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lorilorilori 09-03-2017 10:53 AM

Storage shed
 
Any suggestions or ideas for a Storage Shed at a Courtyard Villa?

Build one from a contractor ?
Buy a plastic one ?

Want it to store outdoor equipment and not take up space in the garage.

Bogie Shooter 09-03-2017 12:02 PM

You may want to read your deed restrictions.

Kahuna32162 09-03-2017 12:05 PM

Looks like a pending annomous future complaint.

Wiotte 09-03-2017 12:20 PM

Storage shed
 
It's a courtyard villa. No one will see it.

Amazon.com: storage sheds outdoor

njbchbum 09-03-2017 12:22 PM

Bogie is correct! Most deed restrictions do not permit structures that are NOT attached to the house. More likely that your storage idea would need to be constructed as physically attached...AND...require the approval of the Architectural Review Committee.

If the deed restrictions for your District are not handy, you can look them up here - as well as review the External Deed Restriction Standards, too: VCDD Community Standards

Carl in Tampa 09-03-2017 12:23 PM

Good Luck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1443036)
You may want to read your deed restrictions.

:agree:

Probably forbidden. A "free standing" plastic one is almost surely out of the question. Anything else might require building code approvals that would probably be withheld.

njbchbum 09-03-2017 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1443048)
It's a courtyard villa. No one will see it.

Wanna bet? lol

Wiotte 09-03-2017 12:24 PM

Again, it's a courtyard villa, no one will see it.

fred53 09-03-2017 12:28 PM

And it's this attitude...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1443054)
Again, it's a courtyard villa, no one will see it.

that is a problem. You bought here...knowing there are restrictions. If you don't like them move.

Fredster 09-03-2017 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1443054)
Again, it's a courtyard villa, no one will see it.

Rumor has it that some of the deed restriction trolls,
are planning to use drones to spot violations from on high! :1rotfl:

Bonnevie 09-03-2017 01:34 PM

after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

Mleeja 09-03-2017 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1443008)
Any suggestions or ideas for a Storage Shed at a Courtyard Villa?

Build one from a contractor ?
Buy a plastic one ?

Want it to store outdoor equipment and not take up space in the garage.

I guess the question is what are you going to store? There are storage benches that folks use to store seat cushions etc. They are also patio seating. i can see at least two of these in my neighbors back yards. This would seem to be acceptable as outside storage.

Sandtrap328 09-03-2017 02:06 PM

To be sure that a storage shed would be allowed in a courtyard villa yard, call the Deed Restrictions office and ask them. Better yet, get the ARC to give WRITTEN permission.

rubicon 09-03-2017 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1443068)
after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

JoMar 09-03-2017 02:28 PM

I think the OP was stirring a bit......the OP wouldn't have purchased without reading the deed restrictions.....nobody does that right? :)

jsw14 09-03-2017 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1443068)
after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

I Agree Bonnevie. Get a Plastic one, It's like ur Not go'in put it in ur driveway so everybody can see it next to ur garage door:thumbup:

Fredster 09-03-2017 02:56 PM

I understand the value of deed restrictions or
we would have all kinds of storage structures
being installed on properties.
So check your deed restrictions.

What I personally believe is problematic about the enforcement system, is that it is totally complaint driven,
and because of that, deed restriction violations are not uniformly enforced.
I will not say what they are, but I know of a large number of homes that are not in compliance,
but because the violations are not really ugly and because no one has complained they exist.

rubicon 09-03-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsw14 (Post 1443096)
I Agree Bonnevie. Get a Plastic one, It's like ur Not go'in put it in ur driveway so everybody can see it next to ur garage door:thumbup:

I see from your public profile that you live in Springdale.
Thank God. And yes I know your reply will be " I'll have another beer on that"

jsw14 09-03-2017 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1443102)
I understand the value of deed restrictions or
we would have all kinds of storage structures
being installed on properties.
So check your deed restrictions.

What I personally believe is problematic about the enforcement system, is that it is totally complaint driven,
and because of that, deed restriction violations are not uniformly enforced.
I will not say what they are, but I know of a large number of homes that are not in compliance,
but because the violations are not really ugly and because no one has complained they exist.

Hmmmm, ru say'in U peek-over the Villa wall's?? Just ask'in....

Fredster 09-03-2017 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsw14 (Post 1443105)
Hmmmm, ru say'in U peek-over the Villa wall's?? Just ask'in....

No peeking over walls is necessary, they are in plain sight!:eek:

jsw14 09-03-2017 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1443107)
No peeking over walls is necessary, they are in plain sight!:eek:

Hmmm, Personalty I don't look for homes that are Not in compliance with the TV Deed... Plus I can't see it from my house..:smiley:

drdodge 09-03-2017 03:23 PM

Find a contractor and have them build it you will not a build permitbut i would check with build inspector. Keep it around 600to 800 square feet, the plastic ones are crap i had one one courtyard villa, build it in the rear to the left, just beyond the master bedroom
darrell

John_W 09-03-2017 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1443008)
Any suggestions or ideas for a Storage Shed at a Courtyard Villa?

You're in a new CYV, so your back masonry wall is 7' high and your side vinyl fencing is 6-1/2' high, that's what mine are. So there's no reason anyone should be able to see one of these. I was in Sam's Club a couple of days ago and they were on sale for $99.96 and they had them in stock.

If a curious person considered that an eyesore, I've got a neighbor in a CYV with a huge birdcase with a hot tub and a big rock waterfall and that storage box is not as tall as either the hot tub or his waterfall. I don't see how they could approve them and not approve a small storage box like this, that is if you bothered to ask. I've looked at these, and they can easily hold a few rakes and hand tools or a lawn mower.

https://images.samsclubresources.com...0&op_sharpen=1

Keter Rockwood 150-Gallon Outdoor Plastic Storage Box, Brown - Sam's Club

Bogie Shooter 09-03-2017 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1443068)
after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

Why sure just go ahead without checking the rules. Hell, you might even get away with it........

fw102807 09-03-2017 05:24 PM

It is our understanding that our CYV deed allows anything that is below the wall and cannot be viewed from the street.

lorilorilori 09-03-2017 05:28 PM

You bought here...knowing there are restrictions. If you don't like them move.

I asked the ???? because I bought here
I want to know the restrictions,
so I do things right - not to move !!!

Ecuadog 09-03-2017 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1443146)
I asked the ???? because I bought here
I want to know the restrictions,
so I do things right - not to move !!!

Welcome lorilorilori. You'll be just fine.

Chi33 09-03-2017 06:16 PM

You are in a Courtyard Villa, right. Don't listen to the biddies, buffers, goats, old bats and old goats. If no one can see it, do it. I don't see a BBQ listed on the lease. Plus, I know people who have done the boxes, and PM me and I will give you a call and you can come and see one. PS: Get a plastic one and keep good stuff in garage.

People are mean here if you do not go to their meetings (I did or did I?)

jchase 09-03-2017 07:15 PM

If they can't see it, don't worry about it!

CFrance 09-03-2017 07:49 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Here is an example of a rule and how to break it.:evil6:
(For you, DB.;) )

HimandMe 09-04-2017 07:02 AM

Some communities have a standard shed they allow that can handle wind etc and one color, size throughout the community. It can only be put in a certain area that is discrete near the house. They look neat and solve a lot of storage problems for items not needing to be inside.

Bogie Shooter 09-04-2017 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi33 (Post 1443156)
You are in a Courtyard Villa, right. Don't listen to the biddies, buffers, goats, old bats and old goats. If no one can see it, do it. I don't see a BBQ listed on the lease. Plus, I know people who have done the boxes, and PM me and I will give you a call and you can come and see one. PS: Get a plastic one and keep good stuff in garage.

People are mean here if you do not go to their meetings (I did or did I?)

What meetings?

Bogie Shooter 09-04-2017 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HimandMe (Post 1443241)
Some communities have a standard shed they allow that can handle wind etc and one color, size throughout the community. It can only be put in a certain area that is discrete near the house. They look neat and solve a lot of storage problems for items not needing to be inside.

And some communities allow chickens...............

Bonnevie 09-04-2017 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1443089)
NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

I respect your opinion and I, too, want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhoods. but for me personally, if I can't see something, it doesn't bother me. btw, I have lived in Florida for over 30 years so I'm familiar with what you speak about. I think there's a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. so as long as the part of one's property that is exposed is presentable, I'm happy.

collie1228 09-04-2017 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1443048)
It's a courtyard villa. No one will see it.

Amazon.com: storage sheds outdoor

Not true. I'm looking out my lanai windows at a deed violating storage shed in my neighbor's yard right now. I don't have to peek over the wall to see it - the entire roof line is visible. Doesn't bother me at all, in fact it looks rather nice, but if someone complains, the powers that be will force them to remove it.

Trayderjoe 09-04-2017 10:05 AM

Slippery Slope
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1443089)
NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1443265)
I respect your opinion and I, too, want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhoods. but for me personally, if I can't see something, it doesn't bother me. btw, I have lived in Florida for over 30 years so I'm familiar with what you speak about. I think there's a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. so as long as the part of one's property that is exposed is presentable, I'm happy.

I agree with Rubicon and others that the deed restrictions need to be followed (the letter versus the spirit). We were informed of the deed restrictions PRIOR TO buying our home and I can assure you that there was no one in the closing meeting that held any sort of weapon or leverage on me (other than my wife.....<g>) to buy our home here.

There is a very slippery slope here that we can COMPLETELY avoid if we followed the restrictions WE AGREED to follow when the home was purchased. While the discussion in this thread is relative to storage sheds, when there is a tacit agreement to violate a deed restriction because the topic of discussion doesn't bother a person one way or the other, just change the topic a little. How would you feel if your neighbor decided to adopt another dog or two in addition to the two they already had when they moved in? How about putting up inflatable displays (outside of approved time frames) in a yard? Pick another example if you like, it doesn't matter how small or large the issue may be to you.

All of the scenarios above may not bother someone, but each and every one of them might bother someone who chose to live here in part because of the deed restrictions. If you perceive the deed restrictions to be too onerous, then either sell your home and move to a neighborhood that will allow you the "freedom" that apparently The Villages does not offer to you, or follow the deed restrictions and just enjoy living here.

The slippery slope starts when we venture from the objective to the subjective. There are those who grouse about people turning them in for deed restrictions, those who complain about deed restriction violators, and those who pick and choose which restriction needs to be followed. All of that can easily be avoided if we don't go down the slope. Wouldn't life be so much simpler if we "manned up" and accepted responsibility for our choice to live here?

Fredster 09-04-2017 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 1443313)
I agree with Rubicon and others that the deed restrictions need to be followed (the letter versus the spirit). We were informed of the deed restrictions PRIOR TO buying our home and I can assure you that there was no one in the closing meeting that held any sort of weapon or leverage on me (other than my wife.....<g>) to buy our home here.

There is a very slippery slope here that we can COMPLETELY avoid if we followed the restrictions WE AGREED to follow when the home was purchased. While the discussion in this thread is relative to storage sheds, when there is a tacit agreement to violate a deed restriction because the topic of discussion doesn't bother a person one way or the other, just change the topic a little. How would you feel if your neighbor decided to adopt another dog or two in addition to the two they already had when they moved in? How about putting up inflatable displays (outside of approved time frames) in a yard? Pick another example if you like, it doesn't matter how small or large the issue may be to you.

All of the scenarios above may not bother someone, but each and every one of them might bother someone who chose to live here in part because of the deed restrictions. If you perceive the deed restrictions to be too onerous, then either sell your home and move to a neighborhood that will allow you the "freedom" that apparently The Villages does not offer to you, or follow the deed restrictions and just enjoy living here.

The slippery slope starts when we venture from the objective to the subjective. There are those who grouse about people turning them in for deed restrictions, those who complain about deed restriction violators, and those who pick and choose which restriction needs to be followed. All of that can easily be avoided if we don't go down the slope. Wouldn't life be so much simpler if we "manned up" and accepted responsibility for our choice to live here?

Your opinion is great, but look at the post prior to yours, and you will see that because deed restriction enforcement
is purely a complaint driven system and
it is not uniformily enforced.
A lot is determined by what type of neighbors one has!
There are many homes not in compliance that I know of,
and I don't think the home owners are purposely flaunting the restrictions.
Believe it or not, there are some things that may not be in compliance but they beautify a property and neighborhood.
Deed restrictions in the main are good, but keep in mind
they are created by humans and therfore not always perfect!
My opinion is that deed restrictions in the main are good, but the system for enforcement is not really good!

gap2415 09-04-2017 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1443265)
I respect your opinion and I, too, want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhoods. but for me personally, if I can't see something, it doesn't bother me. btw, I have lived in Florida for over 30 years so I'm familiar with what you speak about. I think there's a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. so as long as the part of one's property that is exposed is presentable, I'm happy.

Me too, how sensible. 99% of us just want a beautiful community and common sense. Rigid people wear me down if I let them. A law often cannot cover everything that comes up...of course it is the spirit not the letter of the law.

fw102807 09-04-2017 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap2415 (Post 1443330)
Me too, how sensible. 99% of us just want a beautiful community and common sense. Rigid people wear me down if I let them. A law often cannot cover everything that comes up...of course it is the spirit not the letter of the law.

I so agree... rigid people are so tedious

Trayderjoe 09-04-2017 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1443328)
Your opinion is great, but look at the post prior to yours, and you will see that because deed restriction enforcement
is purely a complaint driven system and
it is not uniformily enforced.
A lot is determined by what type of neighbors one has!
There are many homes not in compliance that I know of,
and I don't think the home owners are purposely flaunting the restrictions.
Believe it or not, there are some things that may not be in compliance but they beautify a property and neighborhood.
Deed restrictions in the main are good, but keep in mind
they are created by humans and therfore not always perfect!
My opinion is that deed restrictions in the main are good, but the system for enforcement is not really good!

Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that the deed restrictions are not uniformly applied since it is a complaint driven system. However, wouldn't it all be moot IF the deed restrictions were followed by all? One could argue that the subjectivity is being applied by the neighbors (I don't think we should be in a police state, just that people should accept responsibility for their decisions) because the "offense" doesn't bother them. However, I do think that the Villages is walking a fine line in not appearing to be a police state by "cracking down" on the offenders unless there is a blatant "offense".

Where people don't know that they violated the restrictions, my question is why don't they know? Did they not review the restrictions before they bought the home? If not, why not?

I also agree that the restrictions may not be perfect, but you CAN go to the AR review board. I know that not every application is turned down by the board, so where there is an enhancement to the area, I suspect it would be considered. Maybe not all of them will be approved, but there is a system and apparently there are those who choose to not follow the restrictions or the system that was set up to ask for approval.

My personal "soapbox" is that, generally speaking, personal accountability and responsibility for making decisions is not owned by enough people, no matter where they live. I point to not complying with deed restrictions for whatever reason as one example of such behavior. Perhaps this also triggers the dreaded "entitlement" behavior that I unfortunately see as well-but that is a subject for another thread.

Thanks for the constructive dialogue!


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