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Hurricane Irma aftermath: Trump doesn’t blame climate change | Miami Herald

Yes we have had more dangerous hurricanes but what about all the other indications that there has been global warming which according to most of the established scientists is man-made?

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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Hurricane Irma aftermath: Trump doesn’t blame climate change | Miami Herald

Yes we have had more dangerous hurricanes but what about all the other indications that there has been global warming which according to most of the established scientists is man-made?

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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There is global warming and probably due to what humans do....BUT getting the whole world to change is another issue. And spending money on stupid stuff and forming groups where only the U.S. pays is NOT going to change things enough to make enough difference to change greenhouse gases.

It is like peeing in the sea. Yes there is a problem, but unless the whole earth shuts down engines, not much will be changed. It isn't going to happen.

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Not peeing in the sea but unleashing the power of the Mississippi River on the Gulf. We have not yet really got started on finding solutions to the problem of global warming.

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B.S. ! "Most" is a lie. We have had no more hurricanes than any other period on record. And there is NO real scientist that will say absolutely that global warming is man made. If you believe otherwise, you are a fool.

Oh, I forgot who I was replying to. Some folks are a waste of oxygen. And some folks almost exist solely to convince one that abortion may not have been such a bad idea. Anyone for post-natal abortion?

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You'll be happy to hear that Texas has such concern for the unborn they're considering making male masturbation against the law. Once you give strangers the right to make laws about your body, it can lead to a lot of unintended consequences. After all, sperm may be alive...Human Sperm May 'Smell' Their Way To The Egg, Science Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily

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You'll be happy to hear that Texas has such concern for the unborn they're considering making male masturbation against the law. Once you give strangers the right to make laws about your body, it can lead to a lot of unintended consequences. After all, sperm may be alive...Human Sperm May 'Smell' Their Way To The Egg, Science Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily

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Liberals are all about giving control of themselves to the gov nanny. They NEED the gov to run their useless lives, so they mandate climate control tactics, control of speech, control of guns that protect good people from bad, control of what one eats, control of health care. Did I miss any control that the liberals wish to give the government?

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From a non-profit think tank on climate change - The consensus among scientists is that the effects of climate change, such as rising sea levels and warmer oceans, made these recent storms far more destructive than they would have been in previous decades. In other words, climate change is not the cause of the storm, but it makes bad storms worse. And in the case of a really bad storm, climate change can make it totally disastrous or catastrophic.

It's not brain surgery. If the ice caps are melting, causing a rise in sea level, the chances for destructive storm surges and flooding greatly increase.

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Hurricane Irma was the largest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic, but it was neither one of the deadliest nor one of the most destructive.

Other people have named the three most powerful. I would point out that the most deadly in terms of deaths was the unnamed storm that struck Galveston, Texas, in 1900, killing 8,000 people.

Since 1851, a total of 293 North Atlantic hurricanes produced hurricane-force winds in 19 states along the Atlantic coast. We are not seeing "more" or "more deadly" hurricanes due to alleged "climate change."

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I know of no one who denies that the climate changes over time. Geology demonstrates that. But climate change, both colder and warmer, has taken place before the human industrial revolution. Much of the changes may be attributed to volcanic action, sunspots, the tilt of the Earth, etc.Carl in Tampa

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A totally inadequate conclusion. Since "global" climate is involved, why only talk about North Atlantic hurricanes?
One cannot equate the number of deaths with the ferocity of the storm. Inadequate preparation for such storms, and the unlikelihood that there was advance warning of such a storm is the more likely culprit of such a large number of casualties.
How Will Scientists Find Out Whether Climate Change Made Hurricane Harvey Worse? see: How Will Scientists Find Out Whether Climate Change Made Hurricane Harvey Worse? | Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory


"When in the life of the Earth did climate not change?Is global warming a natural cycle? Or is global warming affected by human influence? What does the science say? Both are true. In the natural cycle, the world can warm, and cool, without any human interference. For the past million years this has occurred over and over again at approximately 100,000 year intervals. About 80-90,000 years of ice age with about 10-20,000 years of warm period, give or take some thousands of years.

The difference is that in the natural cycle CO2 lags behind the warming because it is mainly due to the Milankovitch cycles. Now CO2 is leading the warming. Current warming is clearly not natural cycle.

Where are we currently in the natural cycle (Milankovitch cycle)? The warmest point of the last cycle was around 10,000 years ago, at the peak of the Holocene. Since then, there has been an overall cooling trend, consistent with a continuation of the natural cycle, and this cooling would continue for thousands of years into the future if all else remained the same. But since 1750 however, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has deviated from the natural cycle. Instead of decreasing, it has increased because of the fossil-fuel burning. Methane and nitrous oxide have also increased unnaturally because of agricultural practices and other factors. The world has also warmed unnaturally. We are now deviating from the natural cycle." http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env.../natural-cycle

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1. We talk about North Atlantic hurricanes because they are the ones that impact us most.

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2. No one equated the number of deaths with the ferocity of the storm. In fact, the Galveston storm of 1900 had so many deaths because the hurricane was unexpected, and preparations (evacuation) were not made

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3. The records of recorded history are a mere speck in time of the life of the Earth. "Computer Models" are often created to "prove" the pre-conceptions of the "scientists" that create them. It has become very ho-hum to hear "scientific conclusions."

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4. Until you have a world dictatorship that can compel every nation to do things your way, there will never be world wide compliance with "clean air standards."

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Otherwise you are just spitting into the wind.

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wjboyer1


Ice core samples from glaciers are not computer models. Those cores have been used to equate levels of C02 and the various temperature cycles.


Interesting how all of the nations with, now, the EXCEPTION of the United States have agreed to limit their production of greenhouse gasses. Both China and India have aggressive projects underway to limit their gas production and Europe is showing just how easy it is to use solar and wind production to augment their power production and limit fossil fuel combustion.

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And it is demonstrated that the CO2 levels fluctuated WITHOUT HUMAN ACTIVITY. Hummmm.

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Your faith in China and India's "aggressive projects" to limit their gas production coming to fruition in 30 years or so are touching, but naive. All those nations that agreed to the Paris accord benefited from payments from the United States, while strangling productivity in the United States.

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That is until the last 50 years......I get my facts from: Climate Change: Climate Resource Center - Graphic: The relentless rise of carbon dioxide

Where do you get your facts?



Trump's administration just re-entered the Paris accord. Targets are just that: targets, but at least it is a start
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No deal.

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here, educate yourself: http://400.350.org/#what-this-means

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It MEANS nothing. CO2 going from 0.03% to 0.04% is NOTHING. CO2 is NOT CAUSING the earth to warm.

These people MAKE MONEY from the CO2 bullsh!t.

They CREATE a problem and then ask for money to "fix" it.

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Please inform me of your degree in climatology, atmospheric geology, and understanding of your apparent dismissal of climate change.

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Give me YOUR degree in "climatology, atmospheric geology"

What kind of word is "atmospheric geology"? You just made that up...like the people who CLAIM that CO2 going from 0.03% to 0.04% will destroy the planet.

Have you ever grown anything indoors? Under controlled conditions? They PUMP IN CO2 to make the plants grow FASTER and BIGGER. Plants LOVE CO2. And even they find CO2 going from 0.03% to 0.04% minimal.

"The benefits of carbon dioxide supplementation on plant growth and production within the greenhouse environment have been well understood for many years."

"The logic is straightforward: Plants need atmospheric carbon dioxide to produce food, and by emitting more CO2 into the air, our cars and factories create new sources of plant nutrition that will cause some crops and trees to grow bigger and faster."

"Additionally, there are benefits to raising the CO2 level higher than the global average, up to 1500 ppm. With CO2 maintained at this level, yields can be increased by as much as 30%"

Increased CO2 ISN'T bad...and it's NOT raising the atmospheres temperature...not significantly.

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This subject is beyond the pay grade of all involved. Give it the fvck up.


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you are such a dolt. natural levels are normally around 280ppm, we are now measuring it at over 400ppm. Read the link I sent you about educating yourself. It is designed that a 3rd grader would understand it, so, I am confident that you would be able to handle it...but, perhaps not....

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OMG...CO2 went from 0.03% to 0.04%

We're ALL going to die!

here, educate yourself: 400.350.org

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That's a great link. Thanks. Some people though are like those bandits in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

"We have no information. In fact, we don't need links. I don't have to show you any stinking links, you god-damned cabron and ching' tu madre!"

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No it's not...it's a propaganda link for "renewable" energy.

They even said THIS on their own website...the very page that was linked to:

"The last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist." It's up at the top right of the page.

"The safe level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is 350 parts per million.

The only way to get there is to immediately transition the global economy away from fossil fuels and into into renewable energy, energy efficiency, and sustainable farming practices.

The last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist. Our dependence on fossil fuels is fundamentally changing the nature of the planet — and it’s time to act."


READ that sentence...VERY carefully. The LAST TIME CO2 levels were THIS HIGH, HUMANS DID NOT EXIST.

They ADMIT that CO2 levels HAVE BEEN this high...BEFORE people even existed.

The climate changes...slowly...cyclically...up and down...warmer and colder.

CO2 is NOT an important greenhouse gas...it's just not. You're barking up the wrong tree.

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Climate Change is real. Doing small things and spending money on things that won't save the planet by a small percentage of the earth's population will not help a damned thing.

Human nature cannot be changed. Boyer? Be the first to push your gas powered vehicles into a retaining pond.

Put your money where your mouth is. The Paris agreement is funded by us. AND USELESS. YES there is warming. YES. Humans caused it. Can it be stopped. Sadly no.

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I see so if we have cycle that floods a river massively every 1000 years we should not plan for hurricanes like Irma speeding this cycle up?

Your logic makes no sense. People are still dying because of typhoons, hurricanes, and the like now in 2017. Why not work together and try to do something about curbing the CO2 level as it is in 2017? Trump does not want to because it would be showing he was wrong about one more thing that he screamed about to the ignorant masses who were at his many extremely emotional rallies.

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You have it wrong...destruction of the planet is the price we pay for allowing almost 9 billion "people" to inhabit it. We need to get rid of at least half.



We'll NEVER give up our cushy lifestyle. Everyone else WANTS our cushy lifestyle.



CO2 is NOT a significant greenhouse gas...until you can get that through your head...you'll never be able to reasonably discuss/solve the global warming "problem".

This is JUST like arguing religion or racial equality. Until you can get it through your head that is NO "God of Abraham" or the "races" are really different species...you'll NEVER be able to reasonably discuss/solve America's decline.

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That's their problem. Liberals cannot think for themselves. They adamantly insist that if anyone has a PHD behind their name, they must know what they are talking about. Liberals do not use any common sense.