Golf Carts / AZTECA LOOP ... BEWARE!!
 

Seems that they need more $$$ to waste on $25 million fire depts (Orlando), and other Gov waste while the tickets help Gov waste revenue and honest working guy just continues to get hammered!!

Stop Signs in Azteca Loop are now over $200 and the motorcycle cop can't write them fast enough. I've counted 13 tickets this morning and it's still early!

Looks like they could write a WARNING and then write the tickets but 1st time offenders pay the price.

I'd be willing to bet those "1st time offenders" have run the stop sign before - it happens every day all over TV.

Where do you draw the line?

It's okay to run the stop sign.

It's okay to let 4 kids ride on the cart, two of them like golf club bags.

it's okay to let your 11 year old grandchild take the cart out for a drive.

It's okay to drive your cart at 25+mph.

It's okay hit a pedestrian (because they were on your "cart path").

And on and on.

If they ran the stop sign they broke the law. Every time they ran it, not just the time they got caught.

I had an employee get killed on the job in a motor vehicle accident. They weren't wearing a seat belt. (Violation of state law and company safety policy.) They didn't get a ticket. They paid a much bigger price. Maybe the cart drivers getting the tickets won't accidentally pull into that intersection and get creamed tomorrow.

Simple solution................stop sign /stop
I am glad to see some enforcement being done here. Way too many think they do not have to drive in a safe manner.
Lets get some of those on bikes also!:police:

Not to say that I disagree, but I understood that Azteca loop (and other villa streets) was private property, not a public road and cops had no authority to write tickets for stop sign violations.

I like it!!
 

Sounds good to me. Stop means STOP.

stop signs
 

$200 sounds pretty high.seems like they are in it for the money.

I may be wrong...but
 

I believe all the streets in the villages are public.

A stop sign is a stop sign....you must come to a complete STOP!

At this time of year, there is considerably move traffic and a stop sign gives the driver, car or cart, the time to merge into traffic safely.

Can't agree that the honest guy gets hammered....if he stops, he won't be hammered, literally or figuratively.

What's your beef with the fire department? We have a great one here..fire and rescue. Just yesterday, they were called to a neighbor who was in need. I felt better knowing that she was tended to quickly.

ChattanoogaTN,
Thank you for posting the photos. Last week I mentioned to a friend that I saw a motorcycle police officer writing a citation to a woman in a golf car at that very area in the Savannah Rec. Ctr. parking lot. I suggested that it must have been for a stop sign violation but he said it was probably a "fender-bender".
Since that day, I have stopped at every stop sign in town. Yeah, I know, I should have been doing that all along ..... but I am now. All it took was the boys in blue for me to take heed. And, yes, I'm glad to see them in the neighborhoods as well as along the busy roads.

Well..... To start, cars have to beware too. The fine is the same for cars and carts.

I can't figure out your %itch with the Fire Dept. You will have to grow a pair
and just say it.

Honest working guy getting hammered - let's say someone has a hammer and is beating you on the head with it. You start screaming STOP! STOP!
Do you want that person to slow down or do you really want him to STOP?

Stop signs in Azteca Loop are now over $200.00.... Well, to tell you the truth, they are over $200.00 in all of Sumter Co. and maybe Florida too. I hope so.

You counted 13 tickets. Do you live on that street? If you do, I would think
that you would want the laws enforced.


mulligan - Not all streets are public. Villa streets belong to the District.

chacam - Cops can write tickets when they are asked to come in and do so.
I believe that they were asked (and paid) by the district to do just
that. And also to make us all a little safer.

And don't forget the SPEED LIMIT ON AZTECA LOOP IS 10 M.P.H.

BOMBERO ... thanks for the reminder of the 10MPH limit in that community. With the stop signs and speed bumps, I think I've been within that parameter. I would think that the officer will be assigned to other communities on other days, too. In fact, I have seen a patrol car on several occasions with the radar device on Enrique Drive in the Santiago/Santo Domingo communities.

Most times when the deputies are writing in a certain area, it is after repeated "yells" by the residents to enforce the laws. I'm sure they don't get a pleasure out of giving someone a ticket.

Stop means Stop
 

I took my driving test at age 17. Only did one thing wrong. On a closed course there is no traffic, so I just rolled through the STOP. Failed, had to wait a month for another appointment.
Now I teach motorcycle safety. I ride a motorcycle and understand the need to STOP at STOP signs.
I want everyone else on the road to STOP as well.

Good Response Posts Everyone
 

As has been stated, obey the law in car or cart, be it stop sign, red light, or speed. If you do, then why do you care how many tickets are written or how much the fine is....you aren't going to get a ticket or pay a fine. No brainer.chilout

I am on Azteca at least once a week. I'm thrilled they're finally ticketing people. I've been bumped, yelled at and honked at because I actually come to a full stop at each and every stop sign. I have zero sympathy for those who received tickets. They knew the law, they chose to ignore it.

Click on this link


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0714911175365#

Wow!! You could pay down the national debt at that intersection.

Redwitch,
This very same thing happened to me TODAY. I stopped at the first stop sign and then proceeded. I again stopped at the second sign and the person behind me beeped the horn and shouted out "Keep going; what are you stopping for?". Unfortunately, no police during that time.

Oh, by the way ........ the vehicle behind me was an SUV not a golf car this time; I think it was a Lexus RX450 but not sure.

Wow! Looks like lots of folks think a stop sign just a suggestion. :shocked:

Unfortunately you could record a similar scene at any intersection with a stop sign here in The Villages. Villagers, and an occasional Massey's vehicle it seems, seem to feel stop signs are for the other driver. They apply the same logic to the use of turn signals.

I applaud the crack down on Azteca Loop. I use that route often and have observed it carries a lot of traffic. The residents living there deserve a break.

Thanks, TH, for sharing that very revealing clip.

Thanks for the link - I think 7 of the 19 used turn signals.

Signal your intentions, not your accomplishments.

Wow...don't ya all know road signs are all just suggestions. And none of them really apply to me!!

Oh I forgot, socket it to em Dano.

Let's see? What would talk host have earned at $200 a pop?

I use to work with a gal that to her a stop sign was a waste of good sheet metal and her driving record could prove that out. At one time she had to attend a drivers improvement class to get 2 points taken off her record because the next week she was heading back to court on a speeding ticket and 2 more points. Had she not taken the class she would have lost her license for 2 years. She always kept her record about 2 points shy of the limit.

When I was a police officer in Jersey, we had a lady yell and scream about the speeding on her street. I set up radar and the first ticket I wrote for speeding was to her husband, he tried to give me a hard time until I told him who insisted that we do something about the speeding. I wonder how dinner was that night.

QUOTE=gary42651;255888]When I was a police officer in Jersey, we had a lady yell and scream about the speeding on her street. I set up radar and the first ticket I wrote for speeding was to her husband, he tried to give me a hard time until I told him who insisted that we do something about the speeding. I wonder how dinner was that night.[/QUOTE]

Priceless!!:eclipsee_gold_cup:

STOP means What?
 

Well, I don't know . . . someone told Mr. K9-Lovers that S.T.O.P. stands for Squeal Tires On Pavement. But, he was in Canada at the time, so their laws must be different than in the U.S. :police:

Kudos to Law Enforcement
 

The law is the law - STOP means STOP. Kudos to all the local law enforcement agencies that get out on our streets and actually enforce the laws as written. Yes, I understand speedometers are not totally accurate so I can agree with a little "kentucky windage" and officer discretion but basically, I like to see them enforcing the laws. STOP is not a hard concept to understand. I hope they do more of this thing. And if our local fire departments get the money from traffic tickets (which I seriously doubt happens) then that is great too - less taxes for us law abiding citizens. Quit your :cus:, obey the law, and enjoy your drive.

?????
 

What about parking lot lines? ........suggestions? And none of them really apply to you? :clap2:

On the line. over the line, across the lines diagonally, across the line perpendicularly; ...............doesn't matter,.......... the world is their oyster!!!:ohdear:

I agree about stopping. A friend's sister and her hubby were out on their Harleys when someone either ran a red light or ran a stop sign. Both were hit and she was killed. Stop means Stop.

I read that cash strapped cities are stepping up traffic enforcement as a means of replacing lost tax revenue in a down economy. Most of the examples cited were from CA but some other cities were mentioned as well. In one case, for each $10 of scheduled fine, there was $26 additional that was dedicated for municipal services. So a $200 ticket would cost $720. Perhaps a sign of things to come. I just can't remember if the article was posted here or on another site.

Not only are you REQUIRED to stop at a STOP sign but you must also STOP for three seconds (state law)...so California stops aren't going to work. Debate all you want but the law is the law...and ultimately it saves lives, expensive or not.chilout

What statute covers the three second stop?

Common sense...............

I really doubt this 3 second law. Certainly a full stop is mandatory. There is, to my knowledge, no time duration attached to that stop.

In my humble opinion, focusing on traffic law enforcement and punishing traffic offenders by collecting major fines is a great idea for replacing lost tax revenue. Whether they drive cars or golf carts. I do believe that if people insist on breaking traffic laws and putting other people's lives in jeopardy, they should be heavily fined.

Golf cart drivers don't have helmets, seat belts, or a protective frame. And yet many drivers feel they are "king of the road" and cut off cars. Scary!

I believe the traffic law says tires must "stop rotating."

I think it would take three seconds for tires to stop rotating and for a driver to check in both directions at a stop sign.

If drivers feel that stopping for three seconds is too much time to check traffic in both directions, I think they must be awfully busy, and their heads must be on a really fast swivel.

Florida Statute -
 

316.123 Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection.--

(1) The right-of-way at an intersection may be indicated by stop signs or yield signs as authorized in s. 316.006.

(2)(a) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another highway or which is approaching so closely on said highway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection.

(b) At a four-way stop intersection, the driver of the first vehicle to stop at the intersection shall be the first to proceed. If two or more vehicles reach the four-way stop intersection at the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on the right.

(3) The driver of a vehicle approaching a yield sign shall, in obedience to such sign, slow down to a speed reasonable for the existing conditions and, if required for safety to stop, shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway. After slowing or stopping, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time the driver is moving across or within the intersection. If such a driver is involved in a collision with a pedestrian in a crosswalk or a vehicle in the intersection, after driving past a yield sign without stopping, the collision shall be deemed prima facie evidence of the driver's failure to yield the right-of-way.

(4) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.


Also from Florida Statutes (316.003 - definitions) -

(51) STOP.--When required, complete cessation from movement.