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Houselover 03-11-2020 06:01 PM

What is the Villages response to the Carona Virus
 
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

JoMar 03-11-2020 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Houselover (Post 1726427)
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

If you're concerned don't go. Why do we always expect organizations or governments or corporations to usurp personal responsibility? Disney is still open, movie theaters are still open, Broadway theaters are still open, restaurants are still open, and here, the squares and all the stores and restaurants are also open. Self quarantine is an option if you are concerned (assuming you can find toilet paper). Minor league baseball continues, NASCAR continues, Olympic trials continue so not sure "the rest of the sports world" is with the NBA and college basketball. That may change but asking government to take charge of my life is not anywhere near my wheelhouse.

billethkid 03-11-2020 06:38 PM

YOU are the very best option to control your exposure (or not).
There is no need to have the government or anyone else to dictate the common sense precautions that need be taken.

Be careful what you wish for....YOU are the very best option to control your exposure.

Marathon Man 03-11-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Houselover (Post 1726427)
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

Personal resonsibility is alive and well. I would like to make my own decisions, thank you very much. I want government to step in only when idications are that they need to. So far, "The Villages" does not need to.

Those who are concerned about being around crowds are invited to make their own decision and stay home.

anothersteve 03-11-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Houselover (Post 1726427)
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

Again..........ridiculous..............the freaking sky is not falling people!

Steve

NotGolfer 03-11-2020 08:46 PM

As with anything personal, you need to be your own self-advocate and that goes for health issues as well. The Villages isn't our baby-sitter and we all have a choice on whether we participate in activities or not. I have autoimmune issues where "some" would say hibernate, but I refuse to give up what mobility I do have. I still will shop, go the church, the dr. etc. Just use common sense, wash your hands and do what "they're" telling you to do to maintain health. IF you feel sick or coming down with something----stay home!!

cbg150 03-12-2020 01:23 AM

Remember, this is not just about YOU and your preferences. Social distancing is one of the best ways to prevent the spread of the Coronavirus in a community. Limiting large scale events is a good preventative measure, especially among our demographic group. Each of us can sacrifice a little during the height of the outbreak and prevent this pandemic from overwhelming the hospitals and bringing harm to our neighbors.

villageuser 03-12-2020 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1726432)
If you're concerned don't go. Why do we always expect organizations or governments or corporations to usurp personal responsibility? Disney is still open, movie theaters are still open, Broadway theaters are still open, restaurants are still open, and here, the squares and all the stores and restaurants are also open. Self quarantine is an option if you are concerned (assuming you can find toilet paper). Minor league baseball continues, NASCAR continues, Olympic trials continue so not sure "the rest of the sports world" is with the NBA and college basketball. That may change but asking government to take charge of my life is not anywhere near my wheelhouse.

Canceling potentially big-turn-out events is not just about telling people what or what not to do. It is about resolving the situation of people throwing an event, having to hire people, caterers, entertainers, etc, for an event that nearly nobody will come to if they are wanting to be careful with their health and the health of their friends, family, and neighbors. Better to reimburse people for canceling an event rather than going through that stress, I figure. That way everyone is on the same page.

Travel41 03-12-2020 05:36 AM

The Sharon and the Savannah do not have large numbers attending like NBA games. Please don’t cancel shows at these venues.

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Houselover (Post 1726427)
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

Forget the rest of the world, certain areas are in a completely different situation.

So, aside from the NBA which had a PLAYER test positive, what has been cancelled? No announcement from MLB, Disney is open, Players championship starts today.

Your point will be well taken if cases start to show up here, but until then, no need to panic

skarra 03-12-2020 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cbg150 (Post 1726516)
Remember, this is not just about YOU and your preferences. Social distancing is one of the best ways to prevent the spread of the Coronavirus in a community. Limiting large scale events is a good preventative measure, especially among our demographic group. Each of us can sacrifice a little during the height of the outbreak and prevent this pandemic from overwhelming the hospitals and bringing harm to our neighbors.


I agree COMPLETELY, even though I lean libertarian.

I'm reminded of a young person I had a conversation with yesterday who didn't care as no-one under-30 has died from the disease and they were quite happy to expose themselves to high risks. The point is that the more people that get it (including this under-30 year old), the more at risk the rest of us are. ALL of us. And especially anyone over 60.

If this gets a hold in the villages I see a lot of people not making it through this. And the infection curve is very steep. Look at Coronavirus Update (Live): 126,673 Cases and 4,641 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer to see what we are up against. Hospitals are going to be overwhelmed very quickly.

If you are good at completely avoiding the flu each year then perhaps you have a chance, otherwise why risk it or why would you want to have someone else take that risk for you??

Drdoug49 03-12-2020 05:46 AM

The villages is composed of vulnerable elderly people, yet we continue to have nightly entertainment at the squares, recreational centers do not have sanitizers in rooms, why not

jebartle 03-12-2020 05:54 AM

Shocked that "our petri dish" of coronavirus "could be recipients" here in Villages has not reared it's ugly head. We qualify for the age group, we travel, we gather for numerous activities. Be safe folks and self isolate.

Cheapbas 03-12-2020 05:56 AM

I think I agree with you houselover vs. the last 6 posts. There are 2, not 1, ways to combat this. 1) yes, of course, take care of yourself, thats your responsibility. 2) CONTAINMENT, the responsibility of local officials.

Look at the numbers on the WHO page regarding those who contracted this.....over 80 - 15% of this age group passed away; over 70 - 7% of this age group; over 60 - 4% of this group. So, 26% at extreme risk

So you can do the math. Projections 70-150m people out of 370m US population, 20-40% contract. Apply to village population and then take 26% of that.

I sincerely hope this blows over, but the plan should not be to sincerely hope this blows over.

For me, always assume the worst case scenario, and plan according

hollywoodz 03-12-2020 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Houselover (Post 1726427)
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

I have read the comments to this post and find those that oppose Village officials from being more pro active in reducing social contacts to be not in touch with reality. Folks, it is predicted that over 1 million of us will get this virus. Folks, why are studio audiences being canceled with probably no more than a couple of hundred in attendance? Why is it that a major university now forbids gatherings of more than 100? Why is it that a major city is stopping gatherings of more than 250? We are told to avoid large gatherings, yet Village officials refuse to issue advisories to curtail large group gatherings at its own recreation centers, maybe some with hundreds in attendance. I have emails from a Village official to confirm this point! Those of you that want to take risks by being part of a gathering of seniors, many with pre-existing medical conditions just ripe for the virus, by all means continue you in your ways. That is quite foolish in my opinion, as is the Villages not being more proactive as the leading experts tell us. Oh, go ahead and continue to hug and shake hands too, just like the president and vice-president say they intend to keep on doing-you know, the ones that have been misleading us from the get-go about this crisis! As well, we are all exposed to this disease, particularly since the testing for it, so far, has been abysmal. I'd rather be safe than sorry at this point, so if Village officials won't lead the way, I will.

kenoc7 03-12-2020 06:17 AM

The NBA took the action it did because a Utah player tested positive.

noslices1 03-12-2020 06:32 AM

Cheapass, your math is a little suspect. 15% over 80, 7% over 70 and 4% over 60 does not equal 26% of the population in The Villages. You have to “average” those three and that would equal a little over 8%, not 26%.

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by noslices1 (Post 1726570)
Cheapass, your math is a little suspect. 15% over 80, 7% over 70 and 4% over 60 does not equal 26% of the population in The Villages. You have to “average” those three and that would equal a little over 8%, not 26%.

And even those percentages do not account for the cases that are asymptomatic or mild and never tested, which lowers the mortality rate considerably

Texased 03-12-2020 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodz (Post 1726560)
I have read the comments to this post and find those that oppose Village officials from being more pro active in reducing social contacts to be not in touch with reality. Folks, it is predicted that over 1 million of us will get this virus. Folks, why are studio audiences being canceled with probably no more than a couple of hundred in attendance? Why is it that a major university now forbids gatherings of more than 100? Why is it that a major city is stopping gatherings of more than 250? We are told to avoid large gatherings, yet Village officials refuse to issue advisories to curtail large group gatherings at its own recreation centers, maybe some with hundreds in attendance. I have emails from a Village official to confirm this point! Those of you that want to take risks by being part of a gathering of seniors, many with pre-existing medical conditions just ripe for the virus, by all means continue you in your ways. That is quite foolish in my opinion, as is the Villages not being more proactive as the leading experts tell us. Oh, go ahead and continue to hug and shake hands too, just like the president and vice-president say they intend to keep on doing-you know, the ones that have been misleading us from the get-go about this crisis! As well, we are all exposed to this disease, particularly since the testing for it, so far, has been abysmal. I'd rather be safe than sorry at this point, so if Village officials won't lead the way, I will.

When, not if, the first case hits The Villages you will see a complete shutdown here but until that time money is the only reality that drives the officials.

Mrs. Heck 03-12-2020 06:47 AM

Some replies miss the larger point. Yes, avoiding the crowds will protect you. But having infected persons within those crowds will spread the virus wider, quicker, and more will be infected. More will need a hospital that is already at capacity. More will die. TV is full of old folks with health conditions already.

wsachs 03-12-2020 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Houselover (Post 1726427)
When will The Villages get on board with the rest of the world and cancel events at the Sharon, Savannah Center, and other events where large numbers of people gather in a confined area? Is the NBA and the rest of sports world the only organization who understand the serious nature of the Corona virus..

As of early March, the coronavirus outbreak had infected more than 100,000 people and killed more than 3,000 globally, the majority in China, where the illness was first detected in December. More than 750 people in the United States have been diagnosed, including at least 25 people who have died.
By comparison, influenza — known as the common flu — has infected as many as 45 million Americans since October and killed as many as 46,000, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Bonnevie 03-12-2020 07:05 AM

even if coronavirus rate of mortality is "only" 1%, that's 10 times the rate of the flu. coronavirus a is a novel virus....we have no built up immunity from past exposures. there is no shot as there is for the flu. the constant comparison to the flu is causing a false sense of security to some.

stadry 03-12-2020 07:06 AM

seems to me tv folks're in a higher risk group than general population when we consider avg age & health status,,, that being my theory, can we anticipate opportunities to buy deceased homeowners' properties to increase arithmetically OR geometrically ?

most of the medical advice seems common sense - 'use your head !' there often is a lack of it especially when confronting the herd mentality

Drdoug49 03-12-2020 07:14 AM

TV owners have to take protective action based on CDC guidelines. Most TV people still think it’s no big deal

PugMom 03-12-2020 07:19 AM

there is a population in the Villages, of which i am one, who believe this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion for whatever reason. i'm not taking any special precautions. i continue to go about my business which includes shaking hands & greeting new people. if for some reason i should become ill, i'll heal up the way i did with any other flu. it is what it is.

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1726590)
even if coronavirus rate of mortality is "only" 1%, that's 10 times the rate of the flu. coronavirus a is a novel virus....we have no built up immunity from past exposures. there is no shot as there is for the flu. the constant comparison to the flu is causing a false sense of security to some.

Not necessarily true. According to DNA/RNA sequencing, all of our "modern" coronaviruses (swine, bird, SARS, MERS) are direct descendants of the 1918-1919 Spanish flu virus, so there will be some degree of "herd immunity", in addition to natural immunity from B cell histocompatibility testing within our own lymphatic and reticuloendothelial systems

SnowflakeinDeLaVista 03-12-2020 07:22 AM

So many people are making good points here. Each of us bears a personal responsibility to ourselves and those we interact with—yes. Our public officials also have a responsibility to act on our behalf. This is a virus that may not show symptoms for some time, so can be spread across a wide range before we know it. Many say it isnot here so why be inconvenienced? Well, how do you know it isn’t on our doorstep? There are not enough tests to know where it really is. We are being discouraged from wearing masks even though the primary means of spreading is by touching your mouth— because there is a fear there will not be enough masks for health care workers. What does that tell us? Venues in the villages are open because of financial concerns NOT public safety concerns. If this virus grabs villagers there will be lots of houses on the market next spring, I’m afraid.

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 07:23 AM

A question posted anonymously: Do some posters that have "dr" in their user name actually have a medical degree and if so, in what specialty?

Joanne19335 03-12-2020 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1726432)
If you're concerned don't go. Why do we always expect organizations or governments or corporations to usurp personal responsibility? Disney is still open, movie theaters are still open, Broadway theaters are still open, restaurants are still open, and here, the squares and all the stores and restaurants are also open. Self quarantine is an option if you are concerned (assuming you can find toilet paper). Minor league baseball continues, NASCAR continues, Olympic trials continue so not sure "the rest of the sports world" is with the NBA and college basketball. That may change but asking government to take charge of my life is not anywhere near my wheelhouse.

You don’t seem to be taking this pandemic quite serious enough. Yesterday a gentleman walked into a pro shop To check in and announced that he had just returned from Italy. He was coughing and wiping his nose. I think we all should be concerned since we are in a most vulnerable age group here in The Villages. Although you may not like government interference in your life, it is very important that you follow the guidelines that they have suggested. Not to do so would be foolish and selfish. Frankly, I am hoping that many of the concerts scheduled in the very near future are canceled. It is just a matter of time before Sumter county is affected. We do not live in a “bubble.“ Wake up, sir or madam.

danglanzsr 03-12-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Drdoug49 (Post 1726549)
The villages is composed of vulnerable elderly people, yet we continue to have nightly entertainment at the squares, recreational centers do not have sanitizers in rooms, why not

Apparently people are stealing the sanitizers from the rec centers. They were there.

Drdoug49 03-12-2020 07:43 AM

Desperate people steal sanitizers, tough times ahead. Hope Iam wrong. I have a Ph.D. Not an MD

Lil GTO 03-12-2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1726432)
If you're concerned don't go. Why do we always expect organizations or governments or corporations to usurp personal responsibility? Disney is still open, movie theaters are still open, Broadway theaters are still open, restaurants are still open, and here, the squares and all the stores and restaurants are also open. Self quarantine is an option if you are concerned (assuming you can find toilet paper). Minor league baseball continues, NASCAR continues, Olympic trials continue so not sure "the rest of the sports world" is with the NBA and college basketball. That may change but asking government to take charge of my life is not anywhere near my wheelhouse.

This is exactly correct!

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 1726612)
You don’t seem to be taking this pandemic quite serious enough. Yesterday a gentleman walked into a pro shop To check in and announced that he had just returned from Italy. He was coughing and wiping his nose. I think we all should be concerned since we are in a most vulnerable age group here in The Villages. Although you may not like government interference in your life, it is very important that you follow the guidelines that they have suggested. Not to do so would be foolish and selfish. Frankly, I am hoping that many of the concerts scheduled in the very near future are canceled. It is just a matter of time before Sumter county is affected. We do not live in a “bubble.“ Wake up, sir or madam.

What course? IF that actually happened, it could be a real game changer, IF he was infected. We can expect the first cases here in 5-10 days, again IF that actually happened and IF he has COVID-19. He also would win this month's Darwin award.

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Drdoug49 (Post 1726628)
Desperate people steal sanitizers, tough times ahead. Hope Iam wrong. I have a Ph.D. Not an MD

In virology? Microbiology? Or medieval French literature??? Sorry, couldn't help myself, it's just that you have some valid points and others that are a little bit in left field

riamd1954 03-12-2020 07:53 AM

First of all the nba is coming on board a little late !! And the best thing was stopping any travel to and from China!! And now Europe!!

Bonnevie 03-12-2020 07:54 AM

from Sumter County

https://www.districtgov.org/PdfUploa...%20Release.pdf

Villageswimmer 03-12-2020 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1726603)
there is a population in the Villages, of which i am one, who believe this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion for whatever reason. i'm not taking any special precautions. i continue to go about my business which includes shaking hands & greeting new people. if for some reason i should become ill, i'll heal up the way i did with any other flu. it is what it is.


Just my opinion and certainly not personal, but I think people who continue to shake hands are very selfish. If one doesn’t care about their own health, that’s their privilege but don’t pass germs on to others.
Why even wash your hands?

rzalla1 03-12-2020 08:03 AM

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you can't distort the math. If there were 100 people in each age group, there would be 26 cases in 300 people. That's less than 9%, not 26%.

Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com 03-12-2020 08:04 AM

All that you have to fear is fear itself said eloquently by FDR, you don’t want to be exposed, stay home, the only chances that you have to contract this is contact with an individual that has it, currently there are no one with Corona Virus anywhere close to here. Live your life, but please let others live theirs as they choose, yes the Hospitals are on top of all the issues and if anyone is exposed there are procedures in place right now. Again don’t fuel the fears Our media is overdoing it and scaring people!!!! Just be cautious wash your hands often, maintain a bottle of alcohol based sanitizer in every vehicle and if female in your pocketbook, use it often!!!!!!!!! by the way masks are of no use unless you get an actual respirator

golfing eagles 03-12-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1726654)
Just my opinion and certainly not personal, but I think people who continue to shake hands are very selfish. If one doesn’t care about their own health, that’s their privilege but don’t pass germs on to others.
Why even wash your hands?

In that case, why even get within 100 yards of another person???? But I agree, handshaking is something that we should dispense with for now. Of course , if the person offering a hand is "selfish" then the person accepting it is "stupid"


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