Where will the resources come from to staff all the new businesses in TV?
 

At it's current level it is very difficult for retail/commercial/restaurants/service companies to get sufficient people to staff the businesses that serve the needs of residents of TV. Now add all the future businesses as TV continues it's expansion South.

There is not sufficient affordable housing. There is a limit to how far folks are willing to drive to get here to work.

One of the negative side effects is compromised selectivity when looking for the best of the best.
Another is that businesses ability to replace currently unacceptable performing employees.

More and more job opportunities to come....insufficient work force to fill the current jobs.

How to attract and maintain "good" help!?!

Couldn't agree more. Look at the rents on apartments in the area then look at what the workers get paid. It's only going to get worse and only so many older people want to get back in the job market! Affordable housing is definitely needed but who's going to build it.

Florida salaries have always been 40 yrs being what is paid in other areas of the country, an example a waiter @ a local restaurant was an EMT in OCALA, he left an $11.00 hr job to become a waiter here, people, we are surrounded by a lot of have-nots--its a shame- but we can not compare our six figure retirement incomes to locals who are still working

I don't think many or most Villages have six figure incomes. I think that the market will drive the changes and attract people to live here and find homes in their price range just as it has done in the past couple of decades. The biggest problem with jobs here and in all of Florida is the higher need only part of the year that is high season and reduced need the rest of the time..

I think the work force in the future may well be all of the new people who have recently moved to the U.S.

I'm pretty sure that Sumter county has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state. If that is true why aren't all of the unemployed individuals accepting all of the newly created jobs?

There is not sufficient affordable housing. There is a limit to how far folks are willing to drive to get here to work.

More and more job opportunities to come....insufficient work force to fill the current jobs.
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Workforce housing will be built behind Lowes on 466A and on the Beaumont property next to Lowes. A good start, but more is needed.

There is a labor shortage in every industry, nationwide. The only answer is immigration. We need to develop a LEGAL way to bring in the people who want to work. Where else will we find the landscapers, the CNAs, the housekeepers, the waiters, and those who will take care of us, and also pay taxes into the system.

Who historically stepped in to fill jobs in an expanding economic sector? Immigrants and transferees.

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So the current unemployed US people will stay unemployed? That’s the other Half of that picture.

I'm willing to bet all the NYC retiree's ,here have six figure incomes-be it pensions alone, NJ school teacher's here have six figure pensions, California public employee's here definitely have six figure pensions + what they sold their houses for-- there are two worlds in the US=-- big cities on the east & west coast and the rest of us.

Pretty much. With an unemployment rate around 3.6% anyone that wants a job has a job..

Economics. If you're getting health care subsidies for yourself and your family, and you get a job paying only $7.60 an hour, you just incomed yourself out of health care and the buy-in costs more than the $7.60/hour you get paid.

Similarly, some jobs need you to work a minimum number of hours per week to justify the training and whatever benefits they offer (even if it's just a few sick days and holiday pay). If you're receiving Social Security, you are penalized if you go over a certain income, and that threshold is pretty low.

If you were earning $40/hour doing professional work and were forced out of your job due to company restructuring, would YOU be willing to accept a job paying $7.60/hour for 15 hours a week bagging groceries? Your unemployment checks would be higher than that.

Florida is known to have absolutely no respect for the minimum wage worker. They don't even require workers to get breaks, and federal law leaves it up to the states to decide about break times. Most jobs needing to be filled are minimum wage jobs.

On the other hand, there are people (like myself) who aren't eligible for social security yet, who would LOVE to work part time, but don't want to screw myself over with regards to health insurance. I can't afford the buy-in, with zero income. I also can't afford to be sick. So I have to rely on the ACA marketplace and subsidies. That means I can, absolutely positively work. But I have to be careful how many hours I work, and how much I get paid per hour, or it will cost me dearly for the privilege.

If companies paid for insurance, or heavily subsidized part-time employees for their comprehensive plans, it'd be different. But most don't do that.

Big difference between a job and a living wage, my wife's nephew is a union carpenter in NYC, he makes 20K month with OT

The unemployment rate in Sumter and Citrus counties is over 5% plenty of people out there and plenty of jobs. I think you know the answer.

Hardee's starts at $10.00/hour, Target at $12.00/hour, I doubt there are any employers other than ma and pop shops that are still paying minimum wage in TV. There is nothing wrong with a healthy individual working two jobs to get ahead, 60 hours a week is not going to hurt and it's a heck of a lot better than sitting around the house doing nothing.

Union carpenters who are continuously employed will do great, pretty much anywhere. Even if the pay is lower in a different area, it'll still be significantly higher compared to the cost of living in the lower-paying area.

Hubby's situation was similar. Not quite as good, on a much smaller scale, but the same type of thing. Union skilled tradesman at a journeyman level. All gone, 2 years too early for Social Security, 4 years before Medicare.

Stress level is through the roof until we sell our house up north. Once we get our mortgage and home equity line of credit brought to 0, we'll be fine. Between now and then, it's a daily dose of Xanax to prevent anxiety attacks.

Yes, in Hawaii the typical person I met works at 3 jobs to make ends meet, the young people are leaving the island or they end up working homeless. They say charity begins at home.

I guess maybe some but certainly not most. I know quite a few who came from non teacher and professional jobs who are definitely not in the 6 figure jobs myself included. I would guess those that still have their old homes plus there Florida home might fall into that category. That was one of the main reasons for leaving Long Island and the expenses that went along with living there.

I have to disagree with that. Maybe some but certainly not all. Maybe those who can still afford there 2nd home or had one of those super high end jobs. I know quite a few who are not in the six figure retirement category myself included. That was one of the main reasons for leaving Long Island as we have a much better lifestyle here and our money goes a lot further.

3 jobs: for example, lovely blue eyed blond 35 year old from California, modeled for me and the art academy in Honolulu, works as a nursing home aide, house sits or walks dogs when she can, and she drives for Uber when she can. She is talented and beautiful and has no private life at all too busy eating and sleeping when not working.

People are going to say, that’s not here in TV. But it sounds like it is to me.

I'm not lovely, or blue-eyed. I'm 58, not a model, not trained in nursing or able to lift someone if they fell. I couldn't successfully walk my own dog when I had one, let alone someone else's. After over 40 years of working mostly retail, my hip and spine are starting to fail me so I can't do that full time anymore.

So tell me where I can find a job that will pay the bills, and NOT knock me out of health care subsidies (or provide me with comprehensive health insurance so I don't have to pay for it).

Working 60 hours a week at 2+ jobs (to whoever said that) is not an option for MOST people who live in the Villages and are looking to work.

That is WHY the unemployment rate is so high here. Because the people who are actually willing to do the work, can't work more than x hours per week at entry-level jobs, without risking their Social Security payments, or health insurance, or their actual health.

The majority of people living in Sumter county are seniors, either wealthy enough to not have to work, or on fixed incomes who can't afford to be shut out of Social Security or health care by earning too much.

What I see here in stores, restaurants, and offices are fellow retirees. Sure, they are not getting their previous wages. They like to be involved and like or need a little extra cash.

BTW: once I get settled into permanent residency at The Villages I will be looking for part time work - probably at places like Target, which have policies for break periods so employees can sit down every few hours, and they pay better than minimum wage, which will cover the costs of reduced subsidies for health care.

Jaz, wish you luck selling your house. Coming from New England myself, you need to get your house on the market in April or early May. It's certainly a nerve racking experience.

Some of the health care workers I have talked to here in the Villages live in Ocala, or near Orlando, or in Leesburg, etc. That trend may continue of workers driving from other communities and working at hospitals or other health care services.

Bottom line for the new businesses coming, if they want to recruit the best employees they will need to pay wages better than the competition and/or better benefits. Smart business leaders will ultimately prevail. Those that continue to treat employees like slaves will lose.

They will have to pay a little more and/or rely more on automation. Look at what is happening in some family restaurants, ordering at a screen on your table, afterhours, using Roomba type devices to mop up. Japan is devoting 1/3 of its government spending to developing robots to assist in care of the elderly.

For somethings, you need the human touch. The Roomba needs a person to clean it, or help it when it gets stuck. Personally, I won’t paint a life drawing model who is a robot. And the list goes on....

I can just visualize arguing about free pour with a robot or screen.... talking with robots at TOTV....

I’d rather pay a living wage, whether to an immigrant (like I was) or to a citizen. I especially like hiring vets if they are available, who were willing to sacrifice for this wonderful country.

This post is about the lack of workers not about elderly people that can't work. When I stated that there is nothing wrong with working 60 hours a week I noted that if you are healthy referring to all of those able bodies sitting at home doing nothing. The unemployment rate does not include retired individuals, you have your numbers and thinking all mixed up. If an able bodied individual works 60 hours per week at somewhere between $10 and $12 per hour he would make over $35,000 per year and if he is married and his wife did the same that's $70,000 per year. That is a pretty good living for this area of the country and there are plenty of able bodied individuals out there that are either too lazy or can't pass a drug test. If your health and mobility is limited you should apply for disability and supplement that with a sit down job such as a ticket taker at the movie theaters, there is always a way.

Agree, IF there is a will, a way can usually be figured out.

You assume that everyone who is healthy is qualified to work one of the available jobs, AND that their expenses don't exceed that $12/hour job payment, (such as student loans for a degree) AND that health insurance is available for them at a reasonable cost without subsidies (since that income would disqualify them for ANY subsidies at all). You also assume that every one of these married couples has no children, or is in a $12/hour job that provides them with child-care for every hour they are out of work, or they maybe live with grandma who watches the kids til they get home, or are in school full time already and can get in and out of the house without their parents. You ALSO assume that working a $12/hour job is so simple that anyone who isn't a drug addict or lazy can do it.

In other words, you assume everyone fits your idea of "should work 60 hours and be married to someone who also works 60 hours, OR be lazy or a drug addict."

That's some entitled privileged horsepucky, to me.

I always thought that where there is a will, there is usually a family to fight over it! :icon_wink:

I understand you very well however you don't understand me. enough said. I'm 73 and going to work now.

Forget the hourly wage--multiply it by 2000 for an annual wage $15.00 an hr = $30 K annually--its not a living wage anywhere, unless you can make more than that for your employer- on some of my projects I had 200 union electricians, the nut was close to $1million/ every month--if I didn't get paid-my employees did--or I would be sleeping with the fishes--hope this may explain some of my attitude here-you have no idea what its like to have millions of $$ in limbo

For us retired in TV now, the rat race is OVER.

The way things are here. How people look at things. How most people do not care how much or how little other people have or don't have.

The price of things. What people get paid for labor, how much things cost generally is probably overall far less than the bills you are paying where you now live. I think you should wait and see before you try to restructure things here.

And maybe wait too to see just how well things do work here. We can also choose who are our friends, what clubs we enjoy, and what makes us happy.

I really do not think that what VintageOguage said was anywhere near "entitled horse plucky". I have read almost every post since he arrived. We have not agreed on all things. I think maybe his view of dogs is different than mine, but he seems to be a good, thinking, hardworking, law abiding fellow who it is easy to get along with.

You are sooooo right Gracie and sweet too, it's a Hudson thing.

I'm willing to bet...that you are incorrect.

Do you have any proof that teachers from anywhere, or public employees (except MAYBE a few who had obscene amounts of OT count toward their pensions)...are collecting 6 figure pensions?

Will be waiting patiently for that proof. :popcorn:

The topic was "where will the resources come from?" Where will the people who need to fill the jobs for all these new stores come from?

Some folks here seem to think that these stores can easily get plenty of employees, except the potential employees are too lazy or on drugs to work for lower income levels.

I say that isn't necessarily true, and that this assumption displays an attitude of entitlement and privilege.

So far I haven't seen any posts in this thread to convince me otherwise.

Try to find another way to calm yourself. Xanax is considered highly addictive.

I'm prescribed 1/4mg 3x per day. Each 1/4mg is a single pill. So I can take up to 3 pills per day, as needed.

I take half of one pill, once a day, during especially stressful times. When my grandmother died, I was taking 2 halves per day, for a couple of weeks.

When I lost one of my jobs, I took half of one pill per day, for three weeks.

When my husband lost his job, I took half of one pill per day for three days.

This is not a problem. No need to worry, I've been on the stress rollercoaster before and my licensed physician monitors my use.

In the past 5 years, I have had 9 refills - of 40 pills each.

Thanks for your concern though. EDITED TO ADD: I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. THANK YOU FOR THE CONCERN. But this has zilch zero nada to do with the topic.