War Between The States
 

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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1714557) Again, the topic is flag etiquette/rules in The Villages. If you want to have a non-political discussion about the Civil War, feel free to start a new thread. Moderator

It's simply amazing at the revisionism going on. :ohdear:

The "state's rights" that keep being referenced, is having the 'right'...to own other human beings. :mad:

Or does anyone really believe, that it was just a coincidence that the states trying to secede...were ALL slave-holding states?

If you do, I have this bridge... :oops:

With study and reading you will find that the majority of individuals who fought in the "War of Northern Aggression" (Civil War) for both the North and the South did not even own any slaves. So I guess they just fought for those who did. I seriously doubt they did that.

Instead of depending on short soundbites you may of heard (very likely from relatives) to obfuscate and downplay slavery, you might want to educate yourself...with a little real research. :thumbup:

I encourage you to read...this entire article. :ho:

You may even find one myth...that makes you feel better. ;)



5 Myths About Slavery (click here)

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

And those who try to suppress the memories of the past are complicit in that condemnation.

Methinks the phrase "recent unpleasantness," has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread...but is referencing something else.

I take my hint from the new signature...which is purely political.

Who knows for sure though...as I've been fooled before. :shrug:

BUT, I am no longer fooled by the depths of the general hatred/anger/prejudices of which you speak, since we watch it play out day after day...in front of our very eyes. :ohdear:

The good news being, that those who sought to destroy the effort "to form a more perfect Union" way back when, got their butts kicked...and decency prevailed. :cool:

As usual though, you've pretty much nailed...the rest of it. :thumbup:

Make room for one more

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Just as a point of history the North wasn't, didn't fight to end slavery, they were fighting to preserve the Union. So don't think at that time the the North was so high and mighty. The south wanted to secede from the Union for more reasons than the "right" to "own" slaves as property. Granted that turned out to be the primary reason in history. It was a really crappy time in America's history, and to say that hatred and bigotry is as prevalent today as it was then is pure garbage and what the far left would like you to believe. How many of you see it in your daily lives instead of what the media spews out on an almost daily basis? Personally I see more good in this world than evil, been that way my whole life......maybe I've been living in a bubble for the past 63yrs,........or just maybe I don't take the media and any talking heads to heart.

OK.....now let's see who will be the first to bring modern politics into the fray.
Steve

Excellent post Steve.

LOL :1rotfl:

YOU are the first to do it. :oops:

American Civil War | The Great Courses

There are some really good materials out there on the American Civil War.

I listened to all of these lectures.

This was available at the Lady Lake Library. Not sure if it is now. They would have many books on this subject though as well as DVDs.

Just a point, but the victor always get to write history!

OK guilty. I guess "someone" had to start.
Steve

True in some cases. Not in others. There are books and magazine articles as well as scholarly works of all kinds from the Confederate side of looking at issues. And lots of novels. There are said to be 50,000 books alone on the US Civil War.

Popular Civil War Southern Perspective Books

Very true. I wish on so many levels people would learn and relearn the history of this great country, the good, the bad, the ugly. I really feel that we are losing all, starting within the educational system, and ending with the same. Very sad!
Steve

"The Recent Unpleasantness", is an expression used in the 19th century in the southern United States as an idiom to refer to the American Civil War and its aftermath.

Because I am the one who used this idiomatic expression earlier on this thread and it was misunderstood, and my post was deleted, I felt the need to explain it. It is an expression that I read and remembered, not something I made up as light hearted. It also does not refer to any political situations that happened recently. The term "The recent Unpleasantness" was a euphemism used in literature prior to 1900 to refer to the American Civil War. Please feel free to google it.

the recent unpleasantness - Google Search

I thank God the War between the States ended as it did and pray this gifted country never faces another brother against brother "recent unpleasantness," that stole the lives of 620,000 Americans.

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Most people who do not live in the South do not know this. I will tell about my ancestors experience. They were farmers in Missouri and owned no slaves . Just like all wars it was about the government’s decision, not the decision of the people. So why did southerners fight in the war?
General Order No. 11 (1863 - Wikipedia)
My ancestors were forced from their home, livestock confiscated, homes and crops were burned. Women and children walked from Missouri to Texas to seek refuge from the war with many dying along the way. This is why they fought....To protect their livelihood and families from becoming destitute. This is why some still proudly cling to the Confederate flag; to honor those who suffered and lost everything they had. Yes, we lost the war but just as slavery was not something to be proud of, the treatment of citizens of the South was nothing to be proud of either. As they say, war is Hell and it’s effects are not easily forgotten.

I cant read what the moderator wrote. Background is too light.

Charles Schorn, who received the Congressional medal of honor for capturing the last flag at Appomattox was the buglar, and an 18 year old German immigrant who lived in Pomeroy, Ohio. He was a barber...we laughed because of his last name, Schorn.

He was my children's great great great grandfather. My husbands ancestor.

Charles Schorn (1842-1915) - Find A Grave Memorial

Pomeroy is right smack dab on the Mason Dixon line, the Ohio River. Nobody I know, North or South, and we have a passel of friends who grew up in the South, ever supported slavery. We have got to stop casting blame at people now living and making problems where there are none.

I like when somebody writes book for money and people read it. Some think just cause it's book it's got to be true (just line the on internet) when the truth be known the author in it for the money. The more controversial the more opinionated and the more money. book about the villages good example.

"Different States had different reasons for joining the 'Confederacy. They were States Rights, Lincoln's election, economic issues, slavery." Quote from Civil War historian John Coski. Actually the State where the war began (South Carolina) was more upset and concerned about States Rights than anything else. They took Ft. Sumter from the US and the rebellion began. Lincoln then called for volunteers to stop the rebellion.

This is a history thread. Don't know what Latinos and modern day hate crimes has to do with the Civil War. I suppose some may say that is where it all started but that is simply not the case.

I think that is a little over board. If you want to find those kinds of posters or people just get on twitter. I was born and raised and have lived most all my life in the South. My Father taught us to respect all races. I saw a lot of racism while serving my Country in Vietnam. In many cases it came from different races. I was there when both MLK and R. Kennedy were killed. That was a bad time and I felt for all.

Point taken, and I agree. I posted what you object to.....without context, you are 100% correct.

I was responding to a poster who referred directly to this forum. I simply objected to the hypocrisy.

Never implied anything except to respond to that post, which is also deleted.

As a student if history, I get it, but learning from history does not stop with specifics, as we see much of the same conditions now as we did them. I do see a relationship between the feelings in the Civil War era and today, a very direct relationship.

Social media simply puts everything in capital letters.

Here is a good 20 minute video on some of the "reasons" for the Civil War. It is by a high school teacher and history scholar in Buffalo NY by the name of Hip Hughes. If only he were my history teacher I might have paid attention in history class.

YouTube

Looks like he got this presentation style from Robert Wuhl who had a classroom history show on HBO about 15 years ago. It kept you interested by using pop culture references. Here's a small sample.

Assume the Position 201 Judge Slowly - YouTube

The election of Lincoln is what caused the southern states to secede. Lincoln promised (or threatened, depending on which side you were on) the end to slavery in the country. The South wanted to maintain their freedom to own slaves. The North's primary issue was with the secession. They wanted to keep the states united.

So the two "causes" of the Civil War: the south's demand to keep slavery and the North's rejection of the secession.

The two were intertwined, but there would have been no war, if the south's insistence upon keeping slaves hadn't divided the nation into "north vs. south" in the first place.

Yes, I knew that and understood your first post. I suspect others did also.

Bingo!
Thanks!
Steve

First of all, your link doesn't show/say anything...except to go to THIS link.

General Order No. 11 (1863)

You're welcome. :ho:

Secondly, your ancestors wouldn't have had to move, had they not sided with those traitors who wanted to destroy the UNITED States of America...and wanted to maintain the abhorrent practice of slavery.

That info is in my correct link.



Finally...
Trying to equate the two as even being similar (one being a choice...the other NOT)...is beyond the pale.

And as a quick reminder of THE FACTS...

CLICK HERE


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I'm sorry, I'm not trying to interfere with this thread, but whenever CNM replies with a quote, as in #33, I cannot read the quote. It comes out orange print on the tan background. Especially, when using the tiny font it is simply unreadable. Anyone else have that issue? If not I'll not mention it again.

Yes, he has chosen a "skin" that isn't very compatible to the default. But you can press your mouse to the top of his post and drag it down to highlight the whole thing, and then it's completely readable.

Also - perrjojo's ancestors lost the war BECAUSE slavery was not something to be proud of, not despite that fact.

Actually, I haven't "chosen" any skin, as I have always used the standard one that was here...when I signed up (tan/green).

I do bold and use dark orange on what I quote, but it shows up on a green background for me though.

Dark orange letters on a green background...should be pretty easy on the eyes.

I've always had issues reading quotes, from folks who use red letters...with a green background myself.

I've heard a couple of other people mention that they can't read my posts because of the font being small, so have even started making the normal responses in either font size 2 or 3 (versus the standard '1').

I believe everyone that has had problems reading them, have been using Apple products and one person said they were able to adjust their own device for this site...and the problem went away.

Maybe a mod can chime in...and suggest something? :shrug:

Here is my skin setting.

As shown, I am using "Forum Default." :shrug:

My ancestors did not side with anyone but merely wanted to farm their land and live in peace. Thank you for educating me on how much smarter you are than I.

My ancestors did not fight in the war. They were Victims of the war with no real ”skin in the game” other than where the happen to live. Unfortunately any war has many innocent victims.