Why O why & Why O why???
 

Why do people support the Developer / TV Concept,



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Why do other people appear to want to negative and have a dislike for TV/The Developer???


So many times, threads get off of the OP's topic and turn into a debate on The Developers, The Villages' concept, personal attacks against the Developers and the personal support of the Developers.


The Moderators will give us some room here, but let's see if we can flush some of the thoughts / logic out prior to this thread being locked down.




Me????.................I have a lot of respect for the business people who risk their financial well being to develop/create something. ie: The Wright Brothers; Bill Gates; Ben Franklin; John Baird; Delbert Webb: Harley Davidson; as examples. Some got very rich, some did not. To me, that's the American Way.


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IMHO

Why do people support the Developer / TV Concept? - because it supplies a nice, easy life-style

Why do other people appear to want to be negative and have a dislike for TV/The Developer? - jealousy

We looked at many places to retire. I never thought I would leave San Diego County, but it got so crowded and gang troubles made the decision easier. I am an avid golfer, but my wife is not. So many places we looked at were centered around a golf course(s) and a clubhouse. Great for me, not for her. On a trip to visit my son in Sarasota, we decided to look here and found a community that certainly filled my golfing expectations but most importantly provided the abundance of activities to fulfill those of my wife.

We’ve been here 13 years and appreciate what the
Morse family has built as they have built a community that has opportunities for many interests. Further, they live here as well and show no intent to leave. Yes, they remain in control either directly or through the central CDDs, but their record is largely positive.

So, I do appreciate the developer and what they’ve created for us to purchase a home and a lifestyle. I do also support those who watch out for the residents as this community grows.

Why do some appear negative? One thought is that the place seems like a resort to some instead of a community. In a resort, you tend to feel the owner should provide for your expectations, and I think some residents feel the developer is not doing that for them.

Negative posters do not like successful &/or rich people......probably posters' self inadequacies.

I agree 100%.

Maybe the complainers don't have the guts to put their own money on the line when starting a business.
I know a few business owners and most don't turn a real profit for quite some time after starting out.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

A truly simple answer
 

People are people.
Some of the ones you mention. The Wright Brothers-most know or think they know that they were bicycle mechanics.
At the time, even today building a bicycle required engineering, machining as well as manufacturing and sales. One of the key things the Wright Brothers did was to make their engine out of aluminum rather than cast iron, steel etc. At the time aluminum was both rare and expensive. Perhaps same as today, after their first flight the Wright Brothers attempted to sell to the military.

Ben Franklin was apprenticed to his brother-A CODE OF HONOR.
Ben Franklin learned quickly as he was very bright but he broke his father's contract of honor and quit the terms of his apprenticeship. It is interesting that he has a reputation as a ladies man. HUM it was not due to his looks.

As far as the developer. My opinion as I read these threads, few comprehend what it takes to run this place. People being people will/do complain. It is clearly RARE that people who complain have a solution to the problem. I for one regularly wonder what this place would be like if the INMATES were running it.

I'm waiting for the negative posters to post.

Because people suck .

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That's a pretty negative post, right there. Shaming people you've never met on a forum created to benefit the community in which you live...

If it wasn't for negativity...TOTV wouldn't exist
It basically a place to express Villages drama I know off topic

Do some posters actually dislike the developer or are they simply tired of slavish devotion to the Morse family and the refusal to hear a bad word about them on the part of some other posters?

Is it negative for someone to remark that they found the evening with the developer to be boring, or not to like The Sun, or to wish for different/more amenities? People can enjoy living here and admire all that's been accomplished but still have a few gripes.

Telling everyone who has a complaint that they're free to leave is the real negativity, IMO.

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Not really. It could be a reason for negativity.


If you re-read the OP = "Why do other people appear to want to negative and have a dislike for TV/The Developer???"


The post responds to the OP.


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Right on! Good post! 👏👏👏👏👏

I give The Developer a lot of credit. The Morse family's built an impressive community. They have every right to make a profit.
I get tired of people who complain that "Da Developer" only cares about the money. They feel that The Developer should pay for or fix everything. I don't think people understand what it takes to develop and maintain something like this.
But mostly I don't understand if people have such disdain for an entity that they feel is only in it for the money, why do they stay?
I worked for a large corporation and there were people who constantly complained about "the company/management." I always wondered why they worked there? No one is holding a gun to your head... go somewhere that is a better fit. If you're not willing to do that... then why are you complaining??

What’s the difference between an opinion one doesn’t agree with and shaming? I see the negative comments as the former myself.

When I was a young, just promoted squaddie, I asked my old sergeant why the lads were always bitching and complaining.
"Thats good," he said, "they are still listening, and doing what you say. Start worrying, and watch your back when they stop!"
Carried that advice right through my working life. So true.

The Developer could give every household $1000 and some would complain.

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Come on! The mean tightwad should make it $2000 :icon_wink:

I totally disagree. I am financially very well off, and I am not at all jealous of the developer. But I think businesses have certain responsibilities particularly when you create a place for retired people who have sunk much of their savings and uprooted their lives to live in the place you have developed. The developer has created expectations and made promises, and they need to be held accountable. For example, this place is heavily advertised as a golf community, and the overall condition of the golf courses is sub-par. That is inexcusable in my opinion. There are other examples, (I'm thinking of the $40 million class action lawsuit where the Developer mis-used amenity fees) but the point is, the actions of the Developer have been less than stellar in certain situations and residents have a right to be unhappy and need to pay attention so they aren't taken advantage of.

Thanks.


Interesting.


Have you played the Country Clubs lately????.........the conditions are far from sub-par. Sometimes the condition slips on a CC course once-in-a-while, but it's addressed. I enjoy the courses.



Mis-use of fees is never stellar. But the thread is really for the people who are constantly negative towards the Developer........no matter what. "You" know who they are. Just wondering why.


Thanks for the post.

The Glass is Half Empty, The Glass is Half Full! There is no way that at our advanced ages that anyone will ever Change, Much!

That being said I find it hard to believe that anyone would have any kind of grudge or Negative feeling toward anyone who put an Operation Like this together. If it's because of Jealousy then some kind of Professional Counseling should help you find the answers you seek. Don't forget for a minute that This Wonderful Family didn't twitch their nose like Samantha on Bewitched and all of this just appeared. Any Business Owner can tell you that they had many sleepless nights while building their business. They paid their dues.

We are entirely grateful to everyone who put this entire deal together. Not only The Morse Family. They have many devoted employees who actually care about the way we live. What a Superior way of life this is over any that we've been personally exposed to or told about. I rest my case for my Support Side of the Story!

For those who don't support all those that I mentioned or who find it necessary to speak of the people as Da Family which I take as a derogatory term, a shot to tie them to negative connotations of the mob, I feel sorry for you for missing out on the Best Way To Spend $150 A Month And Feel Great About It. If Da Family was used in a Joking Way, I Apologize for my thoughts. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and Spew Venom. I wonder if that would be said Face to Face if the Opportunity ever Arose.

My opinion is that at the macro level most people support TV concepts...in fact most people give high praise to it.

My opinion is also that what we refer to as negative comments comes much more at the micro level....things that directly affect them....long lines at the pickle ball courts, some road conditions, classes too full, and one that really is stepping into a hot bed by mentioning is the condition of the executives courses.

So in summary, I think the positives towards TV concepts are at a macro level and most of the negatives comes from the micro level. Some would equate those negatives as being negative towards tv concepts and the developer personally when in reality they are not at all.

As an Economist, I appreciate your prospective.

I always say, "where were you when the developer went to the bank to borrow large sums of money"?, before they even knew TV would be wildly successful. This was nothing but watermelon farms and pastures and the developer had the vision to build what I would call a paradise. Is it perfect? No, but it's awfully close.

Who's to say how one is raised, to view life as a positive experience or to feel as if the other shoe is ready to drop.

I for one, am glad the developer had children/grandchilren, who plan on staying here and keep this place in immaculate condition.

I prefer to look at the positives as I never have lived in a place that runs like clockwork.

I agree, most of the criticism here is aimed at very specific issues in TV, not TV as a whole. Some people will throw in negative comments that are based in Jealousy, but we all know who they are and should ignore them.
If you want Negative, go on the Facebook pages dedicated to TV - there it is mostly people from out of state and locals around Lady Lake and from surrounding retirement communities - and they are horribly negative. Just bashing.
I actually dropped off of a few they were just so bad.
Ed

It seems to me that both viewpoints have merit and I enjoy hearing from differing viewpoints. There seems to me to be no doubt that the Schwartz, Morse team had a vision for a retirement community that no one else was able to realize. Because of their vision they have built an enterprise that has attracted some 130,000 mostly happy people and enriched the family immensely. Does this mean that they are above criticism or perfect? I think not! They are like most people, they have their flaws and their blindspots, but unlike most people, they have been wildly successful, and right far more often than they are wrong. I think that they are very good at what they do, and deserve the wealth they have earned, but that when they are wrong it should be pointed out and subject to criticism or even recourse. Those that see the developers as perfect seem to me to have a huge blindspot, as do those who see them as wicked and greedy. I see them as successful entrepreneurs who have filled a huge need with a marvelous product, but with some minor flaws which should be pointed out and addressed.

Agree! By the way Im also a Packer/Bucks/Brewers fan..Born and raised in Milw and now in Caledonia for the past 10 years. We are neighbors up north!

What a perfect response..I agree with everything you wrote.. And i must say as delighted I am with the vision and overall community and it's success, Im equally bothered when some have a problem with those that use this forum to make others aware of problems that directly affect them. Both voices need to be loud and clear and free from harsh reply s.

I mostly agree with you. However, I don't know anybody who feels the developers are perfect. I have never heard anyone say that. I think the issue is with people who see them as horrible, greedy, stupid, etc. I think those of us who are big supporters - myself included - disagree with some things they do. Small criticism are ok, condemnation is not really called for regarding people who provide such a beautiful community for us all to enjoy.

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Thank God they created such a fabulous place to live. At least they earned every penny and then some.

It seems to me that the level of problems here in The Villages is relatively minor. Compare our lifestyle with those in New York City with its high taxes and traffic, or Seattle or San Francisco with their out of control homelessness and high cost of living, or the Texas border towns who have had 250K of new uninvited citizens added to their communities this year already, and the Morse family's push for growth seems minor so far. Even with the push south, TV is still a great place to live.

Sure is!

Thanks for your comments. I owned small business for over thirty years so I can appreciate what the developers have done and continue to do here. After one "lifestyle weekend" I was sold on this place, bought a house and moved here two years ago. The Villages is expertly planned, beautifully landscaped, and meticulously maintained. I don't play golf but thoroughly enjoy the restaurants, music, and car scenes here.

I read the local forums and it seems that some people just try to THINK up stuff to complain about. Sure, there's room for improvement in some areas, but one would be hard pressed to find a better retirement community with a range of home prices and enforcement of covenants and rules. This, along with gated neighborhoods and security patrols, keeps crime low and property values high. Having always had large lots with either woods, water, or golf courses in my back yard, I was concerned about the close proximity of the houses here but this is the quietest, safest place I've ever lived. Developers, please keep up the good work!

Where are the Negative / Dislikers ????................The thread has been up for a week and the Debbie-Downers still have not told their side of the story. I know you are out there.





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