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billethkid 04-11-2018 08:16 AM

Recreation News insert of The Daily Sun in the news.....AGAIN!!!
 
How many readers are like us?
We pull the Recreation News, along with the other usual repetitive inserts and toss. Most inserts are like junk mail.
How many do the same thing?
If they raise the cost of the Daily Sun to support what has become a political football, we will cancel our subscription to home delivery.

We can easily stay up to date with the online version which does not have the insert problems.

The recreation news is a bloated, redundant information source that can easily be significantly reduced in tonnage or eliminated with opt in type options.

Those who want it should be bearing the costs.

In my humble opinion!!

tophcfa 04-11-2018 08:34 AM

I for one always save the printed recreation news section and reference it almost daily. As an avid lap swimmer, having the schedules for all of the sports pools accessible without having to go to a computer comes in very handy. We are old school and very much like reading things in print rather than from a computer screen.

Polar Bear 04-11-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1532089)
I for one always save the printed recreation news section and reference it almost daily...having the schedules for all of the sports pools accessible without having to go to a computer comes in very handy...

Same here.

JSR22 04-11-2018 09:15 AM

Insert
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1532089)
I for one always save the printed recreation news section and reference it almost daily. As an avid lap swimmer, having the schedules for all of the sports pools accessible without having to go to a computer comes in very handy. We are old school and very much like reading things in print rather than from a computer screen.

We save Rec News every week and like receiving the hard copy.

paulat585 04-11-2018 09:20 AM

Me too.

Blessed2BNTV 04-11-2018 09:22 AM

Me three.....

CWGUY 04-11-2018 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1532089)
I for one always save the printed recreation news section and reference it almost daily. As an avid lap swimmer, having the schedules for all of the sports pools accessible without having to go to a computer comes in very handy. We are old school and very much like reading things in print rather than from a computer screen.

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1532105)
Same here.

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 1532107)
We save Rec News every week and like receiving the hard copy.

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Originally Posted by paulat585 (Post 1532111)
Me too.

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Originally Posted by Blessed2BNTV (Post 1532112)
Me three.....

:thumbup: Me four...... but that being said, I would stop at a Rec. Center and pick one up if the delivery with the "Daily Sun" stopped. I don't think everyone should pay the cost and understand a lot get tossed. Chances are if you want one, you frequent Rec. Centers. They are available now at Rec. Centers. Think if they printed 30,000 or 40,000 less per week..... might save a couple of cents.( or is it sense?):ho:

biker1 04-11-2018 10:47 AM

Do you realize that they have already significantly cut down on the size of the Rec News? Every other week is a slimmed down version.

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1532080)
How many readers are like us?
We pull the Recreation News, along with the other usual repetitive inserts and toss. Most inserts are like junk mail.
How many do the same thing?
If they raise the cost of the Daily Sun to support what has become a political football, we will cancel our subscription to home delivery.

We can easily stay up to date with the online version which does not have the insert problems.

The recreation news is a bloated, redundant information source that can easily be significantly reduced in tonnage or eliminated with opt in type options.

Those who want it should be bearing the costs.

In my humble opinion!!


CWGUY 04-11-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1532136)
Do you realize that they have already significantly cut down on the size of the Rec News? Every other week is a slimmed down version.

:shrug: I'm thinking people that don't read it would not know that. Even the slimmed down version is redundant. Let's just put it in Rec. Centers.:thumbup:

billethkid 04-11-2018 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1532136)
Do you realize that they have already significantly cut down on the size of the Rec News? Every other week is a slimmed down version.

Yes!!!
That does not justify the $700,000 + expense for the coming year when there are more cost effective solutions.

Not knowing what the real number is they could consider an opt in solution; toss it only to those who opt in. This would ultimately lead to a lower volume of rec news resulting in an increase in cost. Which again would be passed down only to those who opt in.

biker1 04-11-2018 11:32 AM

They can't make everybody happy. No matter what they do, someone will be unhappy.

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1532143)
Yes!!!
That does not justify the $700,000 + expense for the coming year when there are more cost effective solutions.

Not knowing what the real number is they could consider an opt in solution; toss it only to those who opt in. This would ultimately lead to a lower volume of rec news resulting in an increase in cost. Which again would be passed down only to those who opt in.


Bogie Shooter 04-11-2018 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1532142)
:shrug: I'm thinking people that don't read it would not know that. Even the slimmed down version is redundant. Let's just put it in Rec. Centers.:thumbup:

I agree. We don’t need the hard copy.

AJGeorge 04-11-2018 05:43 PM

In a word the Rec News is redundant.
Publish it weekly and only insert it once a month. Say as a Sunday insert.
You can pick it up weekly or more often from the Rec Centers. They could than adjust the total copies after a couple of months.
The Daily Sun currently publishes daily and weekly updates.
Or, you can access the Rec News on line for more current status.
There is no need to continue the expense of publishing and distributing the Rec News on a weekly basis.
That is my view on the subject.

Ooper 04-12-2018 06:27 AM

I guess I m puzzled. To each their own. Why should what the rest of the subscribers do affect whether the OP cancels his or her subscription.

cmj1210 04-12-2018 08:14 AM

I use it weekly. I pull it & it sits in my coffee table until next week. I work part time a rotating schedule so I can’t make the same activities every week. I would give up the classifieds (which I never read) before I would give up my rec news.


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collie1228 04-12-2018 08:21 AM

I seldom ever look at it, but that's not the point for me. For just over $100 annually (including tip) I get a seven days a week newspaper, delivered to my door, in double plastics bags when it's raining. I doubt there is any other place in the USA where you get a daily newspaper for such small cost. I complain about the coverage, and the "crime" reporting that doesn't name names, but overall, I'm happy with the Daily Sun.

Bavarian 04-12-2018 11:59 AM

Have lived here four and a half years, best part of the paper. First thing we read every Thursday, Only way we would have known of any Club Activities here. Needs to be expanded. Much more money is wasted here. I would pay more, could cut back on days the "Daily Sun" is published if you like. Most of the rest of it is worthless and can be read in less then ten minutes. Why should the people crying poor decide everything.

Marathon Man 04-12-2018 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1532151)
They can't make everybody happy. No matter what they do, someone will be unhappy.

Absolutely true. There is every opinion. And the compromised version makes seems to make no one happy.

marianne237 04-12-2018 01:38 PM

printing costs
 
Has anyone questioned why the Villages still puts out a monthly slick magazine? How many folks read that? If that one magazine were eliminated, there'd be $ for other items (like the Rec news).

biker1 04-12-2018 01:42 PM

The monthly magazine is probably a money maker based on the number of ads.


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Originally Posted by marianne237 (Post 1532460)
Has anyone questioned why the Villages still puts out a monthly slick magazine? How many folks read that? If that one magazine were eliminated, there'd be $ for other items (like the Rec news).


swooner 04-12-2018 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1532080)
How many readers are like us?
We pull the Recreation News, along with the other usual repetitive inserts and toss. Most inserts are like junk mail.
How many do the same thing?
If they raise the cost of the Daily Sun to support what has become a political football, we will cancel our subscription to home delivery.

We can easily stay up to date with the online version which does not have the insert problems.

The recreation news is a bloated, redundant information source that can easily be significantly reduced in tonnage or eliminated with opt in type options.

Those who want it should be bearing the costs.

In my humble opinion!!

How about if the DS asks if we want it. If yes, pay extra, if no reduce my rate. How about they just put it on line so I don't have to look at it every Thursday before I ****can it.

Jean31w 04-12-2018 02:06 PM

We usually throw away the rest of the paper and keep the recreation news


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Jean31w 04-12-2018 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marianne237 (Post 1532460)
Has anyone questioned why the Villages still puts out a monthly slick magazine? How many folks read that? If that one magazine were eliminated, there'd be $ for other items (like the Rec news).



We don't keep it, it's mostly adds


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billethkid 04-12-2018 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean31w (Post 1532476)
We don't keep it, it's mostly adds


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The slick magazine concept is worn out....redundant....very little new if anything....
Cost wise I suspect is supported by the developer and not subscriptions.

valuemkt 04-12-2018 07:02 PM

The new cut down version is inferior to the prior thick version .. Was and still is the highlight of the Thursday paper .. was much more enjoyable to go through than searching online

Debfrommaine 04-12-2018 07:19 PM

Toss it but will keep one for visitors now and then.

sirknor 04-12-2018 07:31 PM

I toss it.

Bogie Shooter 04-12-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1532480)
The slick magazine concept is worn out....redundant....very little new if anything....
Cost wise I suspect is supported by the developer and not subscriptions.

And supported by ads?

twoplanekid 04-12-2018 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1532558)
And supported by ads?

According to the other news site, a CDD 7 Supervisor suggested that the cost of producing the Recreation News could be offset by selling advertising. District Manager Janet Tutt said that idea would “open a can of worms” because the Villages District Office could not wheel and deal with potential advertisers. My thinking is that they could not restrict who advertises.

“We don’t support any private entity. It’s a slippery slope,” she said. I would add that they as a government agency shouldn’t only support any one private entity.

Let all have equal access to the advertising! As I have learned in my brief time living here, that will not happen.

Amenity fees cover 90 percent of the cost with The Developer paying 10 percent. They, the Developer should then have some say but The District Office, a government agency controls the show?

It truly is a slippery slope!:smiley:

Madelaine Amee 04-16-2018 07:05 AM

My opinion would be to print it, put it in the local stores and if you want it, you buy it!

billethkid 04-16-2018 09:18 AM

In a nut shell!

There are too many much more cost effective ways to get the same information than to continue with an insert that was approaching a million dollars per year to produce. And now at $700,000 + per year with the threat of cost increases due to news print stock availability.

The insert is not a good use of resident amenity fees.....when there are other alternatives. And repeating what others have said above.....for those who just gotta have it.....they can go to the rec centers and get it or buy it.

Hmmnn....for those who gotta have it.....if you had to pay for it would you buy it every week?

queasy27 04-16-2018 10:04 AM

This is an outsider view since I don't get the paper, but would the best solution be to publish the entertainment section as a separate weekly entity? People who want it could subscribe and help underwrite the costs, and those who don't care wouldn't see it. But that would likely mean an overall reduction in the number of subscriptions to the Daily Sun, for better or worse.

graciegirl 04-16-2018 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1533654)
In a nut shell!

There are too many much more cost effective ways to get the same information than to continue with an insert that was approaching a million dollars per year to produce. And now at $700,000 + per year with the threat of cost increases due to news print stock availability.

The insert is not a good use of resident amenity fees.....when there are other alternatives. And repeating what others have said above.....for those who just gotta have it.....they can go to the rec centers and get it or buy it.

Hmmnn....for those who gotta have it.....if you had to pay for it would you buy it every week?

Anything that helps sell The Villages, does good for us who have invested in The Villages.

Husbands brother visited for first time here a couple of weeks ago. He collected all things "The Villages" to take back home with him and especially wanted to take the Recreation News. We hope he will move here.

We have ALWAYS considered our home an investment. We are on our second one here in ten years. I was surprised to hear the last time I referred to our home as an "investment" that some people were shocked. We have built many new homes over time. We enjoy the process and look to make money on it too.

Some people consider changing out the flowers as a waste of money. I don't. I love them. If we all placed value on the same things, they would only sell Vanilla ice cream.

biker1 04-16-2018 10:54 AM

We are not talking about a lot of money. The cost is approximately 0.6% of the amenities budget.

I suspect the average Villager is "old school" and likes printed media. They could also do away with printing the daily newspaper and go with an on-line version but I believe that is not what most people want.

Like it or not, there are many things that you pay for with your amenities fee that you don't use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1533654)
In a nut shell!

There are too many much more cost effective ways to get the same information than to continue with an insert that was approaching a million dollars per year to produce. And now at $700,000 + per year with the threat of cost increases due to news print stock availability.

The insert is not a good use of resident amenity fees.....when there are other alternatives. And repeating what others have said above.....for those who just gotta have it.....they can go to the rec centers and get it or buy it.

Hmmnn....for those who gotta have it.....if you had to pay for it would you buy it every week?


BobnBev 04-16-2018 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1532080)
How many readers are like us?
We pull the Recreation News, along with the other usual repetitive inserts and toss. Most inserts are like junk mail.
How many do the same thing?
If they raise the cost of the Daily Sun to support what has become a political football, we will cancel our subscription to home delivery.

We can easily stay up to date with the online version which does not have the insert problems.

The recreation news is a bloated, redundant information source that can easily be significantly reduced in tonnage or eliminated with opt in type options.

Those who want it should be bearing the costs.

In my humble opinion!!

:agree::spoken::BigApplause:

EdFNJ 04-16-2018 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1532080)
Those who want it should be bearing the costs.

In my humble opinion!!

Yea, that's the ticket! Same for golf courses & Pickle Ball courts and softball fields and pools & polo fields and ............ !!


:D :D :D

Amb3rTastic 04-18-2018 06:38 AM

delete

Chatbrat 04-18-2018 07:01 AM

I have never thought of the homes we owned as an investment-we considered them an expense-taxes, maintenance, extra space that goes unused

the only real estate I made real money in was the projects I worked on--bought the very first house-pre-construction, as it got its CO-had single guys who worked for me live in it-they payed rent--used the basement as a job site trailer-sold the house when the project was done

win,win !!!!

ColdNoMore 05-01-2018 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1533600)
My opinion would be to print it, put it in the local stores and if you want it, you buy it!


Excellent idea...IMHO. :BigApplause:

Allegiance 05-02-2018 07:47 AM

Wish they had an option to get Thursady and/or Sunday only delivery


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