Homes Sold South of 44
 

I have heard time and time again how the area south of 44 is booming and hundreds and hundreds of homes are being sold every month.

The real place to find out how sales are in any CDD is to look at the audits that are released yearly for every CDD. This is what was in the audits for the year ending September 30, 2018 for CDD 12 which is the area south of 44.

"Village CDD No. 12 (Sumter County) – This CDD’s boundary consists of
approximately 1,483 acres within the city limits of the City of Wildwood in the in the
northeast corner of the county. Planned development includes construction of 6,144
residential units of which 4,608 remain unsold as of the end of the Fiscal Year."

If you do the calculation that means that since February 2017 when they began selling there until October 2018 (20 months) they actually sold 1536 homes.

According to the 2017 audit they had sold 206 by September 30, 2017,

Feb 2017 - Oct 2017 - 206 residential units sold south of 44
Oct 2017 - Oct 2018 - 1330 residential units sold south of 44

Those are the real numbers according to the approved audits.

Here is what our TOTV in house realtor/advisor says about first half of 2018 new homes sales; https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...6/#post1562288 You can see for yourself that the place is booming by just driving around.

Who cares! They will all be sold. When they stop selling, they will stop building. Meantime, good employment for many people.

Thank you.

I am not alone when I say I appreciate actual verifiable facts and not opinions.

This would jive with data on the Sumter County Appraiser's website, which indicates the following sales in The Villages south of 44:

2017: 354
2018: 1472
2019: 218

The property appraiser tends to run a few weeks behind in recording new sales on their website.

Build baby build. If you want to see what happens at build out visit Sun City Center


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Curiosity got me. What happens at build out?

The inmates take over the asylum. [emoji6]

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None of us will ever know.

By my math, that is still 6+ homes per day being sold (52 weeks times 5 days). Not bad if you think about it.

That math was based on the 1330 number not the 1472 number , which comes out to 7+ per day.

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I agree that it will be good employment for many people. The problem I am afraid of is that TVRH is already at the max. It is harder to get an appointment at many doctors offices and getting there is more of a nightmare. I have to go up to the cancer center next to the hospital six days a week and it is taking me about 36 mins each way as opposed to 25 mins a year ago. That is 60 mins per week that I waste. Going to churches is more crowded so you have to go earlier and then you may have to stand. the new Publix on Kristine Way is getting as crowded as colony is. As I look at the rec news to find ideas for recreational clubs there are many that are filled up. :boxing2: Restaurants are crowded, more so than other snow bird times in past year. A realtor from the Villages said they will just start building more and more stuff. Judging by the time it has taken to build Trailwind that will help alleviate the crowd in a year or so at best. I can't see many people traveling down to Waterman hospital on an ongoing basis.
None of these mentioned is a problem for the Villages, it is a problem for us.:ohdear: And they are only about one fourth built, Life as we knew it in TV is going to change drastically.:faint::sigh:And where are we all going to golf?:rant-rave:

It really doesn't matter. In 2017 and part of 2018 they were aggressively selling new homes in Oceola and the Pines along with a few further north. Now except for the few further north if buyers want a new home all are south of 44. The number of homes sold here every week still amazes me and I don't think the developers spend a lot of money on national advertising, mostly word of mouth. A lot of these homes are being bought by those owning homes north of 44 that are choosing to live down here and we know quite a few that are already buying their second homes here. Most of the resales are from those going into their second homes.

Sally, The market will adjust, a rising tide lifts all ships, the business and food industries are much more aware we are here now and will be quicker to locate here, especially in this good economy.

People are NOT just moving to The Villages, they are also moving to Ocala, Fruitland Park, Wildwood, Oxford, Leesburg, and all of Lake, Sumter, and Marion Counties. Florida is now the third most populous State in the union. We are ahead of New York in population. If The Villages don't build, someone not as good will.

I kinda agree although only to the point that it is busier that it used to be but, for us, it's still better than it was in the metro areas up north. We are in TV health system so getting into a care center withing a day is still happening. I recently used Urgent Care and was in an out easily. There are more health care facilities going up near Brownwood and I suspect more will show up to offload those below 44. Just takes time. Most people I talk to that came from the north still believe traffic is easier than where they left but agree it is heavier than it was a couple years ago during the season. We do 90% of our traveling inside the bubble on carts since being in a hurry for anything disappeared with schedules and deadlines when we were working. We are enjoying the excitement of growth and the new stuff that will show up as Corporations review this area against their business plans (who knows, maybe a Costco :)) may show up. I also suspect that in 5 years or so those in the south will have no reason to travel north and those in the north will have no reason to travel south and the loads will even out. When we moved to Hillsborough almost 5 years ago we were chastised by friends for moving so far south....now we are in the middle. Soon, we will be in the old section :)

My "bold" function on this site doesn't work anymore, but I wanted to emphasize what you said about people not having reason to travel south or north for facilities. I hope that is true, and that there will be enough country clubs, golf courses, pickleball courts, etc., in the southern areas to satisfy the residents there. Some of their amenities are better than what we have (putting course, zero entry swimming pool), but maybe it will just become a TV North and TV South situation. People normally don't want to travel too far to just have fun on a daily basis.

I believe, that 'Da Family' believes, that the participation rate for golf will continue to decline and they are therefore going to concentrate on providing those things...they think future retirees are going to want.


Whatever that turns out to be. :shrug:

Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that.

I think you may well be right on this.

In the two years that they have been working down here, 36 holes of Executive golf are open, Pitch and Put opens in a few days, another executive 18 holes as well as a Championship course are now in the works, that's not bad for 24 months.

Dear Vintage. I don't know why this topic was introduced. My hair trigger response was in protecting the feelings of those living in the new areas which always seem to be the butt of criticism. I don't know why, but it happens all of the time. I don't know if it is people who can't live in The Villages and wish they could, or it is outlanders who don't like older people, or people who have NEVER even seen the new areas or those who are against more development in The Villages or people who are anti-developer for a variety of reasons that I have gone over and over again, or is it is just they are "contrarians"??? We have three friends who have bought in your area and love it. They had lived in other areas of The Villages. Every time we come down to eat there and drive around I think how lovely it is. I hope, Vintage, that you both enjoy your home and your village and your area for many, many years to come.

My money is on the people who just don't like change and want everything to stay as it was when they first moved here.

You have a good point there. When my younger brother came out to visit his wife, a former triathlete, was looking for gyms and non-paved walking trails that were easier on her legs. They drove down to Southern Oaks to use the trails and loved it down there.

They are not golf cart people, too loud and smell like gas to her, so driving a car to places was not a big deal.

They are not quite ready to retire, but I can see the Southern Oaks amenities might be tailored more to this type of retiree.

What year golf cart was she riding in 1990 model? They do make electric.

First we had her ride in a 2018 Street Rod, then a 2016 electric par cart with big wheels. Also tried out the 2017 quiet tech Yamaha yesteryear. Was not happy with any of them. Some folks just don’t like golf carts. I love them, so I prefer to live where I can get everywhere by golf cart.

We think what they are doing in Southern Oaks is great!

We live in Osceola Hills and we love to walk and bike together. That is hard in our neighborhood because we have to dodge the cars on the road and have to dodge the carts on the MMPs. We had been going to creepy Lake Okahumpka just so we could at least walk side-by-side.

For the last few months we have been walking thru Linden and Monarch Grove on Sundays when there are no workers, but now they are building wonderful pedestrian walking paths around Hogeye Marsh and they are absolutely beautiful. According to the plans, golf carts will not be allowed. We love what we see.

Yeah, we do not even own a golf cart. We play a lot of golf on the Exec courses and always walk.

What’s your point Paul? Is there a conspiracy theory lurking in your mind? Who cares?? Thousands of people already live there. The area is providing hundreds of good jobs. Thousands more will live there. It’s called progress.

I 100% agree with this. Retirees (and other people) are fleeing the cold north for the warm south in droves.

We are several years from retiring, but we are on the hunt for a nice warm place to land. TV seems to have the best formula of the places we've investigated. Holding to that formula will continue to attract people, and TV will grow. It'd be interesting if The Developer would jump to a disconnected area - like Sarasota - and start an entirely new TV style development. But someone is going to buy up all the pasture & farmland in central FL & turn it into housing for northerners. It may as well be TV's developer.

And based on my wife & I planning to move to TV, her parents are in the process of moving there, and they've mentioned the place to several of their friends and some of them are now looking at moving down. A good product sells itself.

I absolutely agree with you. I have never heard so many residents complain so much about The Villages uncontrolled rapid growth of home builds and population growth we are experiencing. It is far outpacing the resources that it takes to make for a comfortable life in The Villages. Many weeks, to get an appointment with a Medical Specialist Doctor is only one example. I have a long list of other related problems. Personally, my “Record” to see a Specialist is 14 weeks. It is still problem, even during non-Snow Bird Times of year. I suggest we attend POA Meetings and present a United Front. There is a huge post on Facebook, about this overcrowded. The related Complaints, of Overcrowding, hugely overwhelm any positive comments. This negative situation needs to be brought under control. Many residents are looking at moving elsewhere, already.

:welcome: I see you are in Dunedin. Welcome to TOTV, I really hope you enjoy the Forum.

:agree: A good product sells itself.

If you want to see what happens at build out just look at the historic side and pretty much everything north of 466A The developer is totally out those areas. You can buy any house you want, tear it down and get whoever you want to build a new one. The historic side had 3 or 4 different builders but now the villages developers are the only one you see now. The villages can build cheaper than other builders.

According to my VPN I am in Hanoi today, and I am enjoying the forum!

The "inmates" (?) I assume that is the residents of course. Seems that could be a good thing or a bad thing, just like some condo associations are a real blessing in fairness to residents and protecting everyone's investment; others not so good, just like our country, you are only going to get the quality to elect. In the Sun City example (Tampa ?) do the residents now have a greater voice in how often and how much their amenity fees raise, how the money is spent ? Seems no matter who controls, it still boils down to the integrity/morals/values/ motives of those in charge ! At least it seems more "inmates" would have the basic interests of residents at heart as opposed to pure profit.

In Michigan wait for OBGYN is 7 months, orthopedic and cardiac is close to 5 months. So 14 weeks is a bonus

Growth south of 44 has definitely been beneficial for Brownwood as many more stores and restaurants will be built near us. But the massive increase in traffic is a concern particularly the intersection of 301 and the turnpike. TV developers should be required to open up another access to the turnpike at 468. If it is bad now with less than 10% complete, it will be unbearable when they sell the rest of the homes.

This is my opinion and my careful observation and my assessment. This wonderful place really only works because of the integrity of the developers. They have chosen to continue working in very high stress jobs that require enormous effort and have invested and re-invested their own money, time and time again. They could have stopped at any time and lived like royalty with enough money to fund that lifestyle to their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren. They have the ability to buy or they own any material things they want. There MUST be more to their motives than money.

Perhaps it is the legacy of their dad and grandfather's dream and successful efforts. Perhaps it is the fact that no where on the face of this earth is there such a place, just for older people to live and enjoy their last decades. Maybe they know their business supports thousands of workers directly or indirectly.

And maybe it is just selfish greed.

I am going to go sit on my very much nicer than average chair at my closest rec center today and I am going to paint along with a lot of other older people and I am going to see the beautiful things they create and I am going to study their faces again, and I am going to think more about this.

It is going to be another beautiful day in The Villages.

Let's not even try to delude ourselves. :oops:

Other than the Bill Gates/Warren Buffett's of the world who have pledged to give away their fortunes, I don't see a whole lot of altruism...in the mega-rich.

For most...there is never enough money.

Yes, they will modify or improve their product/services to make them more attractive to their customers (to increase sales), but let's be totally honest...it isn't being done out of the 'goodness of their hearts.' :ohdear:

And more power to them, as I admire those who are very successful.

BUT, I neither worship, nor am jealous of them, as I am fortunate enough...to have all I need. :ho:

Yeah I can't imagine why anyone would continue trying to make millions MORE dollars than the millions they already have, when they can just hand the whole shebang over to an independent board and rest easy on their laurels. Unless - they get sucked into the more-is-more mentality, which is what most uber-wealthy people have.

The Morses aren't doing diddly for the community. They're destroying it. The community was farmers. They've displaced the farmers, razed the farms, displaced the animals that lived on the farm, sown chaos into the environment and infrastructure of Florida's beautiful wildlife areas. They're "paved paradise and put up a parking lot." So from the "community" standpoint - they've been nothing but destructive, and everyone who lives there now (including myself) is a contributor to that destruction.

Pretending otherwise is just denial. A person has to really want to not believe the truth, to believe the Morse family has any interest in altruism or their step-great-granddad's legacy at this point. Perhaps it's a self-defense mechanism, so you don't feel guilty about the abject destruction you really are contributing to: pretend it's not happening.

If that's the way you feel why are you living here? You need to do some deep soul searching and start seeing the cup half full.