College Admissions Scandal
 

What should the jail time be???

Enough jail (gen pop, not 'country club') time and money, to make the next 'entitled' person...think more than twice about doing it. :thumbup:

If these beautiful people get jail time I'll be shocked. They'll get a fine and community service.

Should get fined and community service. I would be surprised if any of these people get actual jail time.

No jail time. Colleges should be easier to get into, and the tuition should be a lot less expensive. There is no need for students to go into debt to get an education. The system is corrupt.

They should be required to fund scholarships for bright underprivileged kids

Jail to those who accepted the bribes. Fines and suspended sentences for the those who payed the bribes.

Martha Stewart went to jail for what I consider a less offense. She adapted and overcome. Depends on the judge.

I must be old school
 

Easy to get-reduces the value.
Students to go into debt. In the real world there are many options. Military service comes to mind. I went to a community college for a two year degree. Cost was very reasonable. I then transferred to a four year school and got my 4 year degree there.

Bills?
I worked and saved all through high school. I had roughly 10,000 in savings FROM WORK. In today's dollars that is roughly 60,000. After getting my degree, I planed on relaxing a bit.
The cam e the bank note-congratulation on your graduation your first payment on YOUR LOAN is due ????????? I had my degree. I owed 13,000 in today's dollars roughly 80,000. I got married, my net worth was negative numbers. We lived cheap, I worked a second part time job and WE PAID OUR BILLS.
FAIR? In my world fair is you make your choices and YOU pay the price of the choices you made. I for one do not understand the current thought that you should benefit when things go well and someone else should pay for your mistakes.
Was college a mistake? I can't answer that. A path not taken is my best thought on that.

As this story developed
 

I recall an interview with a college administrator where he stated of course they give special consideration to the kids of alma mater
who donate buildings but bribing the coach is a crime.

In plainspeak- a bribe is a bribe.

I agree with whoever said the people who TOOK the bribes should get jail time, AND forward every single cent of the money he collected, to the scholarship funds of the schools that benefitted from it.

The people who PAID the bribes should be required to pay the same amount to the scholarship funds of the schools they bribed their kids' way into. They should be required to pay whatever sum that was, every year, for ten consecutive years. They shouldn't go to jail, because that would give them an excuse to claim they can't afford it anymore (since they can't do their million-dollar-jobs from jail).

The kids who got the free ride should be re-evaluated by the corresponding schools, and determined whether or not they even qualify to get in the next year - and then their parents should be required to foot the bill at 100% tuition, no grants, loans, or scholarships.

No scandal, rich been doing ever since college was created. The real crime is the ones that took the bribe, we know Hollywood preps are clueless. they are supposed be held to high standard, just like politicians. O, it the same isn’t it.

The people I would like to put in jail are the students who borrow taxpayer money, and then spend the rest of their lives doing everything they can to avoid paying it back.

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Sounds like most did ~$10k ti $25k.........I assume they are throwing the book at the $500,000 Full House lady.


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Methinks instead of spending $500k bribing school officials to get your two daughters into college, spending a fraction of that on tutors and hard studying to bring their SAT's up...would have been money much better spent. :oops:

It seems to me that the reason this wasn't done, is because the mother has obviously been protecting/making excuses for her two daughters...all of their lives.

The lessons and example of how if you have money, "the rules don't apply," that their mother has ingrained...far exceeds any other formal education that they will ever receive.

I kinda feel sorry for the daughters in a way, because they will have to work hard the rest of their lives, to be successful on their own...so as to try & shake the stench of being 'entitled/spoiled little brats.'

"Thanks a lot Mom." :ohdear:

Give them a fish or a fishing pole.

Since they have the money, if there is jail time............maybe they should pay for their costs in jail as well.

It can happen, but beautiful people rarely go to jail.

How Lori Loughlin Is Reacting to College Scam Charges

Lori Loughlin may end up going to prison. She could wind up at Coleman.

Well said. I don't think people should be able to continue to get money for college loans if they are failing. I see people on Judge Judy who are in their thirties and forties and in a college program and using the money to take vacations and get botox.

The government agrees with Judge Judy..


"You need to make satisfactory academic progress in order to continue receiving federal student aid. In other words, you have to make good enough grades, and complete enough classes (credits, hours, etc.), to keep moving toward successfully completing your degree or certificate in a time period that’s acceptable to your school."

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/eligibi...aying-eligible

While student loans have absolutely nothing to do with this thread, thought maybe if maybe wants to begin a thread on that ubject instead of hijacking this one....this may be a good start

I still remember years ago watching Federal agents towing and repossessing a Mercedes from a multi-million dollar house in Atlanta to collect on a student loan. The house was owned by a very successful, middle aged doctor. I also remember a 68 year old woman, who called in to a legal talk show. She wanted to sell a piece of property to retire, but wanted the lawyer to advise her on how to avoid the proceeds from being used to pay off her student loan. If you have a student loan, pay it off. The total student loan debt is now more than 1.5 trillion dollars, and about 12 percent of the loans are in default.

How about you begin a thread on how to pay for college at todays cost if you are not rich....this thread is about a few crimes committed, not to get into college, but to insure entrance in specific schools.

Glad the law caught them......

"....using the money to take vacations and get botox"



" When a borrower takes out a student loan, the money is disbursed directly to the college, meaning the college receives its money immediately. The borrower then becomes responsible for repaying the loan. In the case of a federal student loan, the federal government is responsible for ensuring the borrower repays the loan in full."

How The Federal Government Could Control College Costs

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I'm not sure that I agree that the thread has nothing to do with student loans. I think that the only reason people were charged with a crime is because the colleges use Federal money. If they were totally private schools, what would be the crime? Much of the money that funds colleges comes from Federal student loans. If you want to put these actors in jail, then you should also put others in jail who abuse the system that uses Federal funds for college. This includes some students and some of the people who manage the schools. There is plenty of waste and corruption in the college system. I am just saying that, when you decide to put people in jail, you need to consider the overall system, and who is abusing it the most.

WOW.....People paying off to get their kids in SELECTED colleges and NOT to get a loan is what this is about....NOT ABOUT STUDENT LOANS....start another thread.

READ...READ..PLEASE AND explain why someone would pay such large sums to get a loan....think about the stupidity of that

All of the Federal money provided for college education does not go directly to the schools. For example, the veterans program and other programs allow money for living expenses and other expenses and the students can spend it anyway they want.

WHY YOU ASK.

FRAUD, BRIBERY AND now added money laundering which we should be used to by now......paying money to a foundation that is supposed to have a purpose of charitable....but then sending the money to the other felons involved.

I may seem weird to you now but FRAUD, BRIBERY AND MONEY LAUNDERING ARE AGAINST THE LAW

Then you should go after the federal government on federal aid because the government disagrees with you....

In post previous I supplied you with the link.....so if exceptions allow that information on here but on another thread, please as this is simply about those involved in the scandal

I'll try to stay on topic. The thread is about whether or not the actors should go to jail for what they did. In my opinion, they should not because the harm they caused is a mere drop in the bucket as compared to the overall corruption within the college system, including admissions, tuition, salaries, tenure, wasteful spending, and the athletic programs.

So...Fraud, Bribery and money laundering is ok with you ?

Interesting philosophy on justice you hold.

Folks who commit these federal crimes would applaud you, but your vision of justice and the law is skewed quite a bit.

Please before I say more...make your case for thevforgiving of these crimes.

Also, please validate and supply information on the "corruption" within the college system. Accusations are so easy to make until you need to make your case, WHICH AGAIN US NOT THE TOPIC IF THIS THREAD.

This is an opinion thread with a vote. And, it looks like 17 percent of those who voted said there should be no jail time. In a court, I think that would equate to a hung jury, and they would not go to jail. Different people have different opinions.

With respect to fraud and bribery, I think the people who were bribed were athletic coaches who worked for the schools, and the people who were defrauded were the school admission officials who were defrauded by the coaches. Shouldn't the school management be held liable for hiring dishonest coaches and incompetent admissions personnel? Just asking, and I don't know if any top level college officials are being charged. But, normally, managers have some responsibilty for what people they hire do.

I am quite sure a TOTV poll would be integral to the justice system. I suggest you read a bit.....

Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman: 1 Scandal, 2 Actresses, Diverging Paths - The New York Times

this will spell out some differences between the offenses committed.

Again, on opinions....based on your post,it is your opinion that Fraud, money laundering and bribery should not be used even if the charges are easily proven.

This logic escapes me....we are living with Fraud, conspiracy and-money laundering and you wantour justice system to simply ignore it. They are serious crimes and while many on here don't think so, I still do, no matter who does it.

They are going to jail...I implore you to read more..they have been indicted. This is a local story,but every single person involved has been indicted

Local parents, Stanford coach indicted in college-admissions scandal | News | Palo Alto Online |

From what I read, the coaches and some of the test proctors have been indicted. I didn't see that any admissions officials or higher level school management people were indicted. I find it very difficult to believe that the people on the school admissions board or committee are not culpable. They must be extremely incompetent. If I were on the board, I don't think that I would ever admit a student on a athletic scholarship who didn't even play the sport. Really?

Well, maybe you could offer to help with the investigation so those who you must feel are not competent can go on to investigate real crooks, not these that you excuse because of other reasons.

Listen.....We have talked this into the ground, but allow me to state what my beliefs on this an so many other things we may have touched on.....

....I do not believe in making accusations of any kind without supplying darn good reasons to do so. I will, if possible challenge any accusation that is not accompanied by some kind of credibility. Making serious false accusations is sick as hell in my opinion. You have to be very mean spirited to do that (without some sort of reason actually related to the charge made)

....I believe, despite the recent attacks on, our justice system. They have a damn good track record and are dedicated to serving our laws. Having worked closely with many I speak proudly of them.

......I believe in being informed on what you are speaking of. So many times the threads on here are pretty much a reflection of some cable news show the night before (see Smollet). I do not think you should be speaking of public issues without any knowledge as you simply cloud everything and lose credibility (trust me on this...I KNOW.....been called a lot and still am but never a liar or never ill informed.

.....I believe on TOTV, so many change avenues and directions on threads to make a statement complete devoid of facts and relativity. We have been asked to stay on subject and I think we should honor that.

.....One more thing on the justice system. I believe in punishing those who break the law....I dismiss your comment on not punishing Bribery, Fraud and Money Laundering. When possible, all of those should be brought to bear and punished.

Sorry for the lecture........A poster yesterday or the day before in a tirade on me said I used to many words.....I think she was right, but I maintain it takes more words for me because I do not make stuff up or make simply false accusations.

These are very serious crimes, and to the thread title, I think they should get the maximum penalty allowed by law. We cannot allow such serious crimes go unpunished

Take care...might see you later on here

Not sure murder is a fair comparison to bribery/corruption. Yes they are both crimes but violent crimes are generally heinous. White collar crimes, not so much..

The punishment should fit the crime.