Coronavirus in Florida
 

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

Where did you read there are more then a dozen cases?

The latest information I saw was 9 reported cases in Florida. There are currently 6 states with more reported cases. The bulk of the cases are in the states of Washington and California. Are there more cases than have been reported ? Of course, since not every case has been diagnosed yet. Do you actually have any real proof to support your claim that the state of FL is suppressing information? There is really no need for you to be panicking. What you do need to do is follow the advice of the public health professionals on what precautions to take.

Really doesn't matter where they are located, you have to start adopting new strategies and behaviors for minimizing your risk of exposure. Some simple measures are limiting exposure to large crowds, no handshaking, nor bumping elbows. Just think about sneezing into elbows and then bumping elbows. Shop at hours with few people in the store, and use hand sanitizers after leaving public places. There is much less risk with outdoor activities, which is favorable for TV life style.

Finally don't be selfish if asked to self quarantine. Its just like a hurricane, you stay away from the rest of us and then youcan come out when you have passed the contagious stage. Which really should include your family members as well, and they will probably already have it by the time you figure it out. Have friends drop off food outside the house, and you can retrieve the food shortly afterwards. Transfer cash via Zelle to your friends after getting the receipt. Its obviously a crappy change of life style, but that's the most effective method of halting the spread, until a vaccine can be found.

And you are ultimately responsible for your own health, and working together we can make TV much safer than the rest of FL

sportsguy, whose wife works at a research medical center . . .

Can't confirm the OP's post with an internet search so I hafta wonder if it was provided by the barber/hairstylist, a golfing foursome, from the pickleball court, a wait staff individual or a State Dept of Health employee. Staying tuned in awaiting confirmation.

Took me less than a minute to find the following:

As of Saturday, cases of the virus had been confirmed in Manatee County, Charlotte County, Hillsborough County (2), Lee County (2), Broward County (2) and Santa Rosa County.

https://www.news4jax.com/resizer/xEL...6AK3TWVSKY.jpg

COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health

Check the Twitter feeds for Florida governmental agencies.

I just love me some facts...from legitimate sources. :thumbup:

As I am avoiding airports and being on planes I am not taking a planned nonessential otherwise routine trip. I am considering using Mr. Spock's Vulcan salute as a salubrious manner of greeting.

Health authorities ALWAYS hide the "real facts", especially when Tourism $$$, and other businesses, are affected. It is why there are so many virus epidemics. We are at risk here in TV.. what is being done !!!

I think the state is reporting the facts accurately. In the bubble, with a vulnerable population, the last time I checked the death rate for men over 70 was 8% from the virus. But because most here are deniers, very few have seemed to change their behavior and support the president view that it’s no big deal. We were in a Korean airport 3 weeks ago, everybody wears masks and it’s a big deal

Doomsayers! So what are you going to do different if they say 9 cases and you say 2 dozen? I think the news media is over hyping the virus and creating panic. You are more likely to die in The Villages in a roundabout between January and April than from the corona virus. Wash your hands regularly, exercise, take your vitamins, and stay out of roundabouts, and you will get through this media scare. There are always virus's. Remember EBOLA 4 years ago and SARS before that. Hospitals spent millions converting special treatment areas that are now storage rooms.

Protect ourselves as it is the flu. Lordy we have been thru the bird flu, swine flu and two or three others that was mentioned on line the other day.

The Ebola virus was stopped because of contaminate policies and the development of a vaccine . There is no coronavirus vaccination and NO containment policies here in TV. People cough And sneeze without covering the cough, sanitizing wipes are not at many restaurants here, despite having a vulnerable population of elderly here.

There’s a lot of discussion about the virus, but very little information is being offered to us to really understand what’s going on. Recently, I was searching for some answers about the COVID-19. I stumbled on the WHO web site. There a daily situation report is published concerning the spread of virus. The reports are at www,who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

Whether there are 2 cases or 40 cases, would that change how you do anything? I mean really, everyone is aware of it, just take your precautions.

What do you base this on? What are you trying to accomplish by posting this here? I do not see how fear mongering is going to help. If you think information is being withheld go to those you think are withholding it, or self quarantine until you feel safe again.

The 8% death rate for men over 70 is actually from China, not the US. Keep in mind that according to the CDC, 70-85% of seasonal flu deaths occur in people over 65.

You have to look...……………..here is one of the best sources. Even get updates on a map in real time. Enjoy!
Johns Hopkins Medicine, based in Baltimore, Maryland

Don't French kiss. Wash your hands . relax.

Yes in China,but men over 70 are the most vulnerable. We don’t have death rates yet here in USA. But China contained the virus by quarantined 50,000,000. They closed down Macau, the gambling resort that’s bigger than Las Vegas. We can’t do that in America, which leaves elderly men vulnerable

Great advice

first sentence is soooooo true in my opinion. government is constantly with holding info from us .

What is being done!!!!! You protect YOURSELF.

People with covid-19 Don't sneeze. It is purely a lung infection. Shopping when the majority of people are not present doesn't prevent infection. The virus remains viable on any surface it is on for 9 to 12 hours. The virus is transmitted on your hands.

I'm not saying don't be concerned about COVID-19, but I'm just curious as to whether many who are exceedingly concerned might not be living their lives in a healthy fashion, otherwise. I'm talking about the common things like obesity, heart disease, etc., that might be exacerbated by everyday living choices. Maybe a few too many retirement cocktails?

No one's perfect - I'm certainly not - but the attention to this particular virus does seem to be over the top, to me. I did a quick check to see what were the common causes of death in Florida (statewide), and found the most recent listing from 2018. Influenza/pneumonia deaths totaled some 3,000+ statewide that year. Heart disease, cancer, stroke, unintentional injury, chronic lower respiratory disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, suicide, liver disease and nephritis/neprhrotic syndrome/nephrosis (kidney disease) all came in higher in numbers...the top three very, very significantly higher. Heart disease, for example, clocked in at ~47,000 deaths.

Leading Causes of Death Statewide In Florida

The stats tell me two things: first, that influenza type deaths are in the thousands, annually in Florida. Secondly, there are major diseases that many people can do much to avoid or ameliorate that take many, many lives. Lifestyle choices could conceivably help individuals in that regard.

Bottom line: if you're overly-worried about COVID-19, where do you stand in other areas that you can make controlled choices in? This is the disconnect that I've witnessed in my own travels and in conversations. I can see some who are very seriously overweight, for example, worrying more about COVID-19 than the obvious strains on their own bodies from too much food, etc., and too little exercise. It might be time to reassess.

https://ncov2019.live/data
 

Coronavirus Dashboard

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virus is not going away by lying about numbers and ignoring the truth

Whatever you believe about the facts and numbers about the cases in the state, what will you do when there are confirmed cases in The Villages?

If you think about the healthcare industry, the industry is 95% of the time, reactionary to your condition. 5% are childhood vaccines, which is proactive and preventative. Otherwise, you are in a free country, and you generally don't ever have to go to a doctor or be test, until something happens. In a totalitarian regime, without a medical system, you are at the discretion of the government which wants to be in control, and has no empathy nor responsibility for its citizens, so don't expect real or truthful statistics, which the US government can rely. So data and information will have to wait to be collected and processed by non totalitarian goverments with medical systems for the population

With a novel, meaning never having been seen before, virus, which is believed to have a mortality rate of 50 to 100 times higher than the seasonal flue with a vaccine, to prevent the spread requires preventative measures, which is the sole function of the CDC. However, the CDC requires data before making requirements, which is again reactionary. ie, how many humans had to perish before air planes are as safe as they are today? again, all a reaction function to increase safety. Right now, data to information is in relatively short supply. The movie "Contagion" is a very good representation of how the lack of information, which is natural, creates fear of the unknown, which is a reaction in humans hard wired to preserve the species, and can only be solved with data, then analysis, then information. This scenario plays out over and over again in human history.

And yes, by definition, the situation will get worse in terms of data but that is a natural response function to data to a virus which spreads at an exponential rate. The next two months will be very scary data and information wise.

From the Chinese CDC, their release of data shows an exponential mortality rate curve as well, however, tipped very steeply higher at the age groups above 60. So just with that limited information, the villages is at high risk of mortality if the residents don't adopt a preventative, pro active approach together. Difficult of course because humans don't like their lifestyle interrupted, but your individual outcome is mostly dependent on you and partially dependent on all of us being smart and not selfish for a relatively short period of time. And if the virus gets into an elderly assisted living facility, there is a high probability of a cluster of unfavorable outcomes.

sportsguy and coachK

People with Covid-19 are not immune to OTHER things that might make them sneeze. This is also the end of the flu season and the start of the allergy season. And sometimes, people just sneeze because a little speck of dust flies into their nose and tickles it.

I sometimes will sneeze when I leave the house on a sunny day and look up in the direction of sunlight. Many people sneeze in supermarkets, because there's a lot of dust in supermarkets.

Hayfever happens even to people with Covid-19.

So sure - sneezing is not a symptom of Covid-19 but that doesn't mean "if they sneeze they don't have Covid-19." It just means "the sneeze had nothing to do with any Covid-19 they might or might not have."

I sneeze my way round most of the exec golf courses.
Whatever chemical has been sprayed sets me off, every time.
Thinking of wearing a mask and carrying a few toilet rolls next time I play! :icon_wink:

You will never hear about the virus in the villages. It is not the real world. All they care about here is selling houses to old people

You will be completely safe if you stay home. And don't touch your mail. The Villages is not your mama.

I see you are Dr. Doug.

I am Dr. Mom.

You can't get your mail if you stay at home.

You watch too much TV

When we approach the 27,000 annual deaths from regular flu, I will start to panic with y'all.

Wow! It sounds like we need some safe spaces for some people.

Hmmmm!

27,000 is a low year
26,000 to 54,000 is the range over the last 30 years

And whoever posted that covid-19 is 50-100 times as deadly as regular influenza should check their facts, 3-8 times is the best current estimate