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graciegirl 09-25-2019 06:42 AM

The Tax Increase
 
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Copied from this morning's Daily Sun.

dewilson58 09-25-2019 06:51 AM




But, But, But


:super:

graciegirl 09-25-2019 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1683836)



But, But, But


:super:

How much will yours go up? It says about $350 a year increase on a 300K home.

MrGolf 09-25-2019 07:13 AM

It appears to me any way you slice it that the County tax rate has been increased by 25%. I have no doubt we will see further increases coming on a much more frequent basis.

dewilson58 09-25-2019 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1683837)
How much will yours go up? It says about $350 a year increase on a 300K home.








< 12%

Just over 1% over the last ten years.
Yes, some consider this a big bite in one year,

BUT
I have had the 1% increases in my pocket for the last 10 years.


There will always be County Tax Dollars which will not be of direct benefit to me. Just like many Federal & State tax dollars.


Whiners missed the boat.

The time to raise questions is during the budget process.


Oh wait, the sun came up this morning.


:MOJE_whot:










rustyp 09-25-2019 07:24 AM

As I stated this AM on the other tax post with 1200 plus views "After three hours of a public meeting with much outcry by Villagers the TAX INCREASE OF 25% WAS VOTED IN. Ref the online "other news" this morning." Why did we start a new thread ?

Emmakrock@yahoo.com 09-25-2019 07:39 AM

So we can begin to work on getting the commissioners out. There will be grass root work to get them replaced. We The Villages have been lied to by the Morrises and all their representatives too long. They are bringing in the dough and they see Seniors as a good target. Time to get involved. People buying in the South need rec centers not rec areas and town squares and restaurants. No more blind beliefs. The senior Morris is rolling over in his grave to see the greed. It’s time to bring all this to the attention of future buyers and others to see. If I hear one more person say we were told I’ll scream.wake up people.Its just the beginning

graciegirl 09-25-2019 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmakrock@yahoo.com (Post 1683848)
So we can begin to work on getting the commissioners out. There will be grass root work to get them replaced. We The Villages have been lied to by the Morrises and all their representatives too long. They are bringing in the dough and they see Seniors as a good target. Time to get involved. People buying in the South need rec centers not rec areas and town squares and restaurants. No more blind beliefs. The senior Morris is rolling over in his grave to see the greed. It’s time to bring all this to the attention of future buyers and others to see. If I hear one more person say we were told I’ll scream.wake up people.Its just the beginning

There is one R in Morse and no pee in Lake Sumter and the senior "Morse" is called Harold Schwartz, and I have lived here and owned here for more than thirteen years and I respectfully disagree with your thoughts and opinions...…….except, I AM a Buckeye fan. ;)

Marathon Man 09-25-2019 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmakrock@yahoo.com (Post 1683848)
So we can begin to work on getting the commissioners out. There will be grass root work to get them replaced. We The Villages have been lied to by the Morrises and all their representatives too long. They are bringing in the dough and they see Seniors as a good target. Time to get involved. People buying in the South need rec centers not rec areas and town squares and restaurants. No more blind beliefs. The senior Morris is rolling over in his grave to see the greed. It’s time to bring all this to the attention of future buyers and others to see. If I hear one more person say we were told I’ll scream.wake up people.Its just the beginning

Clearly spoken out of emotion rather than fact and evidence.

CWGUY 09-25-2019 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1683862)
So. You think the commissioners are "dirty"? Tell us why. Usually I agree with every word and every syllable of anything you post...…...

:ohdear: GG please don't misquote me! I never said "dirty". That was your word..... and why would you be thinking that? I said "Commissioners with questionable loyalty". There is a BIG difference.

While we are at it could you please answer my question? What happened? You were sure the County Property Taxes would not go up anywhere near 25%. Mine went up 28% because of the millage increase and an increase in assessed value also.

Why did you pick this thread to ask about my post in the other thread? The post were I stated my concern for the people who unlike us can not afford this increase. :confused:

Try it...... just say "I was wrong" I know you can do it. You may have to take off your rose colored glasses..... but you can do it!

Remember - it's a done deal and nobody will be talking about it in 2 days. For that matter it was a done deal when it was proposed by the "Commissioners with questionable loyalty" :1rotfl:

billethkid 09-25-2019 09:35 AM

You mean those who were elected to represent us.....didn't!?!?!?!?:shocked:

Wait a minute.........................:1rotfl:

dewilson58 09-25-2019 09:38 AM

Other reason for this new post...............a lot of snowbirds & traveling full-times don't have access to current articles.

For them, thanks for the new post.
:bigbow:

justjim 09-25-2019 09:55 AM

Friends and neighbors: You might as well “Suck it up” because it’s a done deal. If all the present Commissioners were replaced in the next election, it wouldn’t change anything IMHO.

Polar Bear 09-25-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1683894)
Other reason for this new post...............a lot of snowbirds & traveling full-times don't have access to current articles.

For them, thanks for the new post.
:bigbow:

Hey, de. Please don't take this personally (and I'm bracing for this off-topic reply to be deleted...heheh), but I really wish you'd consider doing away with your highly specialized posting format. Imho, it's annoying, especially when quoted and double-especially when using my phone. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. That enjoyment has been somewhat reduced by your format change. FWIW. :duck:

CWGUY 09-25-2019 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1683894)
Other reason for this new post...............a lot of snowbirds & traveling full-times don't have access to current articles.

For them, thanks for the new post.
:bigbow:

:ho: Thanks for your answer...... but I think they were asking the OP.:icon_wink: and wanted an answer from her.

I think if it was to show today's page 7 "Daily Sun" story on the Property Tax increase that would be a weak reason. That story could have and may have been written a week ago. There is no new info. in it. I was also very happy to see the "Geocaching Club" made the front page. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Villageswimmer 09-25-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1683901)
Hey, de. Please don't take this personally (and I'm bracing for this off-topic reply to be deleted...heheh), but I really wish you'd consider doing away with your highly specialized posting format. Imho, it's annoying, especially when quoted and double-especially when using my phone. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. That enjoyment has been somewhat reduced by your format change. FWIW. :duck:

+1. That blue script font is difficult to read.

Arubagirl33 09-25-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1683837)
How much will yours go up? It says about $350 a year increase on a 300K home.


When they’re quoting the increase it includes the $50,000 homestead exemption! Not All of us are permanent residents 🙁

pacjag 09-25-2019 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1683901)
Hey, de. Please don't take this personally (and I'm bracing for this off-topic reply to be deleted...heheh), but I really wish you'd consider doing away with your highly specialized posting format. Imho, it's annoying, especially when quoted and double-especially when using my phone. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. That enjoyment has been somewhat reduced by your format change. FWIW. :duck:

+2. No offense. It’s just annoying.

dewilson58 09-25-2019 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1683901)
Hey, de. Please don't take this personally (and I'm bracing for this off-topic reply to be deleted...heheh), but I really wish you'd consider doing away with your highly specialized posting format. Imho, it's annoying, especially when quoted and double-especially when using my phone. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. That enjoyment has been somewhat reduced by yIour format change. FWIW. :duck:




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perrjojo 09-25-2019 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1683907)
+1. That blue script font is difficult to read.

I agree. I can’t read the blue script on my iPhone.

graciegirl 09-25-2019 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1683891)
:ohdear: GG please don't misquote me! I never said "dirty". That was your word..... and why would you be thinking that? I said "Commissioners with questionable loyalty". There is a BIG difference.

While we are at it could you please answer my question? What happened? You were sure the County Property Taxes would not go up anywhere near 25%. Mine went up 28% because of the millage increase and an increase in assessed value also.

Why did you pick this thread to ask about my post in the other thread? The post were I stated my concern for the people who unlike us can not afford this increase. :confused:

Try it...... just say "I was wrong" I know you can do it. You may have to take off your rose colored glasses..... but you can do it!

Remember - it's a done deal and nobody will be talking about it in 2 days. For that matter it was a done deal when it was proposed by the "Commissioners with questionable loyalty" :1rotfl:

I was wrong. Wazza madda you?? I am not afraid to say I was wrong. I think I am partially right. Our Tax BILL did not go up anywhere near 25%.

eyc234 09-25-2019 10:56 AM

For all of the post with whatever subject title it is given, many times the facts and details are not discussed, only opinions. Fact we had not had an increase in 14 years. Fact the county is growing and that requires growth in services and infrastructure. Fact, no matter where you stand on school violence and gun control, schools have been mandated by state government to do certain things to protect children. Fact, reading the budget and the estimated tax revenue it was not enough for this year or coming years. You can hypothesize about the developer, the publicly elected commissioners, the amount of money that should be there and whether it is spent correctly but the facts above show there is not enough money. There are always a million ways to solve a problem, in this instance roads can be left to deteriorate, schools left open for more killings, no police or fire to cover the entire county are one set of answers. Not sure that those would be most citizens wants but it could be. We all have opinions and have a right to them, just remember that decisions should be made on whole truths, what is best for the majority and on facts.

eyc234 09-25-2019 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1683920)
I was wrong. Wazza madda you?? I am not afraid to say I was wrong. I think I am partially right. Our Tax BILL did not go up anywhere near 25%.


:bigbow: Neither did ours. Right at 12%. Do not like it but over the past 10 years we have been here that money went straight to savings for the future increases. You know "Plan for the worst hope for the best".

justjim 09-25-2019 11:44 AM

Just to be clear, this tax tax increase does not affect those Villagers residing in Lake or Marion County. This is only a Sumter County tax increase. I don’t have the data handy but believe this increase in Sumter County taxes just makes the rates close to the same as Marion and Lake County tax rates. Correct me if I’m wrong and if you currently have the data for the tax rates in all three counties.

rustyp 09-25-2019 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1683920)
I was wrong. Wazza madda you?? I am not afraid to say I was wrong. I think I am partially right. Our Tax BILL did not go up anywhere near 25%.

Hilarious. Vote GG for our next representative. Let's ignore my many posts trying to educate readers the 25% tax increase was not on your total tax bill but just the county property tax part. I did this every time you were posting "quote me" your taxes will not go up anywhere near 25%.The reason why ? To make sure posters understood what was really happening and perhaps should be outraged that their elected county officials would have the nerve to incorporate such an outrageous increase in one step in one of the fastest growing areas in the country.

Tornado Topliss 09-25-2019 11:53 AM

Just for clarity and as stated previously on the other thread my County tax charge went from 1269 to 1752 Dollars. This was because my Taxable Value went from 237760 to 261530 and the tax rate went from 5.3365 to 6.7000.This equates to an increase of 38% . As I am not allowed to be a full time resident since I am from the UK I accept the fact that I am not entitled to any of the tax reducing benefits enjoyed by full time residents .The 25% figure quoted does not take account of the increase in the taxable value of your home.

billethkid 09-25-2019 11:54 AM

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tophcfa 09-25-2019 12:10 PM

Why do they waste everyones time having public meetings to allow residents to voice their opinions when the conclusion is already a done deal regardless of the public opinion?

CWGUY 09-25-2019 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1683939)
Hilarious. Vote GG for our next representative. Let's ignore my many posts trying to educate readers the 25% tax increase was not on your total tax bill but just the county property tax part. I did this every time you were posting "quote me" your taxes will not go up anywhere near 25%.The reason why ? To make sure posters understood what was really happening and perhaps should be outraged that their elected county officials would have the nerve to incorporate such an outrageous increase in one step in one of the fastest growing areas in the country.

It's called interpreting the numbers to justify their opinion of the argument. They refuse to let facts get in the way.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Arubagirl33 09-25-2019 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1683837)
How much will yours go up? It says about $350 a year increase on a 300K home.

The recent articles & estimates are based on a $50,000 Homestead Exemption, too. Not All of us are permanent residences 🙁

Bogie Shooter 09-25-2019 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arubagirl33 (Post 1683967)
The recent articles & estimates are based on a $50,000 Homestead Exemption, too. Not All of us are permanent residences 🙁

That's your choice...……………………...

Aces4 09-25-2019 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1683968)
That's your choice...……………………...

If you would read the posts in this thread, you will see the tax increases are being discussed. There is a constant statement being presented that the taxes will not increase 25%. Arubagirl pointed out that many people living in here will pay that 25% increase since their taxes aren’t being subsidized. Obviously, she knows it’s her choice, l don’t think that remark was needed.

Aw Man 09-25-2019 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1683921)
For all of the post with whatever subject title it is given, many times the facts and details are not discussed, only opinions. Fact we had not had an increase in 14 years. Fact the county is growing and that requires growth in services and infrastructure. Fact, no matter where you stand on school violence and gun control, schools have been mandated by state government to do certain things to protect children. Fact, reading the budget and the estimated tax revenue it was not enough for this year or coming years. You can hypothesize about the developer, the publicly elected commissioners, the amount of money that should be there and whether it is spent correctly but the facts above show there is not enough money. There are always a million ways to solve a problem, in this instance roads can be left to deteriorate, schools left open for more killings, no police or fire to cover the entire county are one set of answers. Not sure that those would be most citizens wants but it could be. We all have opinions and have a right to them, just remember that decisions should be made on whole truths, what is best for the majority and on facts.

I agree with you and want to thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts on this issue!

Aces4 09-25-2019 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1683995)
Your lecture point is noted.

Good dialog is difficult to come by when remarks are caustic. The 25% increase affects many people and I’m sure many people will be voting with their feet, particularly the part-time residents. This may lead to a larger full time crowd who will need to pay greater taxes to cover the revenue lost from the part time resident’s real estate tax subsidies. That doesn’t even into the consideration the additional crowding if part time homes become full time homes.

Paper1 09-25-2019 08:20 PM

As I've read through these threads on the Sumter County tax increase I am a little surprised that a large number of us, Villagers that is, seem to be ok with the tax increase due to two facts; that we have not seen an increase in a number of years and more services are demanded. Two facts are also Sumter country tax base has grown phenomenally during those years with 200K to 500k houses built almost on top of each other and commercial property value exploding. I came here from Northeast and there when a tax base "shrunk" taxes went up. My point is many of us came to Florida because of favorable tax structure and we must guard against becoming the New Jersey or New York of the south. Hopefully those who spend our tax dollars in Sumter Country have shown a lot more concern and care than their counterparts in northern states and the federal government. Blind faith that people will do the right thing is seldom rewarded.

golf2140 09-25-2019 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1683921)
For all of the post with whatever subject title it is given, many times the facts and details are not discussed, only opinions. Fact we had not had an increase in 14 years. Fact the county is growing and that requires growth in services and infrastructure. Fact, no matter where you stand on school violence and gun control, schools have been mandated by state government to do certain things to protect children. Fact, reading the budget and the estimated tax revenue it was not enough for this year or coming years. You can hypothesize about the developer, the publicly elected commissioners, the amount of money that should be there and whether it is spent correctly but the facts above show there is not enough money. There are always a million ways to solve a problem, in this instance roads can be left to deteriorate, schools left open for more killings, no police or fire to cover the entire county are one set of answers. Not sure that those would be most citizens wants but it could be. We all have opinions and have a right to them, just remember that decisions should be made on whole truths, what is best for the majority and on facts.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Fredster 09-25-2019 08:45 PM

What bothers me is an obvious lack of foresight by Sumter County board members,
and the fact that this county tax increase was really a done deal from the get go!

Fredster 09-25-2019 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1684049)
As I've read through these threads on the Sumter County tax increase I am a little surprised that a large number of us, Villagers that is, seem to be ok with the tax increase due to two facts; that we have not seen an increase in a number of years and more services are demanded. Two facts are also Sumter country tax base has grown phenomenally during those years with 200K to 500k houses built almost on top of each other and commercial property value exploding. I came here from Northeast and there when a tax base "shrunk" taxes went up. My point is many of us came to Florida because of favorable tax structure and we must guard against becoming the New Jersey or New York of the south. Hopefully those who spend our tax dollars in Sumter Country have shown a lot more concern and care than their counterparts in northern states and the federal government. Blind faith that people will do the right thing is seldom rewarded.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

New Adventures 09-25-2019 08:51 PM

It's called "catch and no release". I always agreed that it was a "done deal" and the open meeting was just a "courtesy" to the homeowners. Talk about poor management! This is like spending all your down payment prior to buying a house and then being surprised when the bank asks for your deposit and you tell them you had no idea that it was part of the deal. At the end of the day, it is what it is folks. VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

rustyp 09-26-2019 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1684054)
What bothers me is an obvious lack of foresight by Sumter County board members,
and the fact that this county tax increase was really a done deal from the get go!

Was this increase foreseen when the county was doing the impact analysis of new builds ? Oh no big deal just small misprojection of millions of dollars.


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