15 year old girl talks to UN on climate issues
 

Maybe the future looks bright.

You Are Stealing Our Future: Greta Thunberg, 15, Condemns the World’s Inaction on Climate Change - YouTube

I’m sure the 15 years old don’t do without there electronics, designer clothes , and mommy’s MB SUV gas guzzlers. All contributors also

It is very sad she has been mislead.

Climate Change Videos - Nobel Laureate in Physics; "Global Warming is Pseudoscience" | Heartland Institute

Went to this site, wow!
Their endorsements explains it all:

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Thank you, Bogie,

You have illustrated here how it is not only important to cite sources but to recognize the need to back source cited sources.

In other words -- who said what, when, and why did they say it?

As a nation we are awash in disinformation and propaganda.

I actually change the channel sometimes, just to see what is being said. But too many people are not willing to look at anything other than what taps into whatever it is they need to think, for whatever reason.

Few people I know doubt the reason and the fact of climate change but certainly debate how to stop it or slow it down or whether much can be done at all. I don't see people giving up their engines or their livelihood that depends on them and it would require that and the diligent reuse of possessions and the discontinued use of plastics. People think they understand the situation but most are far too simplistic and far to accusatory.

And many are just plain unrealistic. Define the problem, gather facts, come to trial conclusion, check trial conclusion come to final conclusion. Mine is that no one can make all people in the world do what needs to be done to stop greenhouse gases. I think the answer will lie in a scientific discovery not yet made. Humans will continue to act like humans.

I find it amazing and perplexing how many people who, because of the initial following their name, follow the line without thought. If you own a petroleum or coal company, or a pipeline, or anything else that supports fossil fuels, I understand your position. I can think of no rational reason, other than that, which would cause you to think that cleaning the environment was anything other than vital. I'm sure this post and probably this thread, won't last long unfortunately.

It is difficult and complicated to reverse the situation, but many don't even care to begin the process, and try to use disinformation to back their arguments. Our grandchildren and their children and grandchildren will one day be asking "what were they thinking?"

My parents have a certain station on often so I do not have a choice with my hearing other viewpoints even if to me that station sounds like disinformation and propaganda of the worst kind. Journalists are supposed to me to be critical explorers into the facts no matter what those facts turn out to really be. Diggers for the truth in other words and not disseminators of BS.

A bit disingenuous as the magnitude of the problem is far from known. As I have stated previously, this is an area of ongoing research and is hardly settled science. The homogenization of certain observational datasets and the lack of fidelity in the treatments of certain physical processes in numerical models makes any conclusions suspect. Well respected scientists such as Lennart Bengtsson have expressed the opinion that we simply don't know the magnitude of anthropogenic warming nor the time scale. 40 years ago the concern was about global cooling. Full disclosure: undergraduate and graduate degrees in atmospheric science, researcher and numerical model developer for NASA and the National Weather Service.

Ed. Forest Fires and Volcano's and animals and humans belch contamination too. As I say. It isn't as political as some assume. World hunger has been cut in half since 1990 because of industrialization. Please check that fact. It isn't simple. Nothing ever is and sometimes there are no answers for difficult issues. .

What happened to . . .
 

What happened to global cooling, acid rain, depletion of the ozone layer, global warming . . . ? Now we have global climate change blamed on CO2, which is a necessary gas for life on this planet, along with oxygen. Follow the money trail? Who would gain from selling carbon credits? How do we control solar flares, sun activity, which I am sure has a major effect on our weather? The computer models do not include the sun's effect on our planet. Hmmm.

I love Ben Stein and his sensible analysis of many situations. Ben Stein: What if manmade climate change is a fraud? | On Air Videos | Fox News

Disinformation springs from both sides. The worst, in my opinion, comes from those who are convinced they completely understand a problem that is still being researched.

Most real science has a lot of unknowns especially something as complicated as the weather and long term patterns in it. But what is very obvious is that something needs to be done no matter the extent of scientist's knowledge of what the "cycles" or whatever are really like.

If your house is getting too uncomfortable for you then you turn down the thermostat or turn it up or open some windows or actually do something to fix it. Or try to change the conditions.

An interesting link-- Climate Change

I think I understand the real, and the political issues better than most. What are the ramifications for continuing to push the status quo, and who benefits? If you answer the question of who benefits, and you follow the money, you will know who also buys the politicians and the "oppo-research.

The climate of the earth has been changing since the very beginnings of the earth. It was obviously different during the times of the dinosaurs and during ice ages. Climate change did not start with humankind's evolution into fossil fuel burning industrial societies.

What can human beings do about climate change which is actually driven by volcanic eruptions and other natural events, sun spot and other solar activity and changes, our moon's orbit's ever increasing radius, earth's own orbital variations, axial precession and other natural occurrences?

IMHO pollution in general, especially by countries such as China, India and Russia, all the plastic thrown into the sea, overpopulation and such need to be addressed but as to whether or not our activities initiate climate change to even a measurable degree is not remotely understood much lessen proven.

What is clear is that proponents of humankind being responsible for and having the ability to reduce climate change are in one way or another profiting by selling the concept to the public. Both avarice and power over others are their driving forces.

To actually believe humankind can control the earth's climate is simultaneously both incredibly naive and ludicrously arrogant.

Your analogy is not a good one. When we don’t know the extent of the problem, or even if there is a problem, it is impossible to know what to do.

It is true we don't know the extent of the problem. It seems like every credible report that comes out shows it to be worse than earlier thought. This reminds me of the cigarette companies arguing many years ago that smoking and cancer were not linked. They also bought a few politicians and "scientists" to support their argument but didn't have the money that the petroleum and coal industry and companies like Koch Industries to buy enough to really influence many people or buy enough politicians.

The solar panel industry, Tesla, wind farm companies and the like have plenty of politicians in their pockets.

With or without climate change (is this good or bad since the earth originated?) you should not build a home in a flood plane and expect that it will not be damaged by a flood. So to start lets use local zoning to help reduce the problems we currently have.

This is another poor analogy. If you don't believe there are funded investigators who toe "the anthropogenic global warming" line then you are naive. There have been various dire prognostications that were put forth that haven't panned out. Without domain expertise, it is impossible to judge the actual credibility of various reports. It is like me trying to judge the credibility of a clinical trial for a new drug. I simply don't have the expertise to understand the issues of a drug trial.

Ed, neither of these articles is a compelling reason to spend money on "climate change". We can believe that climate is changing and that indeed it is because of greenhouse gases, but how do you get the world to change and stop industrialization? Especially since industrialization can bring the end to hunger and poverty?

It is way too general to blame the monied big businesses for the ills of the world. Anyone who WASTES money is in a real sense wasting resources.

Both sides have got to stop chewing and swallowing doctrines whole.

Well, these guys are doing their part.

New Zealand scientists are breeding sheep to fart and burp less - ABC Rural - ABC News

If we do not work toward the middle, we are doomed.

If we do not stop dehumanizing those who are not like us, we are doomed.

If we do not stop the unrestrained greed, we are doomed. (No. I am not what some of you want to call me. I just happen to think that unrestrained greed is bad economics. We have seen it before and we might be headed there again.)

If we do not stop falling for the old "Divide and Conquer" routine, we are doomed.

If we who have everything we need stop seeing the pain of others, we are doomed.

If we do not learn to see through manipulation, we are doomed.

If we never question anything, we are doomed.

If we do not stop excusing the inexcusable, we are doomed.

If we continue to abdicate our ability to think for ourselves and continue to let the screens in our homes tell us what to think, feel, and do, we are doomed.

If we do not notice that there is so much anger and it is being fanned constantly, we are doomed.

If we cannot see hypocrisy, we are doomed.

If we do not stop and look in the mirror and ask ourselves who we really are, we are doomed.

etc.

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Uh-oh. I think I just managed to close this thread.

Hopefully, salvation rests in the ability to recognize unbridled hyperbole.

Aw, c'mon, Rap, I would happily match you any day. Say high noon. LSL. (Of course, I am up north right now.)

Being a moderate and all that entails, I must see you as an individual and acknowledge that even though you can sometimes behave in a cantankerous manner and aim your slings and arrows at me, I really do admire your wicked wit.

I am headed North tomorrow but I never rise before noon, so I must decline. By definition, we are from different generations. Some genius has declared that I was born ten months too early to be a boomer, so I was forced to become one of the youngest curmudgeons.

Earth’s Changing Climate | The Great Courses

This could be a useful link.

There are many areas we could at least be doing something for future generations.

Aw, Rap, we are closer than you think. I am an elder-Boomer.

You really have raised curmudgeon-ing to an art form. Find a niche and fill it so they say. it works. :)

Yep. :thumbup:

Yep. :ohdear:

"Follow the money trail"...is an excellent idea.

One has to also ask, who benefits the most by ignoring the recognition of any problems of spewing greenhouse gasses and continuing the course of...'business as usual?'

A huge...YEP!

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Nope, it won't be due to just you.

I concur. And with every year we live, most of us anyway,gain a little more insight and knowledge.

Plus I recall your impressive history and background and achievements. I know that you, Mr. Scallion, have knowledge of many things.

You can recognize hyperbole and over sentimentality from at least 20 paces.

Those are very valid qualifications to me and to most people. Tucillo. I thank you for the information that you have shared in the past. You are indeed a scientist.

I presume that the "most of us" who "gain a little more insight and knowledge" pertains only to those who agree with you and Mr. Scallion. Oh well, neither of us will likely change anything or any minds, but at least I'm comfortable that my great-grandchildren will know what side of the issue I was on.