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Boe39 02-13-2020 08:58 AM

Dogs left out unleashed
 
Is it ok for a dog owner to let there dog out to go to the bathroom unleashed.

karostay 02-13-2020 08:59 AM

Really Dude ?

FenneyFanatic 02-13-2020 11:42 AM

I feel another dog poop thread coming on....

raynan 02-13-2020 12:49 PM

No it's not alright. There was a video of a guy up near Palmer CC that did that and a gator went after the dog. There are hawks and owls that swoop down on small dogs. Don't take the chance.

Fredman 02-13-2020 01:20 PM

As long as they stay in their yard and have an invisible fence i do not see a problem

Velvet 02-13-2020 01:21 PM

Well, perhaps if you have a totally enclosed backyard, and your dogs are 85 pound Rhodesian ridgebacks... maybe.

Debfrommaine 02-13-2020 01:54 PM

Quite often when I walk my dog around, there are loose dogs off leash nearby. The loose dogs then luv to come see my dog who doesn't really want to see them because he's on a leash and they are not. The drama starts but doesn't need if the other dog were leashed or under owner command which is never the case!

graciegirl 02-13-2020 02:19 PM

It is a law or a restriction or a commandment that all dogs here must be on a leash and cats too and horses and pigs and all.

I can't remember if it is a county thing or a state thing but animals must be leashed. Not so with husbands.

Polar Bear 02-13-2020 03:01 PM

Leash laws are by county. There is no State of Florida leash law.

Where I live, if a dog is on owner’s property and under direct control, a leash is not required.

tophcfa 02-13-2020 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1717819)
As long as they stay in their yard and have an invisible fence i do not see a problem

I see a big problem with that. Invisible fences are not right, shocking a dog is not the right way to train the poor animal. We are positive reinforcement only with our dog. I want to take the owners of the dogs that use invisible fences and put the shock collar on them and drag them to the edge of their property. I am guessing they would not be too happy about that.

Topspinmo 02-13-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1717862)
I see a big problem with that. Invisible fences are not right, shocking a dog is not the right way to train the poor animal. We are positive reinforcement only with our dog. I want to take the owners of the dogs that use invisible fences and put the shock collar on them and drag them to the edge of their property. I am guessing they would not be too happy about that.

Well, there’s few that would enjoy long lost tingling down the leg :ohdear:

Debfrommaine 02-13-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1717830)
It is a law or a restriction or a commandment that all dogs here must be on a leash and cats too and horses and pigs and all.

I can't remember if it is a county thing or a state thing but animals must be leashed. Not so with husbands.

I do not want to get too far off topic but Gracie let me tell you I got a dog for my husband, it was a fair trade!

kcrazorbackfan 02-13-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Boe39 (Post 1717724)
Is it ok for a dog owner to let there dog out to go to the bathroom unleashed.

Yeah, as long as the owner isn't worried about raptors, gators, coyotes or anything else that can kill their pets.

CFrance 02-13-2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1717862)
I see a big problem with that. Invisible fences are not right, shocking a dog is not the right way to train the poor animal. We are positive reinforcement only with our dog. I want to take the owners of the dogs that use invisible fences and put the shock collar on them and drag them to the edge of their property. I am guessing they would not be too happy about that.

Our (first) golden never got shocked with his invisible fence. If the positive training procedure is done correctly, the dog will never get shocked. He will hear a beeping sign that warns him he is close to the fence line, which during training is marked off by a line of flags six feet from the actual fence. So you take the dog, on the leash, up to the flags, hear the beep, turn him around and back off, and reward. It works a treat with retrievers. I don't know about other dogs.


That having been said, I would not use an invisible fence in TV. Too many coyotes and alligators who haven't been "positively" trained.

suzdief 02-14-2020 06:16 AM

I wouldn’t. It’s coyote mating season and they’re definitely here in TV.

golfing eagles 02-14-2020 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1717923)
Our (first) golden never got shocked with his invisible fence. If the positive training procedure is done correctly, the dog will never get shocked. He will hear a beeping sign that warns him he is close to the fence line, which during training is marked off by a line of flags six feet from the actual fence. So you take the dog, on the leash, up to the flags, hear the beep, turn him around and back off, and reward. It works a treat with retrievers. I don't know about other dogs.


That having been said, I would not use an invisible fence in TV. Too many coyotes and alligators who haven't been "positively" trained.

Absolutely. I've had an invisible fence for 6 years with 2 dogs and neither of them were ever shocked. Also, the system generates a low level shock, I've tested it on my arm. We're not talking electrocution here, and the strength of the shock is adjustable.

greenflash245 02-14-2020 09:06 AM

check the local county ordinance.

OhioBuckeye 02-14-2020 09:51 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by Boe39 (Post 1717724)
Is it ok for a dog owner to let there dog out to go to the bathroom unleashed.

Don’t want anybody to get upset with my comment but our comments here aren’t the rules. Call TV front office & get the ruling. I see a gentleman that walks (looks like a standard poodle) his dog around the TV of Charlotte with no leash on, but I’m telling you this dog walks into the grass & sits down when anybody walks by them, walking by themselves or with another dog. This dog never moves no matter if another dog is trying to approach it. It’s an amazing dog! But my point is I don’t know if he’s suppose to really do this. Check with the front office!

blueash 02-14-2020 10:40 AM

Google is your friend. Sumter county's ordinances are all online.

You can read the animal control rules here

They include:

Direct control shall mean immediate and continuous physical control of an animal at all times such as by means of a fence, leash, cord, or chain of sufficient strength to restrain the animal; or in the case of specifically trained working, agricultural or hunting animals which immediately respond to such commands, while working; direct control shall also include aural or oral control, if the controlling person is at all times clearly and fully within the unobstructed sight and hearing of the animal.

and

No person shall cause, permit, or allow a dog or cat to stray or in any manner to run at large [not under direct control as defined above] in or upon any public street, sidewalk, or other public property or the property of another.

So to answer the OP's question.. No dog or cat can be at large. A dog does not have to be on a leash but does have to be under the direct control of a nearby person.

Other rules include:
All cats must have a license and a rabies vaccine tag, not just dogs and ferrets.
No animal in heat may be outdoors.
Any cat which is not sterilized cannot be outdoors unattended. No exceptions.

jryley2@yahoo.com 02-14-2020 02:01 PM

I just got an invisible fence and I trained my dogs to stop before the flags. I am outside with them when they go out because I want to make sure their aren’t predators around. the worst predator is my neighbor. They hate dogs

brianherlihy 02-14-2020 04:34 PM

mouth balls
 
I use mouth balls all over my land and the dogs just stay a way and don't poop:bigbow:

Velvet 02-14-2020 04:56 PM

Moth balls may hurt them. Because dogs have a great sense of smell I use a small amount of coarse black pepper. A little sniff and they pass by.

JimJohnson 02-15-2020 04:35 AM

My dog goes outside on our yard several times a day. No color no leash but trained not to cross off our property. My wife allows me out as well without ID as long as I don’t leave our private property. On private property, the florida law requires the dog to be under the owners control.

jedalton 02-15-2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1717862)
I see a big problem with that. Invisible fences are not right, shocking a dog is not the right way to train the poor animal. We are positive reinforcement only with our dog. I want to take the owners of the dogs that use invisible fences and put the shock collar on them and drag them to the edge of their property. I am guessing they would not be too happy about that.

Pavlov's law

Nancy@Pinellas 02-15-2020 06:44 AM

Dogs must be leashed at all times.

Two Bills 02-15-2020 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jedalton (Post 1718204)
Pavlov's law


Murphy's Law.

Polar Bear 02-15-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy@Pinellas (Post 1718205)
Dogs must be leashed at all times.

Might be your desire, but simply not true.

dewilson58 02-15-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1718278)
Might be your desire, but simply not true.




It's in our Restrictive Covenants.


Not yours???

Barefoot 02-15-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Boe39 (Post 1717724)
Is it ok for a dog owner to let there dog out to go to the bathroom unleashed.

Of course not, unless the owners have invisible fencing.
Even then, the dog should be supervised.
Invisible fencing does not prevent predators from attacking the dog.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-15-2020 10:51 AM

If the owner has a courtyard village, I'm not seeing a problem. Let the dog out to do its business in your back yard. Anything else, either have an invisible fence, or take the pooch out for a walk. If you're disabled, most dogs will walk just fine alongside a wheelchair. If you're so disabled that you need help with a wheelchair, then most aides will allow your dog to walk alongside the wheelchair while they're rolling it on your behalf.

Walking your dog is one of the responsibilities of having one. The dog SHOULD be leashed whenever they are off your property, according to county law and according to all of the deed restrictions I've read (I haven't read them all). So basically - if you are able to contain your animal to your own property and are confident that it won't stray away from the property line even a foot, then you're fine. Otherwise - go out with the pooch and a leash.

Polar Bear 02-15-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1718286)
It's in our Restrictive Covenants.


Not yours???

Just going by Sumter County Code. Only reference in my district code is vague as to where a leash is required and I don’t think could be construed to override County Code.

Just for the record, our dog is always on a leash when off our property. She is also very well trained to stay on our property and never unsupervised. :)

dewilson58 02-15-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1718312)
Just going by Sumter County Code. Only reference in my district code is vague as to where a leash is required and I don’t think could be construed to override County Code.

Just for the record, our dog is always on a leash when off our property. She is also very well trained to stay on our property and never unsupervised. :)


Restr Cov's can "over-ride" (not the word I would use) County Code and be more restrictive.......................that's why they are there and we all agree to them.


Ours is fairly specific.............."responsible to keep such pets on a leash".


Enforceability might be of question.

Polar Bear 02-15-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1718318)
Restr Cov's can "over-ride" (not the word I would use) County Code and be more restrictive.......................that's why they are there and we all agree to them.

Ours is fairly specific.............."responsible to keep such pets on a leash".

Enforceability might be of question.

Agree with most of your post, except possibly a little bit with the "fairly specific" part. If our code is the same as yours, it's surrounded by references to natural areas and public facilities. And that sort of vagueness makes me very much agree with your enforceability comment when a dog is on its owner's lot and is supervised by the owner.

Ramone 02-15-2020 03:20 PM

A little poop don't hurt anything. Especially in your own yard.

Northwoods 02-15-2020 09:27 PM

When I take our dog out to do his business in our yard I am always with him. He is not on a leash but he is well trained so he doesn't wander. If we are going off our property he is always on a leash.

Debfrommaine 02-16-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RayViall (Post 1718360)
A little poop don't hurt anything. Especially in your own yard.

The issue for me is not the poop. It is that when the dog off leash in their "yard" sees my dog coming by on his leash, the dog off leash is curious as to who is walking by so he/see wanders out of the yard to say hello. My dog gets upset because he's on leash and then the other dog starts to follow us and the drama starts! I have had several incidents in my area with off leash dogs coming out of the garage, out of the yard, out of the car, to my on leash dog and not under voice control.

mulligan 02-16-2020 07:35 AM

I thought the combination dog park/archery range was going to solve that problem.

CFrance 02-16-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Debfrommaine (Post 1718436)
The issue for me is not the poop. It is that when the dog off leash in their "yard" sees my dog coming by on his leash, the dog off leash is curious as to who is walking by so he/see wanders out of the yard to say hello. My dog gets upset because he's on leash and then the other dog starts to follow us and the drama starts! I have had several incidents in my area with off leash dogs coming out of the garage, out of the yard, out of the car, to my on leash dog and not under voice control.

While I have never had that happen with off-leash dogs running after my dog, I can understand your concern. A leashed dog feels vulnerable around unleashed dogs. I also don't believe very many dogs in TV are totally under voice control, on leash or off. That training involves weeks of practice. Most of our TV dogs are just pets and not strictly trained.

OhioBuckeye 02-16-2020 08:31 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
[QUOTE=Polar Bear;1718278]Might be your desire, but simply not true. When walking off of your property they’re supposed to be on a leash, OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY! I know some people don’t but you better have good control of your pet or they don’t bite anybody!

Polar Bear 02-16-2020 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1718464)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1718278)
Might be your desire, but simply not true.

When walking off of your property they’re supposed to be on a leash, OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY! I know some people don’t but you better have good control of your pet or they don’t bite anybody!

Agree totally. Post I replied to said dogs must be on leash “at all times”. :)

Go Bears and Bucks!! :)


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