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NotGolfer 06-18-2018 10:30 AM

Must happen more often than not
 
Just came home from the Neighborhood Walmart and Colony today. I was on 466a, going west from near the Shell Station when I saw a gentleman turning, with his golf cart, out of the McDonald's parking lot also going west. I thought perhaps he'd cross traffic and turn left to go towards Pine Hills but no. He continued on. I'm posting this because I think there are folks with early dementia who are still operating golf carts and this is dangerous. IF you're a spouse you NEED to re-evaluate the situation. I lost sight of the man eventually due to moving ahead myself--but know for sure he was heading on past Bob Evans and not sure if he turned in there or continued on.

Bjeanj 06-18-2018 12:43 PM

It would help me to know what, exactly a spouse or friend should do if someone is showing signs of dementia, or starts losing inhibitions. Do we phone that person’s doctor? Do we call law enforcement? How does one force someone to take tests to determine whether they are a risk to themselves or others? Is it Court-ordered? I have a friend who absolutely erupts in anger over what would be considered trivial matters. The wife just seems to put up with it, doesn’t know how else to handle it, and tries to talk him down. He is very vicious in what he calls her.

Does anyone know what the steps are? I think we have people on TOTV who may be experienced in this, either in their professional past or personally handling this type situation, and would appreciate some advice.

Chatbrat 06-18-2018 12:58 PM

Take all vehicle keys away, almost on a daily basis--I observe people who are driving 10 mph under the speed limit and can't keep their car with the striped lanes in a traffic circle--Fl is very remiss for not testing all senior drivers and I'm one--I'm 75

In the age of computer games . a driving simulator is readily available--

NotGolfer 06-18-2018 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1554243)
Street Legal dementia ?


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The one thing I did notice is it didn't have a FL license plate on it AND it was on 466a and NOT crossing it. Street legals can do that. Inferring someone has dementia because they drive a street legal cart is being snarky and not appropriate on this thread.

NotGolfer 06-18-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 1554280)
It would help me to know what, exactly a spouse or friend should do if someone is showing signs of dementia, or starts losing inhibitions. Do we phone that person’s doctor? Do we call law enforcement? How does one force someone to take tests to determine whether they are a risk to themselves or others? Is it Court-ordered? I have a friend who absolutely erupts in anger over what would be considered trivial matters. The wife just seems to put up with it, doesn’t know how else to handle it, and tries to talk him down. He is very vicious in what he calls her.

Does anyone know what the steps are? I think we have people on TOTV who may be experienced in this, either in their professional past or personally handling this type situation, and would appreciate some advice.

I don't know how to answer this question...but I do know that recently there was a discussion on local social media re: this possibility. I think you could contact someone whose acquaintanted with elder-care. If you don't have a local phone book, try google and do a search. I know that there are probably many folks on this site who might be able to better answer your questions than I can. It is something that needs to be known though as this is an aging population. I'm so sorry for your friend and hope she finds necessary solutions soon!!!

Mortal1 06-18-2018 01:44 PM

Could be a whole host of reasons. Typically I go for the senior brain fart...

NotGolfer 06-18-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1554302)
Could be a whole host of reasons. Typically I go for the senior brain fart...

Could be but he passed at least one opportunity to move off the roadway back to where he needed to be. Brain-farts happen but in this case...it was just plain dangerous as well as weird!!

Rapscallion St Croix 06-18-2018 03:30 PM

I have seen plenty of reports wherein these types of incidents were attributed to alcohol consumption, but not one account of the driver having dementia.

Fredman 06-18-2018 03:37 PM

You can’t drive a street legal cart on 466A

Gpsma 06-18-2018 03:59 PM

Went to a meeting of the Villages Shooting club when they had a sheriff from sumter county.

I remeber him mentioimg that 9.7% of the Villages has some form of dementia.

Wiotte 06-18-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1554340)
Went to a meeting of the Villages Shooting club when they had a sheriff from sumter county.



I remeber him mentioimg that 9.7% of the Villages has some form of dementia.



The reason I drive as if someone is trying to hit me.


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jojo 06-18-2018 04:24 PM

A younger person (40ish) almost hit me yesterday. He was coming east through the Havana tunnel and didn't see or ignored the stop sign. It appears he was following his father in another cart who had pulled over to wait. I yelled and then pulled into the left lane or would have been hit. My mother and dog were in the passenger seat. Needless to say we were all shaken. I'm so grateful no one was coming toward me.

Rapscallion St Croix 06-18-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1554340)
Went to a meeting of the Villages Shooting club when they had a sheriff from sumter county.

I remeber him mentioimg that 9.7% of the Villages has some form of dementia.

That must mean the younger folks are moving in and lowering the average. Thirteen percent of Americans over 65 have dementia and 45% of those over 85 are affected.

EdFNJ 06-18-2018 04:47 PM

Must happen more often than not
 
Let’s look at this incident in the most simplistic way without trying to medically diagnose it. Maybe he simply did it on purpose to get somewhere and didn’t care if he broke the law. He may be stupid but not necessarily an Alzheimer’s statistic. People intentionally break laws all the time for their convenience. Fortunately he didn’t get hurt or get a ticket (this time). Maybe his wife had his real car and he had to get to the Georgia peach stand on the side of the road ? I never could understand how or why it was ok for foot powered bicycles to drive on there but not a gas or electric powered golf cart anyway.

EPutnam1863 06-18-2018 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1554287)
Take all vehicle keys away, almost on a daily basis--I observe people who are driving 10 mph under the speed limit and can't keep their car with the striped lanes in a traffic circle--Fl is very remiss for not testing all senior drivers and I'm one--I'm 75

In the age of computer games . a driving simulator is readily available--

After our father had a few minor accidents, we knew the time had come to take away his keys. My sister came to take care of him and our mother, and one thing she did for him was to drive him anytime and anywhere he wanted. This lasted six months before he died. Then our mother vuluntarily went to an assisted living place because she wanted my sister to feel free to go back home.

Nucky 06-18-2018 05:05 PM

Just acting like Uncle Leo from Seinfeld when he was stealing things in a store and Jerry ratted him out. Uncle Leo had the perfect defense waiting, I'm just an old man give me a break please occifer. (Officer) Probably works a high percentage of the time if you treat the guy or gal cop with respect. People cross 441 out the Boone Gate all the time and are willing to pay the ticket. One nice guy at the pool told me I have to get three tickets before it costs more than making the cart legal. There was no reasoning with him. It was just after the man got killed on 441 when he got broadsided by a truck. Maybe it was a real mistake?

EdFNJ 06-18-2018 05:05 PM

Here ones parents come and take away their parents car keys then give them a golf cart. I guess they figure they can cause less damage and injuries at 20+(ish) mph. :)

EdFNJ 06-18-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1554365)
Just acting like Uncle Leo from Seinfeld when he was stealing things in a store and Jerry ratted him out. Uncle Leo had the perfect defense waiting, I'm just an old man give me a break please occifer. (Officer) Probably works a high percentage of the time if you treat the guy or gal cop with respect. People cross 441 out the Boone Gate all the time and are willing to pay the ticket. One nice guy at the pool told me I have to get three tickets before it costs more than making the cart legal. There was no reasoning with him. It was just after the man got killed on 441 when he got broadsided by a truck. Maybe it was a real mistake?




Actually. if 441 speed limit at that spot is 35mph (I thought it was there but might be wrong) a NON-street legal golf cart can legally cross it as long as there is a golf-cart legal road on BOTH sides and it is at a (per the law) controlled intersection. If he got a ticket (and IF it was 35mph there) he should appeal it.

ColdNoMore 06-18-2018 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1554357)
That must mean the younger folks are moving in and lowering the average. Thirteen percent of Americans over 65 have dementia and 45% of those over 85 are affected.

And 83% of statistics are made up...without substantiating proof.

• Alzheimer distribution by age group U.S. 2018 | Statistic

Rapscallion St Croix 06-18-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1554381)
And 83% of statistics are made up...without substantiating proof.

• Alzheimer distribution by age group U.S. 2018 | Statistic

If you are implying that I pulled those figures out of my vast imagination, I did not. I got them from the Alzheimers Association.

ColdNoMore 06-18-2018 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1554389)
If you are implying that I pulled those figures out of my vast imagination, I did not. I got them from the Alzheimers Association.

Alzheimer's Statistics
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alzheimers.net


Proportion of People With Alzheimer’s Disease in the United States by Age: 85+ years – 38%, 75-84 years, 44%, 65-74 years, 15%, <65 years, 4%


spk7951 06-19-2018 08:53 AM

I have seen non street legal golf carts cross 466A by the Shell station and by Bob Evans on maybe six or so occasions. Guess it is too much trouble to go to the tunnel or they just do not know that is illegal.


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