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Koapaka 03-22-2020 09:42 PM

Some GREAT News
 
Reading our hometown newspaper, thought I would share some VERY POSITIVE news about this. It is a learning curve folks...ALL if it for ALL of us is a learning curve.

Hang in there....this too shall pass!

Stay positive: Here are 23 pieces of good news regarding COVID-19 - Houston Chronicle

Velvet 03-22-2020 11:40 PM

Yes, my guess is April 26th if we follow China’s pattern. It took China 15 weeks from the first case to today to turn around enough to open Apple store, Starbucks, loosen travel restrictions...

l2ridehd 03-23-2020 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1731909)
Yes, my guess is April 26th if we follow China’s pattern. It took China 15 weeks from the first case to today to turn around enough to open Apple store, Starbucks, loosen travel restrictions...

Except we don't have any idea when the first case in China happened. Only when they reported the first case. Could have already been a couple months or more after the first case.

44Apple 03-23-2020 06:46 AM

China was a lot tougher on their citizens. No national "shelter in place" order has come from Trump and the Fed Gov as they continue to talk but are directionless. The States have taken the lead on all of this.

Velvet 04-21-2020 10:57 AM

So one month ago I guessed that if we followed China’s pattern, at least what they claim to have said, we’d start up opening in the US by April 26th. But now I’m thinking it may be a bit too soon if people start traveling from contagious areas.

Heyitsrick 04-21-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 1731960)
China was a lot tougher on their citizens. No national "shelter in place" order has come from Trump and the Fed Gov as they continue to talk but are directionless. The States have taken the lead on all of this.

I find comments like this interesting. I've seen no legal authority for the president to order a national shelter-in-place policy. And we've just seen/heard governors assert that they - and only they - can order re-openings in their respective states. Wouldn't it follow that if a president could order a national shelter-in-place policy that he/she would also have the authority to rescind the same? So, where is this "directionless" scenario you speak of coming from?

States largely have authority over when to shut down, reopen

bumpygreens 04-21-2020 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 1731960)
China was a lot tougher on their citizens. No national "shelter in place" order has come from Trump and the Fed Gov as they continue to talk but are directionless. The States have taken the lead on all of this.

You are either new to the United States, or a proponent of the nanny state. The federal government has no such power short of declaring martial law. The states are taking the lead because that is what they are supposed to do. The federal government's role is to provide support where needed, and that is what it's been doing -- even to the point of making up for poor planning and preparedness by some states.

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 12:24 PM

I'm thinking about taking a drive up to Georgia, to get a haircut, maybe a pedicure...and then go bowling. :ohdear:

Vikingjunior 04-21-2020 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 1731960)
China was a lot tougher on their citizens. No national "shelter in place" order has come from Trump and the Fed Gov as they continue to talk but are directionless. The States have taken the lead on all of this.

You do realize China is a communist country run by a single dictator.

America has 50 individual states and the Governor’s are responsible to close and reopen their states as they see fit.

But go ahead blame Trump.

CarolSells 04-21-2020 12:55 PM

“Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. “ Winston Churchill

If you are struggling with the powers of the federal government vs the powers of the individual states you should go back and research the real cause of our Civil War. (Hint: it was not started over the popular, in hindsight cause, wonderful as it was).

Our president and governors are doing their level best to balance out their powers and work together, I MO.

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1750645)
“Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. “ Winston Churchill

If you are struggling with the powers of the federal government vs the powers of the individual states you should go back and research the real cause of our Civil War. (Hint: it was not started over the popular, in hindsight cause, wonderful as it was).

Our president and governors are doing their level best to balance out their poets and work together, I MO.


Actually, the "real" cause WAS by that...which you just allude to.

The overwhelming "State's Right's" that those who seceded were almost wholly interested in...was owning other human beings. :ohdear:

CarolSells 04-21-2020 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1750652)

Actually, the "real" cause WAS by that...which you just allude to.

The overwhelming "State's Right's" that those who seceded were almost wholly interested in...was owning other human beings. :ohdear:

Yes, but my point was that the “argument, if you will,” came down to whether or not the states felt that the Feds had the right to tell them what to do about or handle “that issue”. I think that we’re actually in agreement.
Wash your hands!

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1750674)
Yes, but my point was that the “argument, if you will,” came down to whether or not the states felt that the Feds had the right to tell them what to do about or handle “that issue”. I think that we’re actually in agreement.
Wash your hands!

Of which makes the best point on why a central/federal government is needed.

To this day, there are certain states that have large populations that wouldn't have a problem of going back to slavery...or at the very least 'Jim Crow' laws. :mad:

And thanks for the (I assume, well-intentioned) advice, but my hands, like my conscience...are very clean.
:ho:

JGVillages 04-21-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 1731960)
China was a lot tougher on their citizens. No national "shelter in place" order has come from Trump and the Fed Gov as they continue to talk but are directionless. The States have taken the lead on all of this.

Wrong. They directed the States to take the lead as they should.

BS Beef 04-21-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1750602)
You are either new to the United States, or a proponent of the nanny state. The federal government has no such power short of declaring martial law. The states are taking the lead because that is what they are supposed to do. The federal government's role is to provide support where needed, and that is what it's been doing -- even to the point of making up for poor planning and preparedness by some states.

Well said

:coolsmiley: :agree:

CarolSells 04-21-2020 02:02 PM

.,,

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1750705)
Interesting. What would a central/federal government look like to you? I’m asking because our current president ( not political) has been both accused of both over and under reacting to this crisis. How exactly, or where, would the balance of power fall?

. I don’t wear one myself but you are free to!


Of course it's "political"...which is why I'm not touching it. ;)

As for masks, the reason I wear one when in public...is because of people like you.
:oops:

600th Photo Sq 04-21-2020 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1750622)
I'm thinking about taking a drive up to Georgia, to get a haircut, maybe a pedicure...and then go bowling. :ohdear:

Since your post do you have any idea what you have done ? I predict you may well have caused massive traffic jams. Shame on you ! :shocked:

By the way don't forget your bowling ball.

Carla B 04-21-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1750622)
I'm thinking about taking a drive up to Georgia, to get a haircut, maybe a pedicure...and then go bowling. :ohdear:

On your trip avoid Albany, Ga, the site of one of the first big outbreaks.

CarolSells 04-21-2020 05:07 PM

Blessings
 
...

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1750779)
Okay. I’m sorry that your fear has reduced you to having to lash out at strangers. I sincerely wish you well.

:1rotfl:


No lashing out at all, simply demonstrating the difference between fake bravery...versus intelligence and believing science/facts.

One can only wonder, and we'll never know, how many dead Covid-19 patients would be alive today...if they hadn't tried to show their supposed "bravery." :ohdear:

I sincerely wish you well also. :ho:

justjim 04-21-2020 05:47 PM

Stopped and told to return to Florida
 
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1750622)
I'm thinking about taking a drive up to Georgia, to get a haircut, maybe a pedicure...and then go bowling. :ohdear:

Don’t be surprised when you are stopped at the Georgia border and told to returned to Florida. I too could use a haircut...

Medtrans 04-21-2020 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1750622)
I'm thinking about taking a drive up to Georgia, to get a haircut, maybe a pedicure...and then go bowling. :ohdear:

Don’t forget the tattoo.

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Medtrans (Post 1750792)
Don’t forget the tattoo.

Good point, I didn't even think about that! :thumbup:

Since it would be my first, I wonder where I should put it...and what it should say?

Wait...I got it!

I'll have one put across my toes that reads something like..."I was brave and didn't need no stinking mask.":1rotfl:

That way when I'm laying on the table dead, with a blanket over most of my body, maybe my feet will stick out...and it could be easily read.
:D

Velvet 04-21-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1750796)
Good point, I didn't even think about that! :thumbup:

Since it would be my first, I wonder where I should put it...and what it should say?

Wait...I got it!

I'll have one put across my toes that reads something like..."I was brave and didn't need no stinking mask.":1rotfl:

That way when I'm laying on the table dead, with a blanket over most of my body, maybe my feet will stick out...and it could be easily read.
:D

That’s bad. ;) lol

Michael Charles 04-21-2020 07:44 PM

[QUOTE= I too could use a haircut...QUOTE]

I shaved my head 3 weeks ago. I figured that by the time this is in our rearview mirror, my hair will be looking very stylish.

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1750817)
That’s bad. ;) lol

:angel:

skarra 04-21-2020 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 1731960)
China was a lot tougher on their citizens. No national "shelter in place" order has come from Trump and the Fed Gov as they continue to talk but are directionless. The States have taken the lead on all of this.

I too find it frustrating to see the level of incompetence with the current Federal government. If the Cheerleader in Chief is clueless and ineffective, then it's time to fire him and get someone in place that does know how to fully mobilize the country to get the job done.

That means getting the PPE supplies made that he/she has the powers to order, and effectively communicating a strategy that everyone can understand and is on board with. All the people want is honesty and a sound strategy - not positioning oneself for the next election. Flip-flopping every few days does not inspire anyone with confidence, which is why we are in the place we are in today. The governors are mostly doing a good job - thank goodness we have some government working in a bi-partisan fashion.

United we stand, Divided we fall - today we are divided more than we have ever been. The Orange one needs to take responsibility for that. At the very least it's the divisiveness that we now have which ultimately is going to cost us thousands if not tens of thousands of more lives than otherwise would have been the case.

ColdNoMore 04-21-2020 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1750841)
I too find it frustrating to see the level of incompetence with the current Federal government. If the Cheerleader in Chief is clueless and ineffective, then it's time to fire him and get someone in place that does know how to fully mobilize the country to get the job done.

That means getting the PPE supplies made that he/she has the powers to order, and effectively communicating a strategy that everyone can understand and is on board with. All the people want is honesty and a sound strategy - not positioning oneself for the next election. Flip-flopping every few days does not inspire anyone with confidence, which is why we are in the place we are in today. The governors are mostly doing a good job - thank goodness we have some government working in a bi-partisan fashion.

United we stand, Divided we fall - today we are divided more than we have ever been. The Orange one needs to take responsibility for that. At the very least it's the divisiveness that we now have which ultimately is going to cost us thousands if not tens of thousands of more lives than otherwise would have been the case.

/\/\

NotGolfer 04-21-2020 09:44 PM

I just read a very long commentary written by an ER doctor from a hospital in the state I moved here from. He does contend that Covid-19 is a bad deal. BUT he thinks it was here much sooner than reported just from what he saw in his ER and talking with colleagues all over, who said the same. People coming in with bad symptoms, tests were taken---zippo results with flu test, but still very sick. He thinks this was around in Oct.and Nov.---remember back folks, when people were getting sick and asking on social media?? I do! They would say they had a bad cough and all the flu-like symptoms and it was hanging on for weeks. THEN the dirt hit the fan in January and then the media took it up and fanned this up and it's still going on and on today. I'm not trying to down-play this thing by any means. We do need to take measures about trying to remain well. This doctor also said that "regular patients"---you know the ones with heart issues, stroke, cancer etc. may not be seen. They don't want to "bother" anyone because of all those sick Corona patients---all the while they also need to be seen. He feels healthy people should get back to work, the elderly and ones who have other health issues remain at home as much as possible. The economy is going to tank if the businesses don't get back, THEN what will this country do?? We'll have plenty to complain about then. I'm sure there's former economists on here that could give some insights to what that means. I'm not a numbers person but my parents talked a lot about the Great Depression and I don't think this culture would fare well with another one. Dr. Fauci was telling people back at the end of Feb. (it's documented) that people should keep doing what they're doing---shopping, going to the movies, the gym etc. People keep referring to him as an expert.

I also saw a news article today, that major hospitals are laying off and furloughing their doctors, nurses and support staff because the hospital beds aren't filling up. See the sentences before this about "regular patients". Pointing fingers and blaming won't make things better. I'm sick to death of how divided this country has become. Talk about politicizing....are we any better when we blame this, that and the other?????? We're all experiencing this ordeal in our own ways. Instead of blaming perhaps we should pull together and encourage one another and support one another. Good grief people!!! I don't know what everyone did before they moved here or what their circumstances were---but wouldn't the world be a better place if we'd just stop?? One thing might be to stop the incessant 24/7 "news" watching. Maybe think of things you enjoyed at one time and put off doing....for me it might be reading that series (books) that I never got around to. I don't know....we'll never solve the issues of the world on social media, except to get everyone's dander up.


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