Is or isn't it?
 

I was in my golf cart at the WALMART community store by Colony and went out the back to go to the SHELL station on the north side of 466A and was sitting at the light when someone stopped me and said I was not allowed to cross in my cart. There are no signs on the north bound side for "no carts beyond this point". I later checked the south bound side and it has the sign but I wonder if that sign was placed BEFORE 466A was finished. I also checked on-line maps and couldn't find any newer than 2015. The one listed here has hand drawn additions for south of 466A. So does anyone have a supported answer?

No. You cannot cross 466A. You need to take the tunnel

I bet the local sheriff would know.

You cannot legally cross 466a in a golf cart. You must use the tunnel under 466a just west of the intersection you mentioned to cross.

ONLY "if" you have a registered, licensed street legal may you cross there! I've seen unregistered coming out of Bob Evans and crossing 2 lanes of traffic to go to the left-turn lane and that isn't legal neither. You all need to use the tunnel!!!!

;)All Scheduled GOLF CART SAFTEY CLINIC Meetings - The VHA

Lots of good info. if you don't know.

Can a street legal cart actually cross 466A? A golf cart that can exceed 20 ph is considered a low speed vehicle. As such it must be registered, licensed, insured to be street legal. As such it can not drive on a street with a speed limit greater than 35 mph. 466A has a speed limit of 45. So again I ask, since I do not know, can a street legal cart cross there?

Call the non emergency sumter county police and ask them directly, but it is my understanding that "street legal" golf carts cannot use or cross any road with a posted speed limit ABOVE 35 miles per hour.

more information from VHA about golf cart rules ->Golf Cart and LSV Questions & Answers - Golf Cart Safety

and the exception of course

From the site that is shown:
A LSV is defined as a four-wheel electric vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 mph, but less than 25 mph. LSVs may operate on streets where the posted limit is 35 mph or less. LSVs can also cross roads that have a speed limit greater than 35 mph.

Bottom line -- an LSV can cross 466A, but can not operate on 466A.

Yes they can cross at a controlled intersection. They cannot drive on any road that's posted at speeds OVER 35 mph. A "regular" golf-cart must stay on the MMP or diamond lanes and never cross these highways!! A cart that exceeds 20 mph NEEDS to be a registered/licensed street legal. There are "some" folks that think they're above the law and will fix their "regular" carts to go faster BUT they aren't street legal.

That is incorrect.

Since the OP said..."So does anyone have a supported answer?" ...I believe Twoplane's link (Q&A #11) meets that requirement. :ho:

Wrong. A street legal cart can cross roads with speed limits of 45. For example 466A
Golf Cart Requirements | The Villages Florida

I cross 441 in a regular cart all the time, to get to my Spruce Creek rentals.
This 175th St crossing was approved by FDOT and Marion County.

He does and (technically) you can. Our club had a a talk and the info was checked it for us.


The law states as long as there is a controlled intersection - a light (and a golf cart permitted path) you can cross.



Some of the deputies aren't aware of the actual law but here is the relevant laws (I decided to redact our club name and other non-pertinent names).


This refers to BOTH street-legal and NON-street legal with different rules so read the entire post.

Not all correct.

Whether they can or can't legally, I wouldn't want to do it (cross 466A). Cars have a hard-enough time doing it.

Best post in the entire thread!! :bigbow:

What's not correct? We have a street legal...checked with the sheriff's office before we purchased just to make sure. You may cross at "Controlled" intersections (the one's with lights).

Question #11 addresses that issue. "Golf carts may not cross over or drive on Highway 27/441, CR 466, CR 466A, Griffin Avenue or any other road with a posted speed limit of 35 mph or higher. "

About 2 months ago I was going from the new Walmart Grocery Store to Bob Evans at Colony and while sitting at 466A red light in front of me at the light was a regular golf cart. I got out of my car and walked up the driver and pointed to the left, and told him regular golf carts cannot cross this road, they must use the tunnel to your left. He looked to be about 80 years old and seemed a little befuddled. He said he didn't know, made a u-turn and went over to the tunnel.

Correct. And Low Speed Vehicles, aka street legal carts, may cross 466 and 466A.

This thread has spun out of control because some posts have failed to make the distinction.

OK. Thanks for all the input but the only thing I'm sure of is I won't do it again and I did believe that if there was no "NO CARTS BEYOND THIS POINT" it was acceptable. Now how
can I get to FENNY by golf cart? Just kidding. Thanks again.

I just returned from the Walmart neighborhood market. I left the parking lot, went past Clifford Villas, and approached the light. There most definitely IS a sign there that says "No Carts Beyond this Point." It is at the spot where you turn left onto the MM path to go the tunnel.

:oops:

That's true, but if you go back to the OP's first post, he went out the back way, which is a road they built I guess for delivery trucks into Walmart. It comes out by the light near the Shell station which is where the OP was crossing. Apparently they overlooked putting a sign at that exit.

Good catch! :thumbup:

Is Fenny near Morris Boulevard?

I was at Colony today and looked up the road from Walmart to the red light in front of the Shell station and it's called Farner Place. It also appears to run past the back of Walmart and cross Moyer and be the main entrance into the landfill. So TV needs to put a 'no golf cart beyond this point' sign at Farner and 466A.

I don't believe any of those "no golf carts beyond this point" can be legally enforced as long as the crossing meets the FL regulations for GC crossings" (see my posting of the FL regs a few messages back). Traffic control signs (at least where I used to live) must always be approved by whatever "authority" (police dept traffic control?) approves them. If you get a ticket for not stopping at a "not approved" stop sign it gets thrown out of court.

I don't want to repost the entire thing as it is posted in post #15 in this thread but this seems to make it legal to cross at any "controlled" (has a light) intersection with a golf cart that is NOT street legal. While it may be dumb to cross 466A at a light it may not be "illegal" as long as at both sides of the road you just crossed there is a "cart legal" road. Not one determined by The Villages but one determined by the State of FL. to be cart legal.

316.2126 Authorized use of golf carts, low-speed vehicles, and utility vehicles.—
(d) Golf carts and utility vehicles may cross a portion of the State Highway System which has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less only at an intersection with an official traffic control device.

Might be a state law, but the county law says otherwise.
That's why people are being ticketed for crossing at McDonalds on 441 and Bella Cruz Dr.

I would appeal any ticket. Can you kindly post a link to that county "law?" Probably not. The info I provided came directly from the Sumter County Sherrif's office. From this fellow: https://**************.com/lt-siemer...ict-commander/ in an email to our group.

The "blanked out portion" of the above link was the "other" news site.

Here is his actual statement in an email provided to our group (along with providing the regs as they apply to GC's and SL GC's).
I woulld appeal based on his info had I received a ticket.

I quote from his email:

"It was determined that there was confusion within all Law Enforcement agencies in The Villages over LSV 45 mph crossings but it stemmed from an amendment put out several years ago. Bottom-line is LSVs can cross a major roadway at a controlled crossing point, such as an intersection."


This is NOT from his email but later qualified:

So the answer is yes, street-legal carts can cross a highway, regardless of the posted speed limit on that highway, so long as there is a street-legal road available to you after you have crossed the highway. Carts that are not street-legal cannot cross highways unless there is an "official traffic control device" at that crossing, and even then, the maximum speed for the crossing highway cannot exceed 45 MPH.

I don't have a link, but was at the county commissioners meeting several years ago, when Stonecrest residents wanted to be able to cross 441 at Bella Cruz, when the Paradise wall/gate was installed. Commissioners and the sheriff in attendance said no, not legal.
If you want to ask the Lady Lake sheriff or try it till you get a ticket, and fight it in court, give it a shot...let us know how it works out.
I will pass along your link to some Stonecrest and Spruce Creek friends. They would love to get to the squares without a street legal cart.

That could be the laws that the Lieutenant was referring to when he said (his quote): ""It was determined that there was confusion within all Law Enforcement agencies in The Villages over LSV 45 mph crossings but it stemmed from an amendment put out several years ago. Bottom-line is LSVs can cross a major roadway at a controlled crossing point, such as an intersection."


I never saw a "Lady Lake" law or even sure if they can make those laws pertaining to crossing a state or county road or highway. They could easily issue a ticket which could possibly be based on incorrect interpretation of the state or county law and if one wishes to present the court with the specific law that applies it is my guess the case would be dismissed.


In any case if I ever do get a ticket that I feel is legally wrong I will fight it. It's not like I don't have the free time! :D I once got a ticket in Union NJ and I actually took it to trial myself and lost because the school bus driver who "caused" me to get the ticket was the father of the town's mayor! I was going to appeal it but we had a business in town and didn't want to get the PD too mad at me. :D

Edit: Oh, I also had VIDEO TAPES of the bus driver violating the law (not turning his red lights on when he stopped) multiple times but the judge tossed it because it didn't show that specific day just the 3 days in a row after. It was fun yelling "I OBJECT" though.