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Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 10:59 AM

We lost another dog.
 
Another dog snatched from yard by a coyote.

This happened very late last night (7-27-2017) to a favorite dog at Doggie Doo Run Run. Occurred south of Sumter Landing though.

Still very raw for its owners so will not go into details unless the owners choose to share this with the public via some other media.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1428929)
Another dog snatched from yard by a coyote.

This happened very late last night (7-27-2017) to a favorite dog at Doggie Doo Run Run. Occurred south of Sumter Landing though.

Still very raw for its owners so will not go into details unless the owners choose to share this with the public via some other media.

I am very sad to hear this.

The last time there was a thread of coyotes, there was a picture of a ripped screen on a lanai that was obviously not one of our lanai's here in The Villages. I see nothing wrong with people being very careful of their pets and children but I don't like rumors spread that are incorrect. And alarms raised that are bogus. Do you know these folks personally, Tal or just heard of them?

Sandtrap328 07-27-2017 12:47 PM

It happened "very late at night"? Was the dog let out without a short leash to do it's business?

What kind of dog? Exactly where did this happen? Was the owner outside with the dog when it happened?

Naturally, everyone is sorry for pet owners to lose a pet but ...

Gracie is right - as in most things - that rumors and bogus alerts are not helpful to anyone. It is always best to have full facts available before posting.

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 02:53 PM

I know these people who own the dog well from Doggie Doo Run Run. This is from a phone call made from one of the owners to another dog park regular from the person who opened the door to let out the dog to pee about 3:30 AM and then heard the dog being carried off by an animal of some kind. That's all the details I have except that the other owner of the pooch was crying in the background during the call. I assume the dog was not on a leash when it was let out to pee. It is also probably a coyote that did this.

The Village is Pennecamp.

Both of these people are devasted, of course, by the loss of the dog as are the many people at Doggie Doo Run Run who know these dogs. They have three but the little guy was the one who needed to pee.

I take a golf club when I go out at night and have the dog on a very short leash. And there definitely are coyotes out at night here in Lynnhaven.

They may not want to talk about this to the press because of the mistake that was made probably by someone half-asleep. And I expect that they may want to keep this private for the most part so I should not say anything more than this.

Chi-Town 07-27-2017 03:36 PM

Unfortunately, the stories occur everywhere. I lived in a suburb of Chicago, and owners were surprised that coyotes even existed there. But the reality is that they adapt quickly to just about any environment and we need to make adjustments in tending to our pets. Even though this link is about the suburbs it applies here also.

Chicago Suburb Announces Plan to 'Coexist' With Coyotes - NBC Chicago

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Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1429084)
Unfortunately, the stories occur everywhere. I lived in a suburb of Chicago, and owners were surprised that coyotes even existed there. But the reality is that they adapt quickly to just about any environment and we need to make adjustments in tending to our pets. Even though this link is about the suburbs it applies here also.

Chicago Suburb Announces Plan to 'Coexist' With Coyotes - NBC Chicago

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It is hard when it is a dog I would see sometimes ever day and a good friend of Beau. He will be missed by just about everyone at Doggie Doo Run Run from the big dog and big field areas. The pooch would hang around with his much bigger sisters. I will remember 7/27/2017 the rest of my life and with quite a lot of disappointment and sadness. And the lost dog happens to be named after a character on Game of Thrones which will be extra hard for these two people when trying to watch this show in the future.

jsw14 07-27-2017 03:58 PM

YIKE's So Sad.....:22yikes:

Chi-Town 07-27-2017 09:59 PM

We keep reading about coyotes in The Villages but no photos. All our cell phones and no photos. A bunch of us were playing Saddlebrook one day, and a bobcat sauntered by. Snap and here it is. Let's get some coyote pics.

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KathieI 07-27-2017 10:31 PM

I'm sorry to hear that Tal. It must be so upsetting for that family. I am constantly aware of these wild animals where my dogs are concerned and my greatest fear is losing one of them in this manner. My friend has a small dog who loves to go out the doggie door and although there is some fencing around his house, I worry that a predator might be lurking some day and I advise him all the time to close the doggie door overnight. Some night when I come home late from dancing, I do see coyotes lurking around the streets and it scares me to death. Sorry for the loss of that precious pet.

SALYBOW 07-27-2017 10:42 PM

yikes
 
I had no idea this was happening in peoples yards. I guess I thought a CV would eliminate this problem.
:doggie: This is my little Gracie Girl. I know she is old but I don't want her to go in that cruel way. When she crossed the rainbow bridge i want her to be held in my arms.

Miles42 07-27-2017 11:21 PM

trap them

Carl in Tampa 07-27-2017 11:43 PM

Photo safari
 
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1429208)
We keep reading about coyotes in The Villages but no photos. All our cell phones and no photos. A bunch of us were playing Saddlebrook one day, and a bobcat sauntered by. Snap and here it is. Let's get some coyote pics.

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Coyotes tend to be nocturnal in heavily populated areas, so opportunities for photos would be limited.

Someone might want to launch a photo shoot at night with a quality camera instead of a cell phone. Maybe two people; one to walk the dog on a leash and the other to take the photos.

Taltarzac725 07-28-2017 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1429223)
Coyotes tend to be nocturnal in heavily populated areas, so opportunities for photos would be limited.

Someone might want to launch a photo shoot at night with a quality camera instead of a cell phone. Maybe two people; one to walk the dog on a leash and the other to take the photos.

I am still sticking with the golf club Carl in Tampa when out in the late afternoon and late evening. A five club also makes a good cane of sorts with its convenient handle. Also use a very short leash and keep eyes scanning around for critters.

Chatbrat 07-28-2017 04:05 AM

Taurus Judge with 5 410 shells-PDF loads--lots of times Coyotes run in packs

raynan 07-28-2017 08:00 AM

Don't forget the owls and hawks. Huge wingspans and can lift small pets.

Rapscallion St Croix 07-28-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1429223)
Coyotes tend to be nocturnal in heavily populated areas, so opportunities for photos would be limited.

Someone might want to launch a photo shoot at night with a quality camera instead of a cell phone. Maybe two people; one to walk the dog on a leash and the other to take the photos.

Splendid idea. I might nominate this for inclusion into the "Hold My Beer and Watch This" Hall of Fame.

Sandtrap328 07-28-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by raynan (Post 1429278)
Don't forget the owls and hawks. Huge wingspans and can lift small pets.

Absolutely right. Lots of dangerous things for pets - and grandchildren.

Don't forget the fire ants, brown recluse spiders, pygmy rattlesnakes, coral snakes, water moccasins just to mention a few.

Many folks bought a courtyard villa for the walled in yard for a dog to run around in. Coyotes can jump, hawks can fly in, and the fire ants will come in. Snakes and spiders will get in, too.

Taltarzac725 07-28-2017 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by raynan (Post 1429278)
Don't forget the owls and hawks. Huge wingspans and can lift small pets.

There was a large bird of prey that was killing some of the ducks in our neighborhood and even left a half-eaten carcass of one on the front door of a neighbor. I believe this was a falcon but am not sure.

Chi-Town 07-28-2017 09:24 AM

As the prey increases so do the predators. Keep in mind that an unleashed chihuahua and an outdoor cat are prey

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Miles42 07-28-2017 11:14 AM

Don't let your pets run free .

gap2415 07-28-2017 01:44 PM

We are cautious but not paranoid. Bobcats lived in tall grass very near our last house and never bothered our two cats in the pool lanai. The cats came inside at dusk though. Around here everything seems much leaner and perhaps hungrier. Dusk I believe is the time to be extra cautious as animals know some are heading to their dens and others just coming out hoping to cross paths. I would walk the dog earlier if possible.

Taltarzac725 07-28-2017 06:40 PM

The details are in an article on that other site. Jon Snow was very beloved by people at the dog park as well as Susan C.

fred53 07-28-2017 07:56 PM

Always sad to hear this, but you have to wonder what people are thinking when they: a)let their out off leash...illegally b)let a dog out on it's own when it's bit sized for coyotes and gators. What are people thinking...or not thinking. Sorry, but my sympathy is of the dog...not the ignorant owner.

Sandtrap328 07-28-2017 08:54 PM

Absolutely right. Letting a dog outside at 3:30 a.m. offleash is just irresponsible. The owner should have put a short leash on the dog and walked outside with him. The dog would still be here.

Isn't there a two dog limit per household?

Taltarzac725 07-28-2017 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1429586)
Absolutely right. Letting a dog outside at 3:30 a.m. offleash is just irresponsible. The owner should have put a short leash on the dog and walked outside with him. The dog would still be here.

Isn't there a two dog limit per household?

Not if you move here with three dogs like her, her husband and others. She has a big family. She did a brave thing putting it online as there are always critics. Not so many if you put it in The Villages Daily Sun as most of that is not online. But stuff online stays up visible for quite some time.

She is trying to make sure that others do not make the same heartbreaking mistake.

salpal 07-29-2017 06:45 AM

Skeptics -- when I heard about the coyote snatching the dog in Tall Trees, I immediately stopped my habit of letting my two small dogs follow me to get the newspaper in the morning. It is a good thing I did, because one week later, I saw a coyote in the middle of the street in front of next door neighbors. Now, not to be funny during someone's tragedy, but I had never seen a coyote. Thinking it was a lost dog, I called to the "dog" - "here boy, here boy" -- thankfully it ran off. I came in the house and googled images of coyotes and realized my stupidity. Those who doubt that coyotes are roaming the neighborhood may lose a pet. They are out there and we all need to watch our fur babies. I live in Bonita if you are wondering.

Taltarzac725 07-29-2017 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by salpal (Post 1429650)
Skeptics -- when I heard about the coyote snatching the dog in Tall Trees, I immediately stopped my habit of letting my two small dogs follow me to get the newspaper in the morning. It is a good thing I did, because one week later, I saw a coyote in the middle of the street in front of next door neighbors. Now, not to be funny during someone's tragedy, but I had never seen a coyote. Thinking it was a lost dog, I called to the "dog" - "here boy, here boy" -- thankfully it ran off. I came in the house and googled images of coyotes and realized my stupidity. Those who doubt that coyotes are roaming the neighborhood may lose a pet. They are out there and we all need to watch our fur babies. I live in Bonita if you are wondering.

People should also remember that some of us live with parents, kids, friends, partners, etc. who may be half-asleep, drunk, or have some kind of Alzheimer's or cognitive disability involved who may also let the dog out while not thinking clearly. Or sometimes just do not get the door shut properly.

I saw a coyote trotting here in Lynnhaven at 3:00 PM about five months ago and thought it was a lose German Shepherd as it was that size. Then I got closer and saw that it was something quite different from the way it moved and looked at its surroundings. I had my dog in the car while returning from going to the vet and had been thinking of picking this dog up. I will bet there were some frightened golfers too on the Belmont course as this coyote headed towards the Lake Miona area where I have heard there is a pack. Just a rumor though. This was probably the alpha from its size and confidence. It also sounds like the animal that snatched Bailey in Tall Trees last week as this was also very large for a coyote.

bagboy 07-29-2017 09:13 AM

I have seen one coyote in The Villages. It was pre-dawn crossing Triggerfish in Pennecamp. I assumed it was hunting for food. I have heard coyotes occasionally off property probably within a mile of Lake Miona so I don't doubt there is a pack near there. When you hear them, there is no mistaking them for anything other than what they are.

PromisesKept 07-29-2017 09:26 AM

Maybe it's time to allow us to put up fences for protection!

autumnspring 07-29-2017 10:19 AM

Sadly you are totally wrong
 
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Originally Posted by fred53 (Post 1429564)
Always sad to hear this, but you have to wonder what people are thinking when they: a)let their out off leash...illegally b)let a dog out on it's own when it's bit sized for coyotes and gators. What are people thinking...or not thinking. Sorry, but my sympathy is of the dog...not the ignorant owner.

We know these people, we knew the dog.

Taltarzac725 07-29-2017 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by suesiegel (Post 1429760)
We know these people, we knew the dog.

I know them too and loved that dog Jon Snow. They were very responsible when it came to their dogs. Just Jon Snow was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I worry about my dog and golf carts and cars as he likes to cross the street a lot. And I do not hear some of these electric cars and golf carts approaching.

This is an extremely nice family from my interactions with them over the past three years or so.

They should be careful though as there some rather large coyotes out there as well. They might be able to take down a good sized dog but probably would not be able to take it away.

There seems to be a pack around the Lake Miona area. I do not hear coyotes at night here in Lynnhaven but they are out and about according to people who have seen them here and there in this area.

Beau our chihuahua/terrier often greeted Jon Snow at Doggie Doo Run Run and vice versa. One of the few dogs he ever paid much attention too.

And the visiting kids at the dog park would often pet Jon Snow and then Beau or Beau and then Jon Snow.

Kazmi 07-30-2017 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1429787)
I know them too and loved that dog Jon Snow. They were very responsible when it came to their dogs. Just Jon Snow was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I worry about my dog and golf carts and cars as he likes to cross the street a lot. And I do not hear some of these electric cars and golf carts approaching.

This is an extremely nice family from my interactions with them over the past three years or so.

They should be careful though as there some rather large coyotes out there as well. They might be able to take down a good sized dog but probably would not be able to take it away.

There seems to be a pack around the Lake Miona area. I do not hear coyotes at night here in Lynnhaven but they are out and about according to people who have seen them here and there in this area.

Beau our chihuahua/terrier often greeted Jon Snow at Doggie Doo Run Run and vice versa. One of the few dogs he ever paid much attention too.

And the visiting kids at the dog park would often pet Jon Snow and then Beau or Beau and then Jon Snow.


In my neck of the woods (MI) coyote are making a dent in the large population of deer. A few months ago if an alert owner not far from my home hadn't gone looking for their adult collie they had let out for the night, the pack that had him surrounded may have done more damage than the ear that the poor dog lost to the pack. A lone coyote will feed on the smaller prey. Larger animals are no match for a pack of coyote. Keep a watch on all furbabies of any size.

Breaks my heart every time I read about another one taken.

Barefoot 07-30-2017 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PromisesKept (Post 1429737)
Maybe it's time to allow us to put up fences for protection!

Coyotes can jump fences in CYVs. Eagles can carry small dogs away. Fences don't necessarily mean safety from predators.

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1429729)
I have seen one coyote in The Villages. It was pre-dawn crossing Triggerfish in Pennecamp.

I saw a coyote on Churchill Downs Golf Course in back of our house.
Coyotes are out there in all villages, and we should all be cautious.
It's important to walk all pets on leashes.

kittygilchrist 07-30-2017 09:00 PM

I can't help sayin I told you so.

Taltarzac725 07-30-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 1430385)
I can't help sayin I told you so.

Not sure what we can do about the coyotes here in this area. The alligators are here. They get too big and we move them or kill them. Does not seem to be any simple solution.

My father was telling me about his boss who used to hunt them for their hides. Sounds barbaric to me but that was in Nevada. That does not seem to fit in with a retirement community in Florida.

FWC - Land Mammals - Coyote

Carl in Tampa 07-30-2017 10:07 PM

Protect your pets.
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1430395)
Not sure what we can do about the coyotes here in this area. The alligators are here. They get too big and we move them or kill them. Does not seem to be any simple solution.

My father was telling me about his boss who used to hunt them for their hides. Sounds barbaric to me but that was in Nevada. That does not seem to fit in with a retirement community in Florida.

FWC - Land Mammals - Coyote

Coyotes may be hunted and/or trapped year around in Florida. However, as I believe I have previously pointed out, there is virtually no place in The Villages where it would be legal to discharge a firearm.

The coyote problem can only be addressed by the Morse family, if they choose to do so, by hiring licensed trappers to work on the problem in the open areas owned by the family.

Only licensed trappers may sell the coyote hides. Apparently there is a market for this.

The coyotes will never all be eliminated. It has been tried in a lot of locations, without success.

Do not let your pets roam free. They can be snatched up in seconds.

CFrance 07-30-2017 10:17 PM

And if your pet is acting out of character in the middle of the night, it's natural to think that he needs to go out to do his business. But it may be that he's acting out of character because he senses a predator outside. Just be sure to leash him and go out there with him, fence or no fence.

Barefoot 07-30-2017 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1430407)
And if your pet is acting out of character in the middle of the night, it's natural to think that he needs to go out to do his business. But it may be that he's acting out of character because he senses a predator outside. Just be sure to leash him and go out there with him, fence or no fence.

Excellent comment.
As Carl in Tampa said "Do not let your pets roam free. They can be snatched up in seconds."

Annarachel 07-31-2017 05:57 AM

Sorry for your loss.
 
Good morning,can we set traps for the coyotes????I own a house in pine ridge. we saw one when we came home around midnight about 4 months ago.

BobsBurgers 07-31-2017 06:27 AM

Coyotes
 
Hello Everyone. Newbie here.

I must admit, this is an issue I never considered when moving here to TV.

I thought my tiny fur babies were fairly safe, as we have one of the few fully fenced backyards in Pine Hills. But now I feel like a total lunatic following them in to the backyard carrying a broomstick as a weapon. 😳


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