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PennBF 08-13-2017 11:19 AM

Village History Buffs
 
I thought it would be interesting to test the Villager's History knowledge since there are some smart people here. Who was behind the following quotes:
1. "..and that government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish from the earth", 2. "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" 3. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itselt". I will give the answers after a few responses have been received. :ho:

Taltarzac725 08-13-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435421)
I thought it would be interesting to test the Villager's History knowledge since there are some smart people here. Who was behind the following quotes:
1. "..and that government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish from the earth", 2. "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" 3. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itselt". I will give the answers after a few responses have been received. :ho:

All US President quotes. That's all I will say.

Rapscallion St Croix 08-13-2017 11:32 AM

Those are easy ones.

mixsonci 08-13-2017 11:37 AM

1. Bill Pullman from Independence Day
2. Kennedy
3. Roosevelt???

PennBF 08-13-2017 11:37 AM

Not Easy
 
These are not as easy as you think but I will leave it at that.:ho:

PennBF 08-13-2017 11:39 AM

So Far
 
So far none are correct..!!:ho:

Arctic Fox 08-13-2017 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435421)
2. "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Plagiarized by JFK from his headmaster - but who knows if he stole it from someone else?

Lottoguy 08-13-2017 12:01 PM

Too easy, Lincoln, JFK, FDR.

PennBF 08-13-2017 12:51 PM

Not Easy
 
These are not trick questions and are sourced from a solid research study and so far none of the responses are accurate.:popcorn:

PennBF 08-13-2017 02:00 PM

Clarify
 
It is interesting that some great statements are not
credited to the true creator's .

Here are the results: The authors and original creator of the famous quotes.

"..Government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish from this earth"

Source: Theodore Parker, A Reforming Minister of the
Unitarian Church. His words and quotations were inspirations to Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther Jr. Etc.

"Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country"

Source: Oliver Wendell Holmes, Associate of the Supreme court, etc.

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Source: A reporter for the New York Herald. A political
advisor of President Roosevelt. :coolsmiley:

Carl in Tampa 08-13-2017 02:07 PM

Well........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435465)
These are not trick questions and are sourced from a solid research study and so far none of the responses are accurate.:popcorn:

Of course they are "trick questions." When you ask "Who was behind the following quotes:" you have misdirected people to answer with the name of the famous person associated with them.

Until people have your definition of "behind" the quotes, they are taking shots in the dark. "Behind" could mean the ultimate author, or it could mean who was the famous person's speech writer.

By the way........... In 1384, John Wycliffe wrote in the prologue to his translation of the Bible, “The Bible is for the Government of the People, by the People, and for the People”

Arctic Fox 08-13-2017 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435465)
These are not trick questions...:

Tough call, but I'd have to side with PennBF on this one.

The "obvious" answers were so easy that clearly one was required to put a little more thinking into it.

We'll never know if the three "correct" answers were the true originators, or if they themselves were paraphrasing something they'd heard, but it is interesting how we are quick to give famous people the credit for things which, often, they have "borrowed" from others.

Carl in Tampa 08-13-2017 02:34 PM

And then there is this........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435492)
It is interesting that some great statements are not
credited to the true creator's .

Here are the results: The authors and original creator of the famous quotes.

"..Government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish from this earth"

Source: Theodore Parker, A Reforming Minister of the
Unitarian Church. His words and quotations were inspirations to Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther Jr. Etc.


"Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country"

Source: Oliver Wendell Holmes, Associate of the Supreme court, etc.

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Source: A reporter for the New York Herald. A political
advisor of President Roosevelt. :coolsmiley:

Well, history is a slippery thing. If you keep digging you might find that Parker had a source too. Parker was very likely familiar with Daniel Webster's statements referring to "The people's government, made for the people, made by the people, and answerable to the people" in a speech on Foot's Resolution (26 January 1830.)

And, again, Wycliffe predated them all with his 1384 preface to his translation of the Bible into English.

Carl in Tampa 08-13-2017 02:50 PM

New question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1435508)
Tough call, but I'd have to side with PennBF on this one.

The "obvious" answers were so easy that clearly one was required to put a little more thinking into it.

We'll never know if the three "correct" answers were the true originators, or if they themselves were paraphrasing something they'd heard, but it is interesting how we are quick to give famous people the credit for things which, often, they have "borrowed" from others.

Arguably, in view of the fact that so many respondents gave incorrect answers, and named the famous individuals with whom the quotes were associated, ...... they were tricked; thus the questions were trick questions.

But, that aside.........it was an interesting exercise.

In that spirit, who was behind the phrase "Nattering nabobs of negativism," referring variously to the news media and to political opponents of President Nixon?

manaboutown 08-13-2017 05:59 PM

Definitely questions to ponder and research...

SFSkol 08-13-2017 07:55 PM

Obviously a better answer:

Mary Ann Todd Lincoln
Jacqueline Lee Kennedy
Anna Eleanor Roosevelt

"Behind every great man is a great woman"

Arctic Fox 08-13-2017 08:04 PM

I must confess, I enjoy annoying my friends on Facebook with similar "trick" questions

My favorite regarding quotations: who came up with the phrase "survival of the fittest"?

chuckinca 08-13-2017 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1435422)
All US President quotes. That's all I will say.


Not.

(aka I don't think so)

Polar Bear 08-13-2017 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1435515)
...thus the questions were trick questions...

Definitely.

ColdNoMore 08-13-2017 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFSkol (Post 1435596)
Obviously a better answer:

Mary Ann Todd Lincoln
Jacqueline Lee Kennedy
Anna Eleanor Roosevelt

"Behind every great man is a great woman"

Very clever. :D

Carl in Tampa 08-14-2017 12:02 AM

Spencer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1435600)
I must confess, I enjoy annoying my friends on Facebook with similar "trick" questions

My favorite regarding quotations: who came up with the phrase "survival of the fittest"?

English philosopher and biologist Herbert Spencer is credited with originating the phrase in his book Principles of Biology (1864) after reading Darwin's On the Origin of Species.

Alfred Russell Wallace, an associate of Darwin, suggested to Darwin that the phrase well described Darwin's term Natural Selection. Darwin agreed, and included the term in his fourth edition of On the Origin of Species.

How did we ever do research without a web browser?

PennBF 08-14-2017 07:12 AM

Nobody Asked
 
Although nobody asked I thought I would give the source of the questions in my note. It was "Special Issue, The Presidency" Life Magazine July 5, 1968. :wave:

Taltarzac725 08-14-2017 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435653)
Although nobody asked I thought I would give the source of the questions in my note. It was "Special Issue, The Presidency" Life Magazine July 5, 1968. :wave:

Those did seem to be tricky questions. And the person who actually came up with some idea is often quite hard to pinpoint as others have mentioned.

PennBF 08-14-2017 07:23 AM

One Last Point
 
One last point and I will get off the subject. I felt that some of the things posted just don't add to our knowledge. In this case I see that 533 had viewed the submission which means 533 were able to challenge their mind just a little.
It is more healthy than just reading with no purpose.:wave:

dewilson58 08-14-2017 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1435659)
One last point and I will get off the subject. I felt that some of the things posted just don't add to our knowledge. In this case I see that 533 had viewed the submission which means 533 were able to challenge their mind just a little.
It is more healthy than just reading with no purpose.:wave:

Was not challenged.
Maybe entertained.

PennBF 08-14-2017 08:28 AM

Not Neccessarily
 
One mans entertainment is another mans challenge. :wave:

Arctic Fox 08-14-2017 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1435626)
English philosopher and biologist Herbert Spencer is credited with originating the phrase in his book Principles of Biology (1864) after reading Darwin's On the Origin of Species.

Alfred Russell Wallace, an associate of Darwin, suggested to Darwin that the phrase well described Darwin's term Natural Selection. Darwin agreed, and included the term in his fourth edition of On the Origin of Species.

Spot on. And Darwin was happy to acknowledge that Spencer's "survival of the fittest" was a better description than his own "natural selection", rather than just using the term as if he had come up with it.


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