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Schaumburger 07-20-2019 10:23 PM

Return to the Moon by 2024
 
As today marks the 50th anniversary of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's being the first men to walk on the moon, it has been reported that the goal of NASA's Artemis program is to return a crew to the moon by 2024, putting astronauts near the lunar south pole.

At least one of the crew members will be a woman, NASA officials have said . . . that certainly works for me! :coolsmiley:

And if any Villagers are looking a great day trip or two day trip, I would recommend visiting the Kennedy Space Center and the U.S Astronaut Hall of Fame . . . especially if you have grandchildren visiting.

graciegirl 07-21-2019 06:45 AM

Return to the moon
 
Would be interesting.

Nice.

Fascinating, and would hold the interest of the world for a brief time.

It would be expensive too. And somewhat dangerous for the highly trained people going.

It would be expensive too. REAL expensive.

Perhaps the money could be better spent?

Or not.

Perhaps we should redouble our efforts to cut back using single use plastic, or look more carefully at take out genes?

Just musing.

retiredguy123 07-21-2019 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1665882)
Would be interesting.

Nice.

Fascinating, and would hold the interest of the world for a brief time.

It would be expensive too. And somewhat dangerous for the highly trained people going.

It would be expensive too. REAL expensive.

Perhaps the money could be better spent?

Or not.

Perhaps we should redouble our efforts to cut back using single use plastic, or look more carefully at take out genes?

Just musing.

I agree. Way too expensive. Put a donation space on the IRS tax return, and let people donate money for the mission.

l2ridehd 07-21-2019 06:56 AM

Going to the moon is VERY EXPENSIVE.

However also look at all the technology break throughs, the medical advances and the many other major changes brought about by our last trip there. You would not have the the current laptop technology or the advances in food preservation or the things like cyclotron radiation (which has saved thousands of children with brain cancer) or so many other advances in science that are common today. We probably gained 25 years of technology improvements by the last effort. And I am sure we would make many more by doing it again.

So personally I believe the expense is well worth it.

Taltarzac725 07-21-2019 07:30 AM

They should start some kind of space tourist business and charge a great deal. I mean NASA.

A lot of very rich people would probably pay 50 million or more for that special holiday in space.

dewilson58 07-21-2019 07:33 AM

I have not found the true return on investment with the trips to the moon. The first set of trips were politically driven.....beat the Russians.


There is a post mentioning possible benefits of the moon shots, but even if some of these break-thru's were related.........there is even a higher probability the break-thru's would have happened without the shots.


It was very cool back in the 60's, but I wondering






Jus don't kno.

retiredguy123 07-21-2019 07:34 AM

If going to the moon was a "giant leap for mankind" how come the United States, which represents only about 4 percent of mankind, had to pay for everything? And, when people talk about changes and spending money to protect the planet, how does the other 96 percent of the world population fit into the plan?

retiredguy123 07-21-2019 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1665899)
They should start some kind of space tourist business and charge a great deal. I mean NASA.

A lot of very rich people would probably pay 50 million or more for that special holiday in space.

Even at NASA's current annual budget of $20 billion, which is not enough to even send astronauts into space, if would take 400 trips a year at $50 million each, just to break even.

anothersteve 07-21-2019 08:40 AM

"To infinity....and beyond"!
Steve

Polar Bear 07-21-2019 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1665920)
"To infinity....and beyond"!...

That’s what I’m talkin’ ‘bout! :)

manaboutown 07-21-2019 09:17 AM

We need to get to Mars and further. I hope the future of mankind eventually extends to settlements on other planets in other star systems. I know that is a long way off but find it nice to dream.

dewilson58 07-21-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1665942)
We need to get to Mars and further. I hope the future of mankind eventually extends to settlements on other planets in other star systems. I know that is a long way off but find it nice to dream.






My extended settlement will be heaven.



:pray:

New Englander 07-21-2019 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1665886)
Going to the moon is VERY EXPENSIVE.

However also look at all the technology break throughs, the medical advances and the many other major changes brought about by our last trip there. You would not have the the current laptop technology or the advances in food preservation or the things like cyclotron radiation (which has saved thousands of children with brain cancer) or so many other advances in science that are common today. We probably gained 25 years of technology improvements by the last effort. And I am sure we would make many more by doing it again.

So personally I believe the expense is well worth it.

:agree:

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Number 10 GI 07-21-2019 09:36 PM

Over the years I've heard the same story about how the space program has brought about so many advances. Seems like all those sources that I can remember making those claims were either people in NASA or a politician whose district benefited from the space program. We already have so much national debt we don't need to be spending money we don't have.

JoMar 07-21-2019 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1666227)
Over the years I've heard the same story about how the space program has brought about so many advances. Seems like all those sources that I can remember making those claims were either people in NASA or a politician whose district benefited from the space program. We already have so much national debt we don't need to be spending money we don't have.

Now that's funny. NASA's budget is .049% of the 4.4 trillion gdp for 2019. Ignorance is no excuse for data but sometimes we try to make cases based on it. Weather forecasting, GPS, bio-medical research are all benefits that we enjoy and use. Commercial corporations (the ones that hire people and sell us stuff) have been created for the industry. Opportunities for computer science and engineering students (our kids and grandkids) grow every day as new challenges are discovered. If you want to go after the spending of money we don't have, go after the other 99.51%

Polar Bear 07-22-2019 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1666227)
Over the years I've heard the same story about how the space program has brought about so many advances. Seems like all those sources that I can remember making those claims were either people in NASA or a politician whose district benefited from the space program...

You can’t be serious.

retiredguy123 07-22-2019 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1666229)
Now that's funny. NASA's budget is .049% of the 4.4 trillion gdp for 2019. Ignorance is no excuse for data but sometimes we try to make cases based on it. Weather forecasting, GPS, bio-medical research are all benefits that we enjoy and use. Commercial corporations (the ones that hire people and sell us stuff) have been created for the industry. Opportunities for computer science and engineering students (our kids and grandkids) grow every day as new challenges are discovered. If you want to go after the spending of money we don't have, go after the other 99.51%

Just to be accurate, I think your budget number for NASA is about 10 times too low. The budget is around $20 billion, which is about 0.49 percent of total spending of $4.4 trillion. And, the GPD is over $20 trillion, which is about equal to the total national debt.. Our country's debt to GDP ratio is one of the highest in the world, but we are doing better than Greece. My point about sending a man to the moon is that, it is touted as a great benefit for the world, so why don't we expect the rest of the world to share in the cost?

blueash 07-22-2019 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1666252)
My point about sending a man to the moon is that, it is touted as a great benefit for the world, so why don't we expect the rest of the world to share in the cost?

Maybe part of the role of leadership is bearing the burden. Either you believe in America as the superpower of this planet or you abrogate that position. No one from outside countries paid the USSR for their very successful and ongoing manned space program. Today India launched a satellite to the southern pole of the moon, on their own dime. The European Union, the Chinese, the Japanese all have self financed space programs. I don't recall any of them asking for the rest of the world to pay for their efforts.

From those to whom much is given, much is expected. This is as old as the Bible. It informed the enlightenment as noblesse oblige. And my understanding of the general thrust of American history is that we believe we are a uniquely blessed nation. But some might think we better make sure Burkina Faso is paying its percentage.

JoMar 07-22-2019 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1666252)
Just to be accurate, I think your budget number for NASA is about 10 times too low. The budget is around $20 billion, which is about 0.49 percent of total spending of $4.4 trillion. And, the GPD is over $20 trillion, which is about equal to the total national debt.. Our country's debt to GDP ratio is one of the highest in the world, but we are doing better than Greece. My point about sending a man to the moon is that, it is touted as a great benefit for the world, so why don't we expect the rest of the world to share in the cost?

You're correct..not sure how the 0 got in there. We can expect the rest of the world to chip in but they won't.....only recently did they start stepping up to the UN costs but nowhere near where they should be. China and Russia will continue to do their own things and we will continue to share and offer our learnings with everyone else. I have hope that helps some of the Countries that need the help.

Schaumburger 07-24-2019 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1665942)
We need to get to Mars and further. I hope the future of mankind eventually extends to settlements on other planets in other star systems. I know that is a long way off but find it nice to dream.

I think we could get to Mars in my lifetime...say within 20 years. You must be extremely courageous to be an astronaut...just visit the Space Mirror Memorial at the Kennedy Space Center. This memorial contains the names of 24 astronauts who died in service to their country. Michael Collins, the command module pilot for Apollo 11, reportedly thought the chances of a successful return to Earth were 50 - 50.

graciegirl 07-24-2019 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1666273)
Maybe part of the role of leadership is bearing the burden. Either you believe in America as the superpower of this planet or you abrogate that position. No one from outside countries paid the USSR for their very successful and ongoing manned space program. Today India launched a satellite to the southern pole of the moon, on their own dime. The European Union, the Chinese, the Japanese all have self financed space programs. I don't recall any of them asking for the rest of the world to pay for their efforts.

From those to whom much is given, much is expected. This is as old as the Bible. It informed the enlightenment as noblesse oblige. And my understanding of the general thrust of American history is that we believe we are a uniquely blessed nation. But some might think we better make sure Burkina Faso is paying its percentage.

Looking up abrogate and Burkina Faso.

JoelJohnson 07-24-2019 07:17 AM

Too much money for too little return. How would we fell if (or more likely when) they all die?

blueash 07-24-2019 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 1666956)
Too much money for too little return. How would we fell if (or more likely when) they all die?

You could say that about every single US Military incursion after WW 2. Don't see anyone clamoring to shut down the Army, Navy, AF, Marines, and Coast Guard. Again, we are the world's superpower. With that role comes responsibility. Dad pays for dinner even if the kids are grown up and have their own income.

Taltarzac725 07-24-2019 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schaumburger (Post 1666913)
I think we could get to Mars in my lifetime...say within 20 years. You must be extremely courageous to be an astronaut...just visit the Space Mirror Memorial at the Kennedy Space Center. This memorial contains the names of 24 astronauts who died in service to their country. Michael Collins, the command module pilot for Apollo 11, reportedly thought the chances of a successful return to Earth were 50 - 50.

That would be cool but it seems we have not work out the bugs yet for long term space travel with people involved.

The Human Body in Space | NASA

retiredguy123 07-24-2019 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1666960)
You could say that about every single US Military incursion after WW 2. Don't see anyone clamoring to shut down the Army, Navy, AF, Marines, and Coast Guard. Again, we are the world's superpower. With that role comes responsibility. Dad pays for dinner even if the kids are grown up and have their own income.

Apples and oranges. We need the military to protect us from a possible attack. Spending billions on space travel doesn't protect us against anything.

Mickedamouse24 07-24-2019 01:25 PM

:shocked: WHY????

Topspinmo 07-24-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickedamouse24 (Post 1667083)
:shocked: WHY????


To study the alien space station on the other side of the moon. LOL


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