So why do people have such an issue...
 

with turning in folks with deed restriction violations.

Seems to me folks moved here in large part because of those deed restrictions. And since most are not enforced unless they are reported I'd think those who make it their duty to help enforce restrictions would be thanked.

Perhaps those who complain of those who help enforce the restrictions are those who break the simple to understand even by a 7 year old rules are upset.

Perhaps those who don't appreciate the folks who don't want our neighborhoods looking like a trailer park filled with degenerates are part of the problem.

Perhaps they just don't like people doing what is right and proper.

My take? Those who complain and continually post about those who keep the villages looking nice are usually in violation of more than one deed restriction.

Keep up the good work in reporting violations!!! If you don't like them you can always move to San Fran or L.A. or Seattle. You'd like it there. No restrictions at all. Watch where you step.

The restrictions are simple and easy to follow. All of them have a purpose. If you don't see the purpose perhaps it's because of the narrow view you take.

I can only tell you how it affects me and that it reminds me of Nazi Germany and how neighbors turned in neighbors. I don’t mind the restrictions but I don’t like the snitching.

If you don't live in the neighborhood and the people who actually live there have no problem with what their neighbor has in their yard, why is it any of your business?

Over 55,over 65,over 75 a back stabbing rat is a rat just the same. You notice these rats don't have to identify themselves, that's where their nerve
comes from.

N/M wrong thread! :)

I am having hard time figuring out how most of the rules I read in my neighborhood being violated will suddenly lead to my neighborhood becoming trailer park trash.

My home is in violation at this very moment and I have only been here 3 days! OMG! The Internet service provider had to run a bright orange cable from the junction box out front along my neighbors yard, around the back of my house and back up to the front side where it goes into my house. They had to do this because the junction box is on the wrong side of my drive way, and it's a RULE that they can not put it under my drive way without permission. So, my neighbor was fine with them putting this ugly cable on the ground for 2 or 3 days while they get permission to put it under my driveway.

I guess I have now personally made all the houses in the villages loose at a least 10% of their market value by letting the company install this monstrosity.

It appears to me that by making it a complaint driven system the rules are designed/intended to be interpreted by the neighbors as far as how strict or not they want their neighborhood to be. And I agree with the post above, if you don't live in my neighborhood, how is my having a pottery frog (or a long orange wire) in my front yard affecting your quality of life or the resale value of your property?

I guess it is just the same as the grammar NAZIs online. Those people that feel compelled to ignore the meaning of a post and focus on the missing comma... I mean, BUT BUT BUT ITS THE RULE!

I agree
 

I agree. If you’re not in the neighborhood, you should mind your own businesses.
I understand having complaints handled anonymously but I believe the complaint should have to come from your neighbor s not from someone just passing thru your neighborhood

Your opinion is not the majority opinion. Most of us have lived with deed restrictions for many years before we came here.

This isn't a penitentiary where people rat out others. This is far from being a Nazi situation. People like their property, their street, their Village and their town to be nicely kept. Thank goodness we can report infringements and they will be stopped.

FILLED WITH DEGENERATE’S. I guess you don’t read the online news. Let’s see we got underaged kids living in the villages, 20 to 54 year olds drug addicts, methheads, drunks, living with parents and we’re worried about lawn ornaments when each district has different rules.

Convicted sex offenders, felonious care givers, drug dealers, ex-cons, chop shops, and adult children losers of every stripe living with parents get a free pass... but if someone places a small lawn ornament in their front yard which neighbors live with in peace and enjoy for years but an out of the neighborhood troll looking to cause trouble spots...look out!

There is a beauty about TV the way it is. It is pleasant to drive along its well manicured streets. In most cities you have to pay a large premium to live in a similar district.

I agree with lawn ornament restrictions because what is beautiful to one person, can be offensive to another. If you want to express individual taste, this is the wrong place. It’s like a private school either you follow the rules or you’re out. No one is forcing anyone to be here.

And please don’t compare TV to Nazi anything. My parents lived under those folks, and until you see lamp shades made of human skin, we are not there.

Agree 100%. Rat and snitch are terms more commonly used by criminals. Taking revenge on rats or snitches is how the mafia kept regular citizens quiet. Either change the rules or follow them, but for sure, don’t blame others for your shortcomings.

A common psychological defense mechanism....projection of blame or blame-shifting, may be one scenario that operates.

So, it is the "snitch's" fault (they are thus to blame), when I get caught violating the rules. This belief allows me to avoid taking responsibility for my own actions.

It also allows the violator to shift the focus from their action (i.e.cross in yard) to the nasty person who has no life and turns violators in.:)

I do not like the little white crosses.....at all! Having said that, I have never turned in any homeowner who has a white cross proudly displayed on their property. I just hope someone else does the complaining and turning in. :)

That's like saying "if you're not a store employee...you shouldn't be allowed to report theft/shop-lifting."

That's just plain silly.:oops:

I honestly don't mind one lawn ornament on a property. Some of them are quite nice and add a bit of whimsy to a property. It is when the homeowner takes it to the next level and adds a frog, then a deer, then a fish, then a bird then a mushroom, etc., etc. You see where I"m going with this. Some folks don't know when to stop and it gives the community a cluttered low class feel. That is not what hubby and I bought in to when we purchased here in The Villages.

We fell in love with the manicured pristine appearance of this community. That appearance is what maintains our property value. From what I have learned, neighborhoods north of 466 are allowed to display lawn ornaments. IMHO, those neighborhoods do not look as nice as those that do not allow the "self expression". Having said that, there is a place for everyone. If you prefer the look of all that "self expression", by all means, live in a neighborhood that allows that. If you prefer the more manicured and pristine (sterile if you will) appearance, by all means live in a neighborhood that does not allow it.

So agree!! This "conversation" reminds me of when we were school kids...people trying to get away with something and then when caught..."it wasn't MY fault, gee why do you keep picking on me?!" We all knew when we moved here and signed on the dotted line that there were "some" rules to follow. I think some people have too much time on their hands and LOVE to complain and find fault in others.

Where can I go to learn this?

I agree with the OP. The deed restrictions should be followed and enforced. I don't care who enforces them. If you don't like a deed restriction, then try to have it changed or move.

It depends. If the person is simply having a bad day and looking for someone to take it out on. If someone has a grudge and wants to make someone suffer, if someone wants to feel empowered, etc, etc, etc...

Proponents are suggesting that the reasons for reporting are always altruistic and that is not true. I haven't been here long, but I have driven through a lot of TV. There are some violations, but almost all at inconsequential.

I have lived with HOAs in the past and in almost all cases they are run by little people that want to appear powerful.

The approach of complain based reporting here is a big improvement over the "normal" HOA, but it still isn't perfect.

My point still is, that the point of the covenants is to protect property value and appearance in general, not to nitpick over trivial infractions.

And lets face it, "grumpy old people" can be a PIA - and this place is full of us.

Where did you LEARN this information? I live north of 466 and our deed restrictions say no lawn ornaments and our villages look very attractie. I have heard this before, unfortunately people hear these rumors and they become fact. You may be talking about the Historic side of TV which is across 441.

What is pertinent is the violation itself, not the reporters motivation. If one focuses on the reasons for reporting, they are blame shifting and moving the issue away from the violation to the existing process of reporting.

The "issue" is the violation. The focus (if any) needs to be why are owners violating, not why are people reporting.

And what is inconsequential to you, may not be to another person.

[QUOTE=Martian;1679518]It depends.

Proponents are suggesting that the reasons for reporting are always altruistic and that is not true. I haven't been here long, but I have driven through a lot of TV. There are some violations, but almost all at inconsequential.

If something is reported and it is not a violation then it will not be penalized.

There are all kinds of "loopholes". Things can be placed under the eaves of the home, against the house. I think that I am most troubled about those who make the crosses the crux of the matter. I don't believe people are against this much loved religious symbol at all. It just is that this as well as the lovely plywood "bend over ladies" are not allowed.

Don't make this a bigger issue than it is. This is not from the "HOA". This is a restriction on the deed of the home. It is wise for all new folks to take the class on just how a CDD functions and what powers that form of governance has. Perhaps this should be done before you buy here.

I love the way this place is run. Beats the heck out of Orlando and Tampa and Miami and etc. etc. etc.

I would say "most" homes older than 4-5 years old are in violation of some sort of deed restriction, failure to get an architectural permit, etc.

If there was a picture (satellite image) of a home and compared to its picture today, there would be some change (paint color, landscape deletion/addition, satellite ant., shade awning, etc., etc.)

So really it is just a matter of whether you have normal, nice neighbors or live on a dead end street(no passers by). I am not talking about a yard filled with junk just normal, everyday things a homeowner should control themselves.

I agree, my point was just that life is not black and white. Stuff happens.

I agree

Seems a bit sad that people head to neighborhoods they may never normally visit just to find and report deed violations. Of course, they may have mental issues that we don't know about.

I just knew someone would use that analogy ploy. It’s the technique of pitting neighbor against neighbor and it’s divisiveness which is being examined and not lampshades. The responsibility of these reports belongs to community watch or a designated team so the guidelines are applied equitably.

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I have learned this on this forum and believe every single thing I read. LOL.

Seriously, Many people have posted on this forum that the rules regarding lawn ornaments north of 466 are more lenient. In fact, I believe I have read there are no rules regarding lawn ornaments. I do find that hard to believe though.

I don't live north of 466 but I drive through the neighborhoods to go to Spanish Springs. I can see there are many more lawn ornaments north of 466. There is one of a dog lifting his leg and that is facing one of the thru streets so it is very visible to traffic. That is how I have seen it. Not a good look for a neighborhood. But that is just me. I prefer clean, pristine and a manicured neighborhood.

Actually, the responsibility to report infractions lies with all of us. The way I read the deed restriction enforcement it leaves it slightly open to how it is enforced. You can get away with stuff... as long as no one objects.

I feel that some people seem to have a problem with rules. That is understandable, but what I can’t understand is why do they buy in an area with rules in the first place? They want to benefit from the beauty without them paying the price?

So you would call an 80yo woman who is afraid of her bully neighbor that she is a rat for want to keep her report of his violations annonymous.

But the snoops are making peoples' lives miserable! People who report violations are a menace!

/end sarcasm

Reminds me of a friend who was storing a couple of cars at his parent's house. He was angry at his dad for constantly nagging him to come get them: "He's always on my case! He won't let it go!"

Well. Remove your cars, then. Unsurprisingly to anyone familiar with these threads, he said that wasn't the point.

"It's the principle, it's the unfair enforcement, it's the anonymity, it's the nosiness, it's freedom of expression, it's outside agitators ..."

Same as I told my friend: remove your non-compliant objects and the entire issue goes away.

This is so rediculous that it belongs in a category by itself.

I stand corrected and I'm sorry for perpetuating the rumor. I honestly believed the incorrect rumors about lawn ornaments being allowed simply because I see more lawn ornaments in that area than I see south of 466.

No, I wasn't referring to the Historic side. I've only been there once in the last 10 years that I'm living here. I was referring to the neighborhoods that border Spanish Springs and are located just north of 466. That is where the statue of the dog lifting his leg is located. I'm honestly surprised no one has complained about that statue.

It has been there for a long time, makes me smile when I go past.

I would imagine lots of folks have smiled at that dog. He is still there. :)

Better a statue than a real dog....

I live Lady Lake but just outside the Villages.
Have 2 sisters that own homes there.
When I decided to make a move in 2017, I found the Villages prices very high priced for what you get High HOA fees, rules and regulations not to my liking. All the houses looked alike.
I found a lovely home in a nice neighborhood on 1/2 acre, brick and block,new roof, shingles with a pool lovely landscape, large fenced yard for my dogs and everything updated and move in ready.
At a far lower price than in the Villages while being 10 minutes away from sisters and not having to put up with the BS.