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JackRussell 02-07-2020 11:19 AM

Coronavirus
 
An outbreak of a deadly and communicable virus in a community as social as The Villages could be extremely dangerous. We prepare for hurricanes. How are we to prepare for coronavirus? Why are we not hearing anything about how to protect ourselves?

CWGUY 02-07-2020 11:45 AM

:ohdear: Coronavirus | About | Prevention and Treatment | CDC

billethkid 02-07-2020 12:35 PM

Obviously a need to know....what if.
This past week one of the health organizations stated the majority of US citizens are at more risk from the flu than coronavirus.

Here are some views of precaution/prevention:

Coronavirus | About | Prevention and Treatment | CDC

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science

twoplanekid 02-11-2020 07:49 AM

A good friend and High School classmate of mine is still on board this ship. They have been told that they will not have to pay for their extended cruise and will get several additional cruises for free when and if they ever decide to cruise again.
As the ship has tried to dock in several other countries, our friends tell us when they are able to dock somewhere they will immediately head back to the US.

Thailand Refuses Entry to Cruise Ship With No Coronavirus Cases - The New York Times

karostay 02-11-2020 08:02 AM

I hear pets in shopping carts actually filter out the virus ...We should be safe here

graciegirl 02-11-2020 09:56 AM

I looked at Helene and Henry and said...you know when this mother speaks...…...prepare to be on house arrest.

Fortunately we still have water left over from Irma.

And I could feed the whole third fleet from our pantry for a couple of months.

I know I should NOT make light of this. We should all try to think how we can protect ourselves if it comes here.

Not funny at all...………..

Scary as Hell.

bagboy 02-11-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1717137)
I hear pets in shopping carts actually filter out the virus ...We should be safe here

Even safe from the bird flu? :)

Luv2Bretired 02-11-2020 02:31 PM

It is not under control. China'''s daily coronavirus death toll tops 100 for 1st time; total deaths top 1,000 | Fox News

karostay 02-11-2020 03:08 PM

Natures way of thinning the herd ...
Were grossly over populated,unkind and uncaring,
As humans were 2 legged Locust

tophcfa 02-11-2020 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1717284)
Natures way of thinning the herd ...
Were grossly over populated,unkind and uncaring,
As humans were 2 legged Locust

that is pretty dark dude, really?

jacksonbrown 02-12-2020 07:43 AM

No, I am not "chicken little", but it's something to ponder....

Anyone planning to receive goods via air freight from China might want to digest this report: Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and its inactivation with biocidal agents Endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days.

Of Two Minds - China's Fatal Dilemma

billethkid 02-12-2020 09:05 AM

Additional perspective:

Why are we panicked about coronavirus — and calm about the flu? | TheHill

manaboutown 02-17-2020 11:02 AM

Perhaps it's time to stock up on toilet paper. Coronavirus updates: Americans quarantined on cruise ship return to U.S as Chinese death toll rises

petiteone 02-17-2020 01:03 PM

No one know how the Coronavirus epidemic will affect most of us, but to put it in perspective, as of Feb 14th, 14,000 have died from the 2019-2020 Flu, 250,000 have been hospitalized and 26 million have gotten the flu. Florida appears to be one of the least affected states and the rest of US states have seen a high rate of infections. As per the CDC. If the Coronavirus were to hit during the height of the Flu Epidemic then who knows what might happen.

Kenswing 02-17-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1718858)

We were scheduled to get on that ship on April 2nd for an 18 day cruise around Japan. Of course that cruise has been cancelled.

Taltarzac725 02-27-2020 11:28 PM

How Americans can prepare for coronavirus if it spreads here - ABC News

This has some good information.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-28-2020 08:16 AM

Fun fact: anyone who was a candidate for a flu vaccine, could have had one and thus either eliminated the possibility of contracting the flu, or minimized its symptoms drastically.

Another fun fact: there is no coronavirus vaccine. There is absolutely nothing, zilch, nada that you can do to prevent contracting it. You can minimize risk. But that is all you can do.

Bucco 02-28-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1722476)
I believe the opinion piece from Vanity Fair on The Coronavirus was written by this fellow, a film critic;
K. Austin Collins - Bing

Do you have evidence that experts within the admin were not from speaking ?

Please share...would make me feel batter.

I will sincerely check to see if can invalidate these reports about the ban. It would certainly make me feel better

Bucco 02-28-2020 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1722467)
In terms of an "always wrong economic advisor" I believe you meant to cite Paul Krugman of the illustrious New York Times

The thread and subject is the coronavirus. I apologize for my editorial comment.

Can you give a reason he is on this group ?

Bucco 02-28-2020 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1722476)
I believe the opinion piece from Vanity Fair on The Coronavirus was written by this fellow, a film critic;
K. Austin Collins - Bing

This is what I am hearing, and not in a physical situation to give you links.....

Mick Mulvaney sent a government-wide email yesterday saying all coronavirus-related comms must go through Pence’s press secretary Katie Miller, according to two people familiar with the email

Hoping you can prove all this wrong

manaboutown 02-28-2020 10:58 AM

Coronavirus fatality rates vary wildly depending on age, gender and medical history — some patients fare much worse than others - MarketWatch

TexaninVA 02-28-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1722505)
This is what I am hearing, and not in a physical situation to give you links.....

Mick Mulvaney sent a government-wide email yesterday saying all coronavirus-related comms must go through Pence’s press secretary Katie Miller, according to two people familiar with the email

Hoping you can prove all this wrong

It's humorous to see some people say this is censorship or some other horrible form of whatever the latest outrage is ...

It's perfectly sensible. When you have a large percentage of the population easily susceptible to mass hysteria, and a rapidly changing threat environment, it makes sense for the person in charge to determine what's approproprate to release and what's not.

Bucco 02-28-2020 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1722593)
Yes, and just like we don't want ignorant people who seem to be "rooting for the virus to win" while yelling the sky is falling

Other than staff members of our WH and family members of them, I have not heard that.

Can you be more specific about WHO SPECIFICALLY is "rooting for the virus" to do anything.

This gets old about everyone is "out to get"

Everyone wants the virus to stay away to my knowledge. There is fear of he unknown, but I am sure you can point out SPECICALLY WHO is rooting otherwise.

Bucco 02-28-2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1722574)
It's humorous to see some people say this is censorship or some other horrible form of whatever the latest outrage is ...

It's perfectly sensible. When you have a large percentage of the population easily susceptible to mass hysteria, and a rapidly changing threat environment, it makes sense for the person in charge to determine what's approproprate to release and what's not.

Please share with us WHO SPECIFICALLY is opposed to having one voice to speak to this subject.

Most I have heard, no make that ALL I have heard feel that is a great idea.

The criticism is abouy WHO.

Please make sure we are speaking about the same subject.....Having one spokesman is good and agreed.

Who it is and banning experts is the discussion, or should be,

TexaninVA 02-28-2020 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1722602)
Please share with us WHO SPECIFICALLY is opposed to having one voice to speak to this subject.

Most I have heard, no make that ALL I have heard feel that is a great idea.

The criticism is abouy WHO.

Please make sure we are speaking about the same subject.....Having one spokesman is good and agreed.

Who it is and banning experts is the discussion, or should be,


Naming names is prohibited by the TOS but you can go back and figure it out ... not that difficult. This is somewhat akin to grasping for the vapors and even more amusing.

TexaninVA 02-28-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1722597)
Accusations of someone "rooting" for something this serious to kill people, simply to try and save face of facts on record...is purely sickening.

It's also a great insight.
:ohdear:

I agree ... insight indeed, but in a reverse sense :) as it enables most of us to analyze the alternate reality many disaffected people in our society inhabit

Bucco 02-28-2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1722611)
Naming names is prohibited by the TOS but you can go back and figure it out ... not that difficult. This is somewhat akin to grasping for the vapors and even more amusing.

I do not think supplying links that will allow for those you have accused of rooting for a virus to get worse is against the rules.

I am reading that you have no idea who said any of that ever.

__________________________________________________ _______

TO THE MODS....Understand that certain poster continue to make serious and terrible accusations on here, un credited or backed up. This is potentially a very serious problem for our country and I sure hope that serious accusations can be responded to without any action.
My time on this forum accusations such as a poster is making with no substantiation is not received well.

We all pray that we need not face this virus and we pray for those who suffer with it. I have not seen anyone making any P post except for responding to those who are using this as an opportunity.

We should all avoid the accusations and simply pray and hope for all affected and wait for more info.

I can assure you that I will only post more on this subject if UNCREDITED OR UNSUBSTANTIATED, but if they have any credence I hope the poster will supply them.

Thank you

Shimpy 02-28-2020 06:22 PM

Coronavirus
 
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Chinese were developing a new biological warfare weapon that somehow they lost control over such as a worker that was lax and let the virus out. Along with developing a new weapon they probably have a anti viral fix for this virus but won't expose it as this would be proof that they are responsible for developing this weapon.

ColdNoMore 02-28-2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 1722676)
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Chinese were developing a new biological warfare weapon that somehow they lost control over such as a worker that was lax and let the virus out. Along with developing a new weapon they probably have a anti viral fix for this virus but won't expose it as this would be proof that they are responsible for developing this weapon.


I don't know, I've heard others postulating the same thing...but it sounds more like a conspiracy theory to me.

While the 2-3% fatality rate for the coronavirus is very high compared to the flu, it seems really low and ineffective...to use it as some kind of bio-weapon.
:shrug:

manaboutown 02-28-2020 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 1722676)
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Chinese were developing a new biological warfare weapon that somehow they lost control over such as a worker that was lax and let the virus out. Along with developing a new weapon they probably have a anti viral fix for this virus but won't expose it as this would be proof that they are responsible for developing this weapon.

The Chi-Coms operate two biological weapons labs in the area where it broke out. They allege meat from a local illegal wild game market was the source. They even eat bats along with cats and dogs over there. Anyway, in the past lab workers have been caught by the government stealing and selling, to the tune of over $1.5M US, lab animals and even meat from animals which had been given disease from manufactured viruses. Expert: Chinese Scientists Sell Lab Animals as Meat on the Black Market

Report Suggests That Details Point To Coronavirus Coming From Chinese Lab | The Daily Wire

Mystery surrounds ouster of Chinese researchers from Canadian laboratory | Science | AAAS

I don't trust the official line on what goes on in China.

Potentially good news! New England Journal of Medicine: Coronavirus Could Be No Worse than Flu

TexaninVA 02-28-2020 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 1722676)
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Chinese were developing a new biological warfare weapon that somehow they lost control over such as a worker that was lax and let the virus out. Along with developing a new weapon they probably have a anti viral fix for this virus but won't expose it as this would be proof that they are responsible for developing this weapon.

I think there's merit to this view and it's too facile to dismiss it as a "conspiracy" theroy etc. About two weeks ago I saw a spectral analysis of the virus that indicates human-engineering was likely involved. I don't think the Chinese deliberately unleashed it but was more likely a procedural failure. They certainly have bio-weapons under development. The US, by treaty, is prohibited from doing that.

Bucco 02-28-2020 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1722680)
The Chi-Coms operate two biological weapons labs in the area where it broke out. They allege meat from a local illegal wild game market was the source. They even eat bats along with cats and dogs over there. Anyway, in the past lab workers have been caught by the government stealing and selling, to the tune of over $1.5M US, lab animals and even meat from animals which had been given disease from manufactured viruses. Expert: Chinese Scientists Sell Lab Animals as Meat on the Black Market

Report Suggests That Details Point To Coronavirus Coming From Chinese Lab | The Daily Wire

Mystery surrounds ouster of Chinese researchers from Canadian laboratory | Science | AAAS

I don't trust the official line on what goes on in China.

I respectfully do not buy this, and if true, I am terrified.

First, we are constantly told how great a guy Xi is and how great our relationship is with him and his country.

Secondly, despite our weakened and lack of leadership intelligence agency, I would hope (pray) we would be aware of something amiss.

If so, our government is complicit, if only by ignorance.

The Guardian presented a scenario to support your suspicions, but I, at this point see no validity..see link below.

Xi Jinping has buried the truth about coronavirus | Ma Jian | Opinion | The Guardian

They did have a "whistleblower" in China who, at least prevented it being kept quiet any longer. But in a state where there is such an authority figure surrounded by only those who must agree, anything is possible.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-28-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1722687)
I respectfully do not buy this, and if true, I am terrified.

...

I don't apply any respect at all to this statement: I don't buy it. Period, full stop.

The source of two of those links is breitbart. There is nothing credible about anything written, posted, streamed, taped, or referenced on that website. It is an alt-right conspiracy website and is equal, in my opinion, to Ed Anger columns in the Weekly World News from the 1980s.

Bucco 02-28-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1722695)
I don't apply any respect at all to this statement: I don't buy it. Period, full stop.

The source of two of those links is breitbart. There is nothing credible about anything written, posted, streamed, taped, or referenced on that website. It is an alt-right conspiracy website and is equal, in my opinion, to Ed Anger columns in the Weekly World News from the 1980s.

I agree with you, but always and continually being accused of various nefarious activities on here, I have decided to simply prove my points with facts. Some things, as defined by my writings on Mandela affect, are just too far out to even respond. This virus story, and let me say...I sincerely hope it is just a simple flu to be gone soon...this story has the makings of conspiracies galore.

TexaninVA 02-28-2020 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1722687)
I respectfully do not buy this, and if true, I am terrified.

First, we are constantly told how great a guy Xi is and how great our relationship is with him and his country.

Secondly, despite our weakened and lack of leadership intelligence agency, I would hope (pray) we would be aware of something amiss.

If so, our government is complicit, if only by ignorance.

The Guardian presented a scenario to support your suspicions, but I, at this point see no validity..see link below.

Xi Jinping has buried the truth about coronavirus | Ma Jian | Opinion | The Guardian

They did have a "whistleblower" in China who, at least prevented it being kept quiet any longer. But in a state where there is such an authority figure surrounded by only those who must agree, anything is possible.

Descriptions of Xi as a great guy are done in the context of not needlessly angering the guy you're negotiating with ... not many take it literally nor of validation of his character etc. He's a communist dictator who's quiet but brutal when need be.

We have many great intel sources & capabilities, but China is called a "Hard Target" for a reason. There's also the reality that, if we do have evidence of the bio-weaponinzing , it will be highly classified. One reason would be to protect our sources, while another would be to prevent panic in the populace. It's is very scary to think that weapons like that exist ... the only real protection is to deter them with superior might be it military or otherwise.

manaboutown 02-28-2020 08:45 PM

I find it interesting the young, healthy Chinese doctor whistler blower "died of the virus" according to the official Chi-Com party line. Yeah, sure. Retribution anyone?

Li Wenliang: Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor - BBC News

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-28-2020 09:13 PM

It sounds to me like the "whistleblower" was not a whistleblower of some grand political conspiracy at all. He tried to warn people that there was a deadly virus going around. The government behaved exactly the same way as what we're seeing in the USA, presently - authorities claiming that it's not a big deal, it's being contained, it's a hoax, etc. etc.

My guess is they didn't know a damned thing, and didn't want the populace to find out something that they themselves knew nothing about yet. It's hard to prevent panic when you aren't prepared with useful information.

That doesn't mean anyone intentionally created a virus to use as a weapon. It just means an ignorant government was ignorant.

TexaninVA 02-28-2020 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1722711)
It sounds to me like the "whistleblower" was not a whistleblower of some grand political conspiracy at all. He tried to warn people that there was a deadly virus going around. The government behaved exactly the same way as what we're seeing in the USA, presently - authorities claiming that it's not a big deal, it's being contained, it's a hoax, etc. etc.

My guess is they didn't know a damned thing, and didn't want the populace to find out something that they themselves knew nothing about yet. It's hard to prevent panic when you aren't prepared with useful information.

That doesn't mean anyone intentionally created a virus to use as a weapon. It just means an ignorant government was ignorant.

"The government behaved exactly the same way as what we're seeing in the USA" ... IMO, that's a grotesque false equivalency. If our government ever starts shooting or killing whistelblowers, then it might pertain.

graciegirl 02-28-2020 10:47 PM

I don't think there was a conspiracy or that the Corona Virus was altered and set loose.

I don't think Breitbart is any different than Mother Jones.

I think we need to stay calm and wash our hands and hope for the best and hope spring comes and makes this virus less prevalent and gives the world scientists more time to find something to oppose it.

We are all gonna die. Most of us a lot sooner than later. If it hits, stay home. Stock up on food and a few jugs of good old bleach.

ColdNoMore 02-29-2020 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1722686)
I think there's merit to this view and it's too facile to dismiss it as a "conspiracy" theroy etc. About two weeks ago I saw a spectral analysis of the virus that indicates human-engineering was likely involved. I don't think the Chinese deliberately unleashed it but was more likely a procedural failure. They certainly have bio-weapons under development. The US, by treaty, is prohibited from doing that.

Really?

And the source of where you supposedly read about this "spectral-analysis"...was what?
:ohdear:


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