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billethkid 04-01-2010 01:18 PM

Corner of Buena Vista and Old Mill Run, anybody know/speculate
 
what all the earth moving and digging is for? Sure hope they do not remove that large oak down by Buena Vista. The back hoes were digging around the base of the tree this morning.

btk

duffysmom 04-01-2010 01:33 PM

What a sad sight. The hill on the property with two magnificent oak trees was leveled today. They took down the two trees.::cryin2: We would take our cart up there and walk our dog and take in the beautiful view of Lake Sumpter. Gone........ I have no idea what is being built and hope it's not another parking lot for the new medical center.

BogeyBoy 04-01-2010 01:39 PM

All that talk about the big house in Pennecamp irritated me. And it's way out there, away from the action. Not to be outdone I decided to build a new place. That big empty lot was ripe for the taking.

My new place will be 12,000 sq feet with a 7 car garage. They will construct it with a nice view over the water. Speaking of water, there will be a moat.

I told them to leave the tree alone.

And don't get any ideas of wandering through the place before it is done, there will be gators in the moat. (Don't worry, you'll be invited to the house warming - minimum house warming gift - $25,000 - or one hand of poker for Tiger.)

ijusluvit 04-01-2010 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BogeyBoy (Post 257182)
All that talk about the big house in Pennecamp irritated me. And it's way out there, away from the action. Not to be outdone I decided to build a new place. That big empty lot was ripe for the taking.

My new place will be 12,000 sq feet with a 7 car garage. They will construct it with a nice view over the water. Speaking of water, there will be a moat.

I told them to leave the tree alone.

And don't get any ideas of wandering through the place before it is done, there will be gators in the moat. (Don't worry, you'll be invited to the house warming - minimum house warming gift - $25,000 - or one hand of poker for Tiger.)

Oh, I'm so relieved! Thought it was a Goodyear store with 7 bays.

jebartle 04-01-2010 02:39 PM

April Fooooool!

Pturner 04-01-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BogeyBoy (Post 257182)
All that talk about the big house in Pennecamp irritated me. And it's way out there, away from the action. Not to be outdone I decided to build a new place. That big empty lot was ripe for the taking.

My new place will be 12,000 sq feet with a 7 car garage. They will construct it with a nice view over the water. Speaking of water, there will be a moat.

I told them to leave the tree alone.

And don't get any ideas of wandering through the place before it is done, there will be gators in the moat. (Don't worry, you'll be invited to the house warming - minimum house warming gift - $25,000 - or one hand of poker for Tiger.)

:clap2::a20:

villages07 04-01-2010 06:58 PM

Where's our inside guy, Mr GMoney, when you need him? I bet he knows the real answer to the question on what is going in to the heretofore empty field.

I've heard that it's residential ...but only a rumor. The Sumter County appraiser website calls it "UNPLATTED SUB EDGEWATER IN THE VILLAGES OF SUMTER DISTRICT 6...which sounds residential. Wonder if it'll be villas, designers or premiers???

Pturner 04-01-2010 06:59 PM

No, no, no. Don't pave paradise to put up a parking lot. :eek:

GatbTester 04-01-2010 08:06 PM

Buena Vista and Old Mill
 
I could be wrong, but I believe it is going to be a medical center with a surgery clinic operating there.

villages07 04-01-2010 09:21 PM

GatB...you're thinking about the empty field adjacent to the lifestyle villas and across from Barnes and Noble. Site work on this has been underway and it will be a day surgery center.

What we're referring to is the empty field across the street from the lifestyle villas, next to Waterfront Hotel. There has been no official announcement on what's going in there.

marianne237 04-01-2010 09:23 PM

I had always hoped it would become a park....with benches and tables to sit and play chess or checkers and just have a quiet place to sit and watch the lake. Boo hoo.

GMONEY 04-02-2010 05:36 AM

I know beside Creekside Landing will be Creekside Medical Plaza, and there is suppose to be a Cancer Center going in. Not sure If that is what will be beside the WaterFront Inn or not. I have some poeple checking it out.

the area besides The Waterfront Inn is going to be Edgewater Cotteges. Suppost to be like Lakeshore Cottege area on the other side of Lake Sumter Landing. Pass on more infor as I get it. Across from that is the Creekside Medical. think the Cancer Center is suppose to be there from what I am hearing.

ajbrown 04-02-2010 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffysmom (Post 257180)
What a sad sight. The hill on the property with two magnificent oak trees was leveled today. They took down the two trees.::cryin2: We would take our cart up there and walk our dog and take in the beautiful view of Lake Sumpter. Gone........ I have no idea what is being built and hope it's not another parking lot for the new medical center.

I guess I always knew it would not stay an open space, but we really liked going there around sunset. Lake Sumter on one side and a beautiful sunset on the other.....

It sure will change the view for those homes on Palmer also....

villages07 04-02-2010 07:37 AM

Right on the GMoney, as usual....thanks G. Do you know if the new Edgewater residential cottages will be immediately for sale or will they be an extension of the Lifestyle Plan Cottages?

I'm sure they will be tastefully done and architecturally pleasing. Glad it's not going to be a parking lot or more commercial space. Although, we sure could use a South end Katie Belles and another Bowling alley.

GatbTester 04-02-2010 08:50 AM

Buena Vista and Old Mill
 
OOOPS, you are correct........senior moments..........what would we do without them? Then on the other hand I heard that it might be the place where the monolith was going to be built....you know from the movie? But then, it;s only hearsay. LOL

billethkid 04-02-2010 09:29 AM

No matter what is going to be put in the space it is tragic
 
that the so called planners could not find a way to save the stately oak on the hill. It would have provided a beautiful setting of some kind...any kind whether the plan is commercial or residential.

This is a case where clearly the dollars to be gained far out weighed the removal of stately oaks, hundreds of years in the making.

When we lived in SC they were a protected species. I have seen stores like Publix have to modify their footprint to fit in areas where the oaks were.....the parking lot made smaller to assure no taking down of the stately oaks. No one seemed to suffer financially.

There are a lot of things TV does that can be rationalized in one behalf or another....the removal of the oak on the hill is nothing less than STUPID, INCONSIDERATE GREED. A black mark in my once high value of TV for their overall approach.

While after the fact and of no consequence except self satisfaction, I will register my complaint and opinion to Gary and Mark Morse.

I am not a tree hugger, but the removal of stately oaks should be a criminal offense......

btk

swrinfla 04-02-2010 02:17 PM

Afraid that I must agree with btk. :thumbup:

And, here I spend lots of time telling outsiders how ecologically-minded the Developer is!

An absolute sin to take down those trees for yet more rental/lifestyle cottages!

Bah, humbug.
:beer3:

Bogie Shooter 04-02-2010 02:38 PM

I guess there is the possibility that the tree(s) were diseased or had trunks that were decayed in the core.
I agree it is unfortunate that they were cut down....but we do no know the whole story.

duffysmom 04-02-2010 04:20 PM

Bogie, I sat under the oak trees each evening enjoying the view and watching the ducks as well as the golfers on Palmer. The trees appeared to be healthy and thriving. Their trunks were massive and the canopy huge. So sad....

pooh 04-02-2010 05:43 PM

It's always sad to see lovely trees go, but then again, I wonder how many lovely trees had to go for our homes to be built?

It would be bothersome to have some start sounding like they can only find "fault" with the community and/or the development of it. It's a lovely place, it's not all going to be greenbelt, the land is probably zoned for homes or commercial so......

Heck, I was upset to see the land where SweetBay sits taken over by the grocery store....now I'm thrilled that it's there, and so close to my house.

billethkid 04-02-2010 07:05 PM

There is no acceptable excuse to take down trees of
 
that size and majesty.

NONE!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

duffysmom 04-02-2010 07:21 PM

To express a concern and a feeling about something, i.e., the oak trees, is not "finding fault with the developer". chilout It always amazes me when people feel that they have to defend the developer. He's a big boy and can take care of himself. Yes, many trees were stripped from the countryside to build this community but that doesn't negate the sadness to see two more come down. In the time that I have lived here I have expressed my admiration for the developer's business acumen but I also belong to the POA.

golf2140 04-02-2010 08:08 PM

After the Hooters Restaurant is built there everyone will be happy!!!!!

GatbTester 04-02-2010 09:27 PM

Buena Vista and Old Mill
 
Hate to say it, but it's always about money with the developer.....ALWAYS..present, past, and future....and that will never change, they would step over a dollar to pick up a nickel. There are days when one wonders when enough is enough.....but knowing how they operate it is not surprising. Look at how many stores that have left Sumter Landing recently due to rents being upped. Shame on you know who.......shame!

chelsea24 04-02-2010 11:44 PM

Agree!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 257338)
that the so called planners could not find a way to save the stately oak on the hill. It would have provided a beautiful setting of some kind...any kind whether the plan is commercial or residential.

This is a case where clearly the dollars to be gained far out weighed the removal of stately oaks, hundreds of years in the making.

When we lived in SC they were a protected species. I have seen stores like Publix have to modify their footprint to fit in areas where the oaks were.....the parking lot made smaller to assure no taking down of the stately oaks. No one seemed to suffer financially.

There are a lot of things TV does that can be rationalized in one behalf or another....the removal of the oak on the hill is nothing less than STUPID, INCONSIDERATE GREED. A black mark in my once high value of TV for their overall approach.

While after the fact and of no consequence except self satisfaction, I will register my complaint and opinion to Gary and Mark Morse.

I am not a tree hugger, but the removal of stately oaks should be a criminal offense......

btk

BTK, you and I seldom agree, but on this we certainly do! Well, said. :agree:
(And I STILL miss the buffalo!)

Bogie Shooter 04-03-2010 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffysmom (Post 257398)
In the time that I have lived here I have expressed my admiration for the developer's business acumen but I also belong to the POA.

What does this mean?

jtdraig 04-03-2010 11:21 AM

Heard it was going to be bowling alley.....don't know if it is true but if it is:yuck:barf

pooh 04-03-2010 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtdraig (Post 257480)
Heard it was going to be bowling alley.....don't know if it is true but if it is:yuck:barf

If it is a bowling alley, then I'm for it. Maybe you don't bowl, but that sport is one that lots of people in The Villages play and the two facilities that we presently have are extremely busy.

I do feel sadness about the trees being cut. Were these old trees free from disease? Maybe, maybe not. Old trees are subject to disease, becoming brittle and having limbs fall, even though they look healthy. Winds can cause limbs to come crashing down.
Saw enough tall trees fall in CA....eucalyptus to be specific. Granted, they aren't live oak, but tall, old trees can still be a problem. Where I lived, an entire orchard had to be removed...the trees look healthy, but the roots were infected and the trees were going to die.

I'm saddened that an old tree has been removed. Maybe it was just because the space was needed, maybe it was because of potential problems with it in the future. We don't know specifically and speculating is just that, speculating. If I sound like I'm defending the builder, it's not my intention, though he is the one who owns the property and has the right to do as he wishes, with permission from all local authorities.

pqrstar 04-03-2010 11:51 AM

In my former state, developers built a mall called "The Oaks."

They designed the parking lot with large grassy areas to protect the hugh trees.

All the trees died within a few years.

I guess they were just too stressed.

Chi-Town 04-03-2010 12:29 PM

Went past there yesterday. It appears that they are staking lots. Could be an extension of Bridgeport at Lake Sumter. It would make sense to build Premier homes on valuable lakefront property. Unfortunately, nobody wants to pay that price and have their view affected by trees. That could be the reason for their untimely removal.

Pturner 04-03-2010 08:38 PM

Come now!
 
If the tree had been diseased and required removal, this would have been explained in The Daily Sun. Yes, I know the developer had the right to do it. That doesn't make it the right thing to do. :cry:

Chi-Town 04-03-2010 08:48 PM

I agree.

Bogie Shooter 04-04-2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 257542)
If the tree had been diseased and required removal, this would have been explained in The Daily Sun. Yes, I know the developer had the right to do it. That doesn't make it the right thing to do. :cry:

You would not read that in the Daily Sun.

tpop1 04-04-2010 11:07 AM

Just an observation in contrast......
 
Were no stately oaks removed to build our lovely Villages homes?

Russ_Boston 04-04-2010 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpop1 (Post 257613)
Were no stately oaks removed to build our lovely Villages homes?

This is mostly just another NIMBY. Of course many were removed. But (IMHO) TV's main thoroughfares (Buena Vista, Morse) look fantastic with the beautiful oaks with the Spanish moss.

Should trees be spared if possible? Of course. But sometimes it is not possible.

rabonkmontage@msn.com 04-04-2010 12:48 PM

more trees lost
 
There will be more tree's lost when they widen the golf cart paths up north.

Bogie Shooter 04-04-2010 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabonkmontage@msn.com (Post 257630)
There will be more tree's lost when they widen the golf cart paths up north.

And more trees will be planted.

2catsmeow 04-05-2010 05:56 PM

I just heard that they are supposed to be building a bowling alley on that property - has anyone else heard that?

Bogie Shooter 04-05-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2catsmeow (Post 257879)
I just heard that they are supposed to be building a bowling alley on that property - has anyone else heard that?

Did you hear that by reading the above posts?

bkcunningham1 04-05-2010 06:21 PM

Not to be disrespectful of anyone. When life gives you acorns, make oak trees...so to speak. We have two stately live oaks on our property in the prehistoric side of The Villages; one on the golf course side and one on the street side. We are very protective of these, sorry to be cliche', majestic trees. But hey, we are humans here in this space we call earth. Urban sprawl doesn't have to mean neglect. Many of us brag and are rightfully proud about what type of wood floors or cabinets we have. It took trees to make these human commodities. I think that is great and the way it was intended to be. But, look to the future. Plant a tree to replace the ones lost. They are long term renewable resources.

http://forestry.about.com/od/treepla.../oak_acorn.htm

http://www.projo.com/garden/content/...4.1c79307.html


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