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EdFNJ 03-03-2018 12:20 PM

?? Cost of STREET LEGAL Golf Car insurance ??
 
Anyone have any ACTUAL EXAMPLES of cost of insurance they pay for their STREET LEGAL golf car? Checked with my insurance person and they are quoting close to $600 which is almost what my regular car is. Curretly paying around $150 for FULL (maximum) coverage NOT street legal.

I know your specific coverages can vary the rates but looking for a ballpark idea to see how close or far off she is.

Note. This thread is NOT to discuss the pros and cons of street legal GC's or the "why do you need it street legal" question or even gas vs. electric. :boom: :boom: :boom:

justjim 03-03-2018 12:43 PM

Street Legal golf cart insurance is about the same as car insurance in Florida. I had a street legal golf cart for a couple of years and my insurance with an Allstate agent several years ago was in that same ballpark. I sold the cart and the guy took it north. I hope this helps.

Nucky 03-03-2018 12:51 PM

Without doing a whole lot of research I wouldn't mind learning the exact cost of insurance together with the exact benefit and the expanded traveling advantage that a street legal cart would bring. My wife wants a GEM or Atomic Cart. Leaning toward the Atomic because of the A/C. I know it's your thread but the extra info would be helpful for me. Thank's.

villagetinker 03-03-2018 01:22 PM

Call AAA or Villages Insurance and ask them, this will get you real numbers, my understanding, the same or very close to car insurance.

FMF Doc 03-03-2018 01:27 PM

My experience was it is right in line with what my car cost.

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520217)
Anyone have any ACTUAL EXAMPLES of cost of insurance they pay for their STREET LEGAL golf car? Checked with my insurance person and they are quoting close to $600 which is almost what my regular car is. Curretly paying around $150 for FULL (maximum) coverage NOT street legal.

I know your specific coverages can vary the rates but looking for a ballpark idea to see how close or far off she is.

Note. This thread is NOT to discuss the pros and cons of street legal GC's or the "why do you need it street legal" question or even gas vs. electric. :boom: :boom: :boom:


eweissenbach 03-03-2018 01:47 PM

I recently bought a Star Cart that was originally street legal. They said that the insurance went sky high a few years ago to about $700 so they had it redesignated as a golf cart. The insurance for me through AAA (progressive) was a little under $110.

villagetinker 03-03-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1520236)
I recently bought a Star Cart that was originally street legal. They said that the insurance went sky high a few years ago to about $700 so they had it redesignated as a golf cart. The insurance for me through AAA (progressive) was a little under $110.

I hope you had it certified that it cannot go over 20 mph, or you could be in for some big fines and tickets if you are caught. You would be charged with driving an unlicensed LSV, no insurance, etc. Since this vehicle was classified as an LSV at one time, IMHO, it might be an obvious target......

eweissenbach 03-03-2018 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1520247)
I hope you had it certified that it cannot go over 20 mph, or you could be in for some big fines and tickets if you are caught. You would be charged with driving an unlicensed LSV, no insurance, etc. Since this vehicle was classified as an LSV at one time, IMHO, it might be an obvious target......

It has a high/low range control. In low it will not exceed 20.

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1520223)
Without doing a whole lot of research I wouldn't mind learning the exact cost of insurance together with the exact benefit and the expanded traveling advantage that a street legal cart would bring. My wife wants a GEM or Atomic Cart. Leaning toward the Atomic because of the A/C. I know it's your thread but the extra info would be helpful for me. Thank's.



I have an Atomic Coupe. We can discuss in PM.


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EdFNJ 03-03-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1520229)
Call AAA or Villages Insurance and ask them, this will get you real numbers, my understanding, the same or very close to car insurance.



As I wrote in my OP, that is what I did and is why I am checking.


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EdFNJ 03-03-2018 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1520251)
It has a high/low range control. In low it will not exceed 20.



If the switch is user accessible you can have an insurance problem in the case of a liability bodily injury claim or any claim.


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thelegges 03-03-2018 05:09 PM

We looked at a atomic also last year. I actually thought our agent was making up the $580 for insurance. When I stopped :1rotfl: said thanks but no thanks. Not spending that much for a vehicle that I can only drive in TV

eweissenbach 03-03-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520290)
If the switch is user accessible you can have an insurance problem in the case of a liability bodily injury claim or any claim.


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Just got insurance through AAA, progressive. They took a copy of the re-registration and said nothing about a question of speed. I will check with the authorities and report what they say. If nothing else I could probably have it governed to go no more than 20. My observation is that at least half the carts in TV are capable of more than 20 mph.

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 1520296)
We looked at a atomic also last year. I actually thought our agent was making up the $580 for insurance. When I stopped :1rotfl: said thanks but no thanks. Not spending that much for a vehicle that I can only drive in TV

Yes, that is what I was quoted for street legal from my agent so I guess she was in the ballpark.

Still considering the value of Strret Legal it for my needs. With registration over $200 and other state fees of around $200 plus the insurance it ain't cheap.

My Atomic is NOT street legal and I am around $150 insurance. The cost of the Atomic is less than a new Yamaha with most of the standard features so for me (as a reg golf cart) it was an easy decision.

villagetinker 03-03-2018 06:17 PM

I would guess more like 75% can go faster than 20 mph, based on what I see from my backyard (a multi-modal road).

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1520313)
Just got insurance through AAA, progressive. They took a copy of the re-registration and said nothing about a question of speed. I will check with the authorities and report what they say. If nothing else I could probably have it governed to go no more than 20. My observation is that at least half the carts in TV are capable of more than 20 mph.


I'd say more like 95% exceed 20!
They (insurance agents) will SELL you anything based on what YOU tell them however if you have an accident and someone sues you your insurance company can refuse to pay when/if they find out. It has nothing to do with your agent.

Just "regoverning" it doesn't help. It must be certified in writing by a licensed dealer as it is now registered by the state as a LSV and that's what it stays. Once it is assigned a vehicle VIN there's not much you can do. That's why dealers in FL rarely knowingly take a street legal cart in trade (which is what I was told by Villages GC).

I would speak to the Sherrif's office and DMV and see what you need to do to have it decertified if that is what you want to do.

villagetinker 03-03-2018 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520289)
As I wrote in my OP, that is what I did and is why I am checking.


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Sorry, I misread original post, but Villages Insurance handles several insurance companies, however I see you have gotten replies that the cost is in the several hundred dollars.

One other thought occurred to me, if I understand it correctly, once you go "street legal" you may actually be restricted from some golf cart areas. For example, street legal cannot use golf cart lanes on multi-modal roads, there may be other restrictions. I have no idea of using one of these for golfing and the golf course trails. I have NOT researched this, but I recall some previous discussions. The one thing I do recall was that this whole situation (where you can and cannot drive) is very confusing.

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1520324)
Sorry, I misread original post, but Villages Insurance handles several insurance companies, however I see you have gotten replies that the cost is in the several hundred dollars.

One other thought occurred to me, if I understand it correctly, once you go "street legal" you may actually be restricted from some golf cart areas. For example, street legal cannot use golf cart lanes on multi-modal roads, there may be other restrictions. I have no idea of using one of these for golfing and the golf course trails. I have NOT researched this, but I recall some previous discussions. The one thing I do recall was that this whole situation (where you can and cannot drive) is very confusing.

I'd bet $5 that is absolutely not true. Many people SAY this but I have yet to see it in writing anywhere. The only difference is the max speed.

According to thje sherrif's office the only thing that controls those rules is the state dmv regs and I doubt there are any "diamond lane" or MMP rules there.

Edit: Of course T.V. can make rules but I haven't seen any of them IN WRITING yet either if they exist.

kathydukes 03-03-2018 06:47 PM

Are you required by law to have insurance on a street legal golf cart?

GoodLife 03-03-2018 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520327)
It's about $350/yr more after yr 1 and the carts are the same price. They just allow them to go faster and drive a few places others can't but as usual this thread is going off topic and will turn into the usual blatter.

Just going by what you posted:

Still considering the value of Strret Legal it for my needs. With registration over $200 and other state fees of around $200 plus the insurance it ain't cheap.

Regular golf cart costs me $100 per year insurance, no registration fees etc. You say other state fees of $200 per year plus insurance (quoted on this thread at $650 per year) How does tht add up to only $350 per year extra after year one?

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1520337)
Just going by what you posted:

Still considering the value of Strret Legal it for my needs. With registration over $200 and other state fees of around $200 plus the insurance it ain't cheap.

Regular golf cart costs me $100 per year insurance, no registration fees etc. You say other state fees of $200 per year plus insurance (quoted on this thread at $650 per year) How does tht add up to only $350 per year extra after year one?

Those are the initial fees. I'll have to check if I said "per year". Tags, title, inspection fee are one time + insurance. After year 1 the only diff is the insurance costs which (in my case) would be around $160 vs ~$525 if I do S.L..

FWIW I have full coverage on my "cart" ($500K liability, collision PIP, UM, etc) just like my car or it would be somewhat less.

This is from FL DMV (initial fees):
11. Applicable fees.
a. Inspection fee - $40
b. Title fee - $75.25 to $85.25
c. Plate fee - $28 or plate to transfer
d. Initial Registration Fee - $225 (if applicable)
e. Registration fee varies by weight of vehicle

Either you misunderstood me or I made a typo.

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 07:16 PM

Anyone interested, attached is the Florida DMV brochure on licensing a golf cart to a LSV.

Oh well, system won't allow me to upload a small PDF file. Here is the link:

https://www.flhsmv.gov/pdf/mv/lowspeedvehicles.pdf

eweissenbach 03-03-2018 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520323)
I'd say more like 95% exceed 20!
They (insurance agents) will SELL you anything based on what YOU tell them however if you have an accident and someone sues you your insurance company can refuse to pay when/if they find out. It has nothing to do with your agent.

Just "regoverning" it doesn't help. It must be certified in writing by a licensed dealer as it is now registered by the state as a LSV and that's what it stays. Once it is assigned a vehicle VIN there's not much you can do. That's why dealers in FL rarely knowingly take a street legal cart in trade (which is what I was told by Villages GC).

I would speak to the Sherrif's office and DMV and see what you need to do to have it decertified if that is what you want to do.

As I previously stated, the cart has been decertified. I have a copy of the state title cancel. Title issue date 1/06/2010. Title cancel date 3/28/2016. Cancel reason; converted to golf cart. Title status; cancelled. If the 95% is true then, according to what is being said, almost no one will be protected by insurance. Sorry for the thread takeover.

GoodLife 03-03-2018 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520343)
Those are the initial fees. I'll have to check if I said "per year". Tags, title, inspection fee are one time + insurance. After year 1 the only diff is the insurance costs which (in my case) would be around $160 vs ~$525 if I do S.L..

FWIW I have full coverage on my "cart" ($500K liability, collision PIP, UM, etc) just like my car or it would be somewhat less.

This is from FL DMV (initial fees):
11. Applicable fees.
a. Inspection fee - $40
b. Title fee - $75.25 to $85.25
c. Plate fee - $28 or plate to transfer
d. Initial Registration Fee - $225 (if applicable)
e. Registration fee varies by weight of vehicle

Either you misunderstood me or I made a typo.

Ok understand. It's your money after all. Personally I don't see any advantage of having SL cart. There is nowhere in TV I want to go that I can't reach in regular cart. The less time I spend sharing streets with cars the better. That's where most of the accidents occur.

EdFNJ 03-03-2018 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1520360)
As I previously stated, the cart has been decertified. I have a copy of the state title cancel. Title issue date 1/06/2010. Title cancel date 3/28/2016. Cancel reason; converted to golf cart. Title status; cancelled. If the 95% is true then, according to what is being said, almost no one will be protected by insurance. Sorry for the thread takeover.



Missed that. Good on recertification . I'd guess 95 % is close. Rarely see a cart that doesn't go 22. As for the insurance if there is a major injury and lawyers involved that would be a easy find. Fortunately there doesn't seem to be many cart vs. people accidents.


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EdFNJ 03-03-2018 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1520361)
Ok understand. It's your money after all. Personally I don't see any advantage of having SL cart. There is nowhere in TV I want to go that I can't reach in regular cart. The less time I spend sharing streets with cars the better. That's where most of the accidents occur.



One advantage I like is they can't give you a speeding ticket for exceeding 20mph in a GC. [emoji4]

Data point: Sumter Sherrif (speaking at a club meeting this week) said there were 29 GC speeding tickets given out last year. Cost around $750 before all is said and done plus 2 court appearances as it isn't a traffic ticket but a misdemeanor for driving an unlicensed unregistered vehicle. They make you have it rectified for under 20mph.




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biker1 03-03-2018 11:12 PM

They presumably can give you a ticket for exceeding 25 mph in street legal golf cart, however. 29 total golf cart speeding tickets indicates that your chances of getting a speeding ticket is essentially zero. I believe there are in excess of 50,000 golf carts in The Villages.

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1520375)
One advantage I like is they can't give you a speeding ticket for exceeding 20mph in a GC. [emoji4]

Data point: Sumter Sherrif (speaking at a club meeting this week) said there were 29 GC speeding tickets given out last year. Cost around $750 before all is said and done plus 2 court appearances as it isn't a traffic ticket but a misdemeanor for driving an unlicensed unregistered vehicle. They make you have it rectified for under 20mph.




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billethkid 03-04-2018 09:51 AM

Isn't the real determining factor where the rubber meets the road? (PUN intended).
That is what street legal infers.
If you drive on the automobile roadways you are required to have registration/insurance/etc.

As for whether they are allowed on the MMP....well good luck. Anybody care to guess how many street legal carts are on the MMP at any given time of day?

If they are allowed on the golf course (and that is why some have the speed selector switch) then they are using the rest of the path system as well.

Has anybody ever heard a good rational reason for needing to go the increased 5-10 mph faster?
To justify the approaching $1000 annual cost for registration/insurance/etc?

To me the need for street legal capability is very similar to needing to measure a watermelon with a micrometer!!!

EdFNJ 03-04-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1520465)
Isn't the real determining factor where the rubber meets the road? (PUN intended).
That is what street legal infers.
If you drive on the automobile roadways you are required to have registration/insurance/etc.

As for whether they are allowed on the MMP....well good luck. Anybody care to guess how many street legal carts are on the MMP at any given time of day?

If they are allowed on the golf course (and that is why some have the speed selector switch) then they are using the rest of the path system as well.

Has anybody ever heard a good rational reason for needing to go the increased 5-10 mph faster?
To justify the approaching $1000 annual cost for registration/insurance/etc?

To me the need for street legal capability is very similar to needing to measure a watermelon with a micrometer!!!


Of course they can give a ticket for exceeding 25. But that's "just" a speeding ticket and not a misdemeanor violation punishable by "up to 1yr in the hoosegow." :D

As for "needing" one, as you say, YOUR conception of "needing" may be different than mine or your neighbors. Do people "really need" to drive a $90,000 car when the $32,000 accomplishes the same thing and gains them nothing." Do people "need" a $1.5million dollar home when a $400,000 one can do the same?

What any one of us "really needs" varies greatly and has many variables creating those "needs." ;)

And for the 2nd time it is not $1000 per year, nothing close. After first year it's only the insurance delta.

EdFNJ 03-04-2018 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1520337)
Just going by what you posted:

Still considering the value of Strret Legal it for my needs. With registration over $200 and other state fees of around $200 plus the insurance it ain't cheap.

Regular golf cart costs me $100 per year insurance, no registration fees etc. You say other state fees of $200 per year plus insurance (quoted on this thread at $650 per year) How does tht add up to only $350 per year extra after year one?

Again I repeat: After reg, title, inspection & tags and insurance the first year, further yearly costs are ONLY the INSURANCE DIFFERENCE from not S.L. + $25/yr for reg renewal. THAT is what I meant so, once again, if my explanation was not clear I apologize. Obviously one doesn't pay all those "initial" registration, inspection, title & tag fees every year. :D

Read the State of FL brochure I posted a link to. It explains all the INITIAL ONE TIME FEES and all will then be clear.

EdFNJ 03-04-2018 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kathydukes (Post 1520333)
Are you required by law to have insurance on a street legal golf cart?

ABSOLUTELY! It's just like a car and needs plates (see brochure I posted earlier) insurance and other safety features by State Law and while it is not "required" for a "regular" cart you SHOULD have it as well. If you hit someone or kill someone what will you do when they sue you?


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