take the pressure off the restaurant owners and go a long way in preventing unnecessary confrontations. This is in part why we pay taxes----so our governments should do this job. This issue has been ignored long enough by our Leaders.

Buckeyephan 07-27-2017 10:55 AM

According to the letter from yesterday, the dog ate at the table with the owners on a plate they brought. Disgusting! I would resent eating at a table used by a dog. Have you ever watched tables being "cleaned" at a restaurant? The letter from the restaurant said service animals don't eat. Appears not to be truthful.

Chatbrat 07-27-2017 10:58 AM

by doing this, its obvious- the dog was not a service dog

Henryk 07-27-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1428899)
I am trying to remember if I have seen seeing eye dogs inside of restaurants and the answer is yes I have. Frequently Asked Questions about Service Animals and the ADA

But the dog or other animal must be house broken.

Must the owner be housebroken too?

graciegirl 07-27-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyephan (Post 1428926)
According to the letter from yesterday, the dog ate at the table with the owners on a plate they brought. Disgusting! I would resent eating at a table used by a dog. Have you ever watched tables being "cleaned" at a restaurant? The letter from the restaurant said service animals don't eat. Appears not to be truthful.

What letter? The letter I copied from Ricciardi's appears to say that eating at table was not allowed. I will print it again.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1428890)
I agree.

You can't fight city hall. OR the ADA which I think has gotten too big for it's britches.

Here is the body of the letter; "The animal in question was a permitted Service Animal and the owner did present management with proper documentation. I feel that your posting of the letter without any additional information (ADA laws, Ricciardi’s policy on service animals, etc.) was unfair and irresponsible. The ADA law is clear that we must accommodate guests with special needs without judgement.*
Ricciardi’s policy on service animals: We do not discriminate against guests with service animals (this includes the vision impaired, psychiatric purposes, and PTSD service dogs). Once the owner provides us with the proper documentation, we must accommodate them as any other customer without judgement. We do not allow the service dogs to eat. If we see this happen, we immediately intervene. Service dogs are not allowed on the table. They must remain on the floor or in their carriers (including strollers) at all times
."

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Buckeyephan 07-27-2017 11:17 AM

The letter the restaurant was referring to was online yesterday. Joe Liguori from Ricciardi's said the posting of the letter without more information was unfair and irresponsible. I say he is the guilty one since he is not enforcing health rules to protect his guests.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyephan (Post 1428940)
The letter the restaurant was referring to was online yesterday. Joe Liguori from Ricciardi's said the posting of the letter without more information was unfair and irresponsible. I say he is the guilty one since he is not enforcing health rules to protect his guests.

I say he is over a barrel. We all know what happened to the Lifelong Learning College.

golfing eagles 07-27-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1428910)
better believe a lot of terrorists won't get too close to the pig

Now that is a GREAT idea. Put a pig in the middle seat of both sides of each row. I'd start with Iran Air.

Bonied 07-27-2017 11:47 AM

Dog in restaurant
 
What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

Rapscallion St Croix 07-27-2017 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonied (Post 1428962)
What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

Congress has prioritized, and your rights fall below those of anyone with the audacity to claim that their pet is a service dog.

npwalters 07-27-2017 12:32 PM

Dogs in a restaurant - service/comfort/or just a dog - is fine by me. I like most dogs more than I like most people.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1428987)
Dogs in a restaurant - service/comfort/or just a dog - is fine by me. I like most dogs more than I like most people.

There is a lot to be said for your view.

Sandtrap328 07-27-2017 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonied (Post 1428962)
What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

Yes, you would have to leave if it bothered you. To deny persons with disabilities their right to have an actual service animal with them would be discriminatory. Notice that I said ACTUAL and not just having Fluffy as a dinner companion.

No, the dog cannot eat at the restaurant nor sit on the chair but must remain on the floor. True service dogs are trained like that.

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonied (Post 1428962)
What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

You have no rights when it comes to a bonafide service dog.
The service dog's ability to be anywhere supersedes any right you think you may have.
Unless the dog was sitting very close you, I doubt you would be bothered.

Wiotte 07-27-2017 02:07 PM

Dog in Ricciardi's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leftyf (Post 1428894)
I don't like dogs in any restaurant or grocery section of any store. I saw a large dog in Walmart a couple of days ago and it had no ID of it being any kind of service dog. I asked an employee, "If I ere to come in here with a pig on a leash, would any Walmart employee question me"? She just said, "We are not allowed to".

It is not the store or the restaurants fault, it is the fault of our court system.



I think we saw the same dog. A golden retriever led by a man (looking as if he were smirking) and a woman with him. Another entitled idiot. I can not imagine how or by what kind of parents this man was raised by.


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