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jflynn1 07-03-2018 04:28 PM

Veterans regarding their purchase of a new car rebate
 
I am seeking input from veterans regarding their purchase of a new car recently to determine how the transaction was handled and if you received the discount.
A Local Automobile dealership is and has advertised that they give “Veterans a 1,000.00 rebate on the purchase of their brand of New Automobile. My question: How many Veterans were aware of this rebate, were you informed of the availability of the rebate, and were you able to take advantage of the rebate when you purchased your new car.? I have purposely not named the Auto dealer advertising the REBATE however. if you would like to share your experience it would be helpful. if you would ;like to discuss please call me at 413 537 7823
If the dealer was aware of the veterans status and did not inform the buyer of the availability of a veterans discount as advertised and it was brought to the attention of the dealer by the buyer after the sale is the veteran entitled to the discount as advertised. ?

graciegirl 07-03-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jflynn1 (Post 1558912)
I am seeking input from veterans regarding their purchase of a new car recently to determine how the transaction was handled and if you received the discount.
A Local Automobile dealership is and has advertised that they give “Veterans a 1,000.00 rebate on the purchase of their brand of New Automobile. My question: How many Veterans were aware of this rebate, were you informed of the availability of the rebate, and were you able to take advantage of the rebate when you purchased your new car.? I have purposely not named the Auto dealer advertising the REBATE however. if you would like to share your experience it would be helpful. if you would ;ile to discuss please call me at 413 537 7823

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jflynn1 07-03-2018 04:37 PM

Veterans Rebate on Purchase on New Car.
 
I am seeking input from veterans regarding their purchase of a new car recently to determine how the transaction was handled:.

A Local Automobile dealership is and has advertised they give “Veterans a 1,000.00 rebate on the purchase of their brand of New Automobile.

My question: How many Veterans were aware of this rebate, were you informed of the availability of the rebate, and were you able to take advantage of the rebate when you purchased your new car.?

I have purposely not named the Auto dealer advertising the REBATE however. if you would like to share your experience it would be helpful. If you would like to discuss please feel free
to contact me; 413 537823

billybye 07-03-2018 05:06 PM

I believe it is deducted from cost of car. You don't have to do anything but prove you are a veteran. Most rebates come from manufacturer. Mine did when I bought a KIA they reduced price of car. It's all part of the negotiation.

jflynn1 07-03-2018 09:23 PM

Good to hear that they let you know. It was not a Kia Dealer, You deserved the rebate. Concerned others were never told by this dealer in question and never received the rebate.

graciegirl 07-04-2018 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jflynn1 (Post 1559019)
Good to hear that they let you know. It was not a Kia Dealer, You deserved the rebate. Concerned others were never told by this dealer in question and never received the rebate.

Is this the one?

Military Appreciation - Greenway Ford

retiredguy123 07-04-2018 05:55 AM

I believe that bona fide rebates are offered by the manufacturer and displayed on their website and on KBB.com and Edmunds.com. When shopping for a new car, you should always check for the manufacturer's rebates available on these sites. Some dealers will not always tell you about the rebates, but will always apply them to the sales contract because they receive the money from the manufacturer. So, if you don't know that a rebate is available, an unscrupulous dealer can trick you into thinking you are getting a better deal than you actually are when comparing the price to the MSRP. A rebate is, in effect, a reduction in the published MSRP. So, if the MSRP is $30,000 with a $3,000 rebate, and you pay $25,000, you are actually only getting a $2,000 reduction in the effective MSRP. Knowledge is power.

Challenger 07-04-2018 06:12 AM

IMHO- Car dealers sell cars for the highest profit margin possible on a specific transaction(just like other retailers). Special pricing (veterans and others ) are simply sales gimmicks to create interest and play on the ignorance of the buyer. Do your research , comparison shop and buy from the dealer who gives you the lowest total "out of pocket price". They are not being patriotic , nor are they creating a special price to say thanks to the community. Trade in prices are usually a total sham, to obscure the real price of the new car. Caveat Emptor .

You wouldn't know it, but some of my best friends over many years have been car dealers!!!!

retiredguy123 07-04-2018 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1559059)
IMHO- Car dealers sell cars for the highest profit margin possible on a specific transaction(just like other retailers). Special pricing (veterans and others ) are simply sales gimmicks to create interest and play on the ignorance of the buyer. Do your research , comparison shop and buy from the dealer who gives you the lowest total "out of pocket price". They are not being patriotic , nor are they creating a special price to say thanks to the community. Trade in prices are usually a total sham, to obscure the real price of the new car. Caveat Emptor .

You wouldn't know ir, but some of my best friends over many years have been car dealers!!!!

I agree. However, if the manufacturer offers a $1,000 bona fide rebate for veterans only, the dealer will receive an extra $1,000 from the manufacturer when he sells a car to a veteran. So, if you are a veteran, you should be able to negotiate a lower out-the-door price than a non-veteran.

jflynn1 07-04-2018 06:57 AM

I have a issue need advise on. Purchased a new car, from a local dealer, i am a veteran, dealer was aware i am a veteran because the van has to be modified to for a military handicap. i was never told about a veterans discount of $1,000.00 that was available. When i became aware of the discount i asked for it. Their explanation, it was included in the discount you were given from MSRP. Is that good enough ? Shouldn't I have been notified of the availability of the veterans discount. When I requested same I explained if granted the military militara discount advertised I would have donated it with the dealer to a local veterans organization .

jflynn1 07-04-2018 07:02 AM

I would think that id f the auto dealer is promoting the $1,000.00 discount for veterans on the purchase of a new car they would ask, are you or were you a veteran? Anf d the maybe even thank them for heir service.

graciegirl 07-04-2018 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jflynn1 (Post 1559077)
I would think that id f the auto dealer is promoting the $1,000.00 discount for veterans on the purchase of a new car they would ask, are you or were you a veteran? Anf d the maybe even thank them for heir service.

Military Appreciation - Greenway Ford



Thank you Mr. J.Flynn for your service to our country. Our family honors you today and every day.

jflynn1 07-04-2018 07:39 AM

As a veteran did You get your $1,000.00 rebate on the purchase of new car as advertis
 
Recently purchased a new car. I am a veteran. Dealer was aware I am a veteran because car needed to be modified for military handicap. Car also has disabled veteran plates. Negotiated purchase price. Dealer NEVER mentioned veteran discount.
After sale saw add in the showroom, ie: daily sun, that dealer provides $1,000.00 REBATE on all new (type of car) to veterans.
When asked about the rebate dealer stated , it was included in the discount. They would be willing to take the car back rather than give the Military discount in addition TO THE DISCOUNTS NEGOTIATED. The availability of a veterans discount was never disclosed.? Am I being too grumpy about this and did YOU get YOUR veterans discount. ?

blueash 07-04-2018 08:10 AM

Look at your itemized bill of sale. It should show a price for the car, then a bunch of other add on items like taxes, title, transportation.... But there is a line for items such as discount or down payment. The 1000 should appear there along with other items like manufacturer's incentive.

There is no cost to the dealer in the 1000 military discount. It is being totally repaid to them by the manufacturer so if they did give it to you I would wonder if they can show you a record of having submitted the information on your sale to the corporate office? I recently bought a car and the dealership asked me more than once if I were a vet in the price negotiation.

Now if they really offered to totally take the car back and refund your money which you seem to suggest they would, you have that option. Then buy the same car perhaps from a different dealer and be sure you get the discount. I can't believe you'd get all you paid however as it included lots of things like issuing a title, sales taxes, new or transferring plates etc that may not be recovered in taking the car back.

alwann 07-04-2018 08:11 AM

I didn't know, but when I bought a new car in April, the salesman asked if I was a vet. Saying yes, he didn't ask for documentation and simply knocked $1,000 off the price. However, I'm sure anyone who negotiates can get at least that much off of the first price quoted, vet or not.

dewilson58 07-04-2018 08:33 AM

Unfortunately these discounts are usually nothing more than a promotional discount. I've seen these discounts given on Walk-in Tubs too. I think it's kind of slimy, but on the other hand..........maybe the Vet would not have negotiated hard enough to get the discount which would have been labeled as something else.

John_W 07-04-2018 09:35 AM

I bought the Hyundai Kona in my avatar in April from Hyundai of Central Florida in Clermont. I first went to Jenkins Hyundai in Leesburg only because they were close so I could see a Kona in person, they are brand new and I had not seen one on the streets. I really didn't expect Jenkins to be competitive. I had already read many reviews on 'Yelp' and found the two dealers were vastly different in pricing. I found google and dealerrater website reviews gave most everyone excellent reports, but I found 'Yelp' to be more accurate.

I was right, the Limited version with leather seats and turbo engine and a few other upgrades has a msrp of $26,025. I had already read on Hyundai of Central Florida's website they were selling the same car for $24,700 and they had no dealer fees or dealer options, that was their final price.

Jenkins price straight from the sales manager himself was $27,700, that included tax, tags, dealers fees and options.

I then went to Hyundai of Central Florida in Clermont and met with salesman George Spencer, who I had been emailing for several days with questions about color, different models and prices and he was always quick to respond.

Their website price was $24,700, they had no dealer fees and no dealer options, the floormats were the only added item and it was included in the price where Jenkins added $120 for floormats. We had agreed upon a price for my trade-in and just before I was to sign the contract, he asked 'are you a veteran' I said yes. He then wrote on contract minus $500, and my final price was $24,200, with tax, title and tags my out the door price was $24,400. When I got home I did look up that Hyundai was offering a $500 veterans discount.

George did need a copy of my DD214 and he was going to meet me the next day halfway in Leesburg, but I ended up just emailing him a copy. They were $3300 cheaper out the door than Jenkins. I just checked Hyundai of Central Florida's website and the Limited version is now advertised at $23,999, it's a great deal for a car with so many options and upgrades. I almost went with the lime twist color, but decided white was good.

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retiredguy123 07-04-2018 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jflynn1 (Post 1559075)
I have a issue need advise on. Purchased a new car, from a local dealer, i am a veteran, dealer was aware i am a veteran because the van has to be modified to for a military handicap. i was never told about a veterans discount of $1,000.00 that was available. When i became aware of the discount i asked for it. Their explanation, it was included in the discount you were given from MSRP. Is that good enough ? Shouldn't I have been notified of the availability of the veterans discount. When I requested same I explained if granted the military militara discount advertised I would have donated it with the dealer to a local veterans organization .

When you negotiate an out-the-door price with a dealer, he always includes the rebates in his price, but doesn't always tell you what rebates are available. That is why you need to research the rebates before you start to negotiate. It is standard practice for the rebate money to go from the manufacturer to the dealer, not to the customer.

Dynsol 07-04-2018 11:00 AM

Leased my car two years ago and was aware that I was eligible for Veterans discount. Asked dealer about it and it was shown as military reduction on my paperwork thus lowering price in addition to other discounts I was given.

retiredguy123 07-04-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jflynn1 (Post 1559088)
Recently purchased a new car. I am a veteran. Dealer was aware I am a veteran because car needed to be modified for military handicap. Car also has disabled veteran plates. Negotiated purchase price. Dealer NEVER mentioned veteran discount.
After sale saw add in the showroom, ie: daily sun, that dealer provides $1,000.00 REBATE on all new (type of car) to veterans.
When asked about the rebate dealer stated , it was included in the discount. They would be willing to take the car back rather than give the Military discount in addition TO THE DISCOUNTS NEGOTIATED. The availability of a veterans discount was never disclosed.? Am I being too grumpy about this and did YOU get YOUR veterans discount. ?

Dealers always include all rebates in their negotiated price. It is standard practice for the rebate money to go from the manufacturer to the dealer, not to the customer.

starflyte1 07-04-2018 11:17 AM

I am sorry I can't help with the ice machine, but would the gel packs that you freeze do? You can buy them at Walgreens, and they come in all different sizes. Get two, and always have one in the freezer. Worked well for my knee.

geofitz13 07-04-2018 11:43 AM

First, a veteran's "rebate" is usually from the manufacturer. It would actually be detrimental to the dealer to not offer it, if it is from a manufacturer. Not all manufacturers offer veteran's rebates. If it is, on the other hand, a "discount", then it really doesn't mean anything other than a discount that anyone could get. When getting reimbursed by the manufacturer for the rebate, the dealer must give documentation (a DD214, usually) to the manufacturer. No documentation, no reimbursement.
Second, when comparing prices, always go by the official Monroney sticker when first comparing vehicles. I currently own a Ford Escape Titanium, with a sticker around $36,000. I have seen other Escape Titaniums for as little as $34k and as much as $37k. There are differences is in equipment specs, but they are all Ford Escape Titaniums. Some have Nav systems. Some have automatic parking systems. There are loads of differences.
This is not exclusive to Ford. All manufacturers offer models with different equipment levels within the model name. It can get very confusing, even for those of us with extensive automobile industry experience.
If your 2019 Chevy Thundermobile XL has a Monroney sticker price of $25,305, it will be the same price no matter where you buy it. The ONLY variable will be the transportation charge, which is always shown separately, just above the final sticker price. I am talking about the Monroney sticker price, not the negotiated or advertised price. It is a federal law that has been in existence since the 1970's.

retiredguy123 07-04-2018 12:05 PM

Rebates are a way for manufacturers to effectively reduce the Monroney sticker price after it has been issued at the beginning of the model year. So, a buyer should always apply any available rebates to the Monroney sticker before negotiating with the dealer. Some dealers will not always volunteer information about available rebates while negotiating with the customer. But, they will always apply the rebates to the sales contract to their advantage.

geofitz13 07-04-2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1559184)
Rebates are a way for manufacturers to effectively reduce the Monroney sticker price after it has been issued at the beginning of the model year. So, a buyer should always apply any available rebates to the Monroney sticker before negotiating with the dealer. Some dealers will not always volunteer information about available rebates while negotiating with the customer. But, they will always apply the rebates to the sales contract to their advantage.


Kinda sorta. Let me give example. Keep in mind, we are talking about a manufacturer's rebate.

Dealer 1 sells a car and passes the rebate through to the customer.

Dealer 2 tries to keep the rebate for himself. He is now at a $xxxx price disadvantage.


What is irritating is that some dealers will try to manipulate the pricing to appear to be selling for less.


In some states, the mfg's rebate is non-taxable. So the rebate must be disclosed separately, for taxation purposes.

mokey 07-04-2018 02:13 PM

I also just bought from Hyundai of Central Florida and Jenkins would not even come close. They must get a lot of easy sales out of the Villages. I did have to produce a copy of my DD214. Also no dealer fees. Worth the short drive for me. Bought my last one from Deland, but they have now changed owners and do not deal as well.

John_W 07-05-2018 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mokey (Post 1559237)
I also just bought from Hyundai of Central Florida and Jenkins would not even come close. They must get a lot of easy sales out of the Villages. I did have to produce a copy of my DD214. Also no dealer fees. Worth the short drive for me. Bought my last one from Deland, but they have now changed owners and do not deal as well.

I know what you mean about Villagers are easy prey. As I was sitting there waiting for the sales manager to give me his best price (joke), I saw at least 2 older couples walk to the back and sit down at a salesman's desk. It seems if a salesman smiles, is friendly and the place is neat and clean, they must be good. Hyundai of Central Florida is about as modern as dealers go and as you found, they are worth the drive.

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https://www.hyundaicfl.com/

tcxr750 07-05-2018 08:21 PM

Before going to buy a new car I look at the manufacturer’s website and search for a veterans discount and what is required to get it. In my experience it is deducted from the MSRP of the car. IMO no Dealer is giving you an additional discount unless he is deducting it from the markup over Dealer cost. Buying a car has been mostly a con game that hasn’t changed in decades of car buying.


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