Wife is really spooked over COVID-19
 

In my group of friends it seems that the wives are much more spooked then the husbands are.

Agree/Disagree?

If true, Why?

(I would need to be a psychologist to explain it.)

All of our family is medical background. We do not have the luxury of being afraid. Most of the couples we know are cautious, but none are what you are describing.

My wife and I really aren't concerned about the virus. We are concerned that we have some trips scheduled in the summer and hope they aren't cancelled. My biggest fear is getting in situation like those on cruises and flights who have been put in mandatory quarantine. That would be worse than the virus.

Roll the dice make a commitment either you go or you do not. Is your health more important or the trip.

Tell your wife not to worry. More men die from virus than women!

More afraid
 

Well, the old saying is current again, especially in TV: "If this doesn't kill me, something else will." I suspect half of us living here are already being treated for one ugly disease or another.

Wives spooked
 

I may not agree to "spooked", but I am sure the wives are far more concerned because they are the ones dealing with most of the fall-out. And, even with my medical background, I am scared. Not so much the virus, but the thought of starving to death is not making me happy. I don't know about the rest of you, but being unable to get the basics, ie, bread, milk, eggs, meat, frozen foods, pet food and now even "comfort" foods is really beginning to scare me. My spouse and I are unable to physically shop the stores and rely on online shopping and pick-up. That being completely disabled at this point, we are at a loss. Stocked for now, but what about a week or two from now? And I am sure many of these women are facing these same concerns. The men don't always get involved in this aspect of daily life. And the thought of relying on your neighbors is well & good, but with the purchase limits, how do they get theirs and mine also? Someone needs to come up with an answer to the food supply.

If you have been treated for a serious disease in the past there is a large chance your immune systems was compromised. This puts you in the highest of risk groups. I have isolated more than a week ago since I fall into that group. Seen facebook picture of a group of my friends partying the other night two of which are going through chemo right now.

How about a large percentage of seniors are type 2 diabetics. If you are type 2 diabetic you are immune compromised.

Because they are smarter then we are.

Really??? Didn't know that. Must have missed that day in medical school, and internship, and residency, and in 35 years of practice.
Actually, if you are interested, I can give you a list of immunocompromised states. You won't find type 2 diabetes on it.

From the linked article..."women are more likely than men and boys to make connections between bad events in the past and possible negative events in the future, which could also increase anxiety about what lies ahead"

Also, according to a recent Forbes article, "Based on data and analysis released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, a recent New York Times article suggests that men may be more at risk than women: although men and women have been infected in roughly equal numbers, the death rate among men was 2.8%, compared with 1.7% among women."

Why Do Women Worry So Much? | Live Science

At our house, neither of us are in a panic. We live today and don't focus on the future. You could be hit be a vehicle at the postal station or keel over from ?? (fill in the blank). IF you're in need of items reach out to friends and neighbors to pick them up for you. We don't focus on the 24/7 "news"---none of it as all it is is panic info. More people have died from the regular flu this year than from this. I too am immuno-suppressed but I'm cautious, wash my hands and leave the rest to my Creator.

I think your textbook needs an update. Used to be Type 1 was known for compromised immune systems. But in the last ten years studies are also showing Type 2 compromise also. I just completed a 4 session course here in TV by a PA whose entire career was diabetes related field. That's what they are teaching now. In my case it's immaterial since I am immune compromised from other ailments. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.

The lesson went something like
"Type 2 diabetes is now a worldwide epidemic, strongly correlated with an elevated incidence of obesity. Obesity-associated adipose tissue inflammation is a major cause of the decreased insulin sensitivity seen in type 2 diabetes. Recent studies have shed light on the crosstalk between the immune system and organismal metabolism"

I don't pretend to understand it.

You really want to debate this with me???? Really????
Oh, right, YOU completed a whole 4 session, right, a FOUR session course Taught by a PA.

I bow to your superior expertise. I only taught this to medical students and residents for 30 years. I don't know why I'm even bothering to type this, other than to say you should refrain from using terminology that you don't understand

But here's another point. You posted, to thousands of Villagers that have type 2 DM, that they are (erroneously) immunocompromised and at even higher risk of death. Was there a purpose to that? If so, what was it?

PS---just saw you edit and I agree, you DON"T understand it

Actually, I'm not clear on that statement either. It seems to be referring to downregulation of insulin receptors at the cellular level of target tissues, but I have no idea what the term "organismal metabolism" even means

Maybe this might help?

COVID-19 Community Questions Part 1 - YouTube

Exactly, especially your reference to the news as "panic information". I have not changed any of my daily habits, other than washing my hands more often. Should I get the virus and pass away, so be it. However, I have no underlying health conditions.

Dennis, I was browsing the internet yesterday and eventually found an article with graphs that showed woman were much more concerned. There was a lot of other similar analysis as well. It wasn’t what I was looking for so I didn’t spend time on it. Think I googled +60 Or M/F CV mortality rates.

IMO: It's because the women are the caregivers in the family and the men never listen to them about taking better care of themselves.

There is no agree/disagree answer on any given day. I would say that these wonderful wives love their husbands so much that they are worried about keeping you as well as themselves safe. More men are dying than women from COVID-19. Appreciate your wives and God bless them all for their TLC. ♥️😷

Has everyone lost their minds? How long can we hole ourselves up? Be cautious, wash your hands. If you are at increased risk, take more precautions. Being irrational is meaningless. If things are closed down for two weeks, I think we can venture back to normal. There will always be someone who is ill. Specific isolation for people is the better way to go.

I am spooked by the way people are reacting. Have all the other virus's and disease's that have killed us in the past suddenly disappeared? The roundabouts on the other hand have been become safer in the past week. You should be cautious all the time not just now, but to be spooked could just be your inner self telling you to pay attention. Its an awakening, we have strayed to far left as a society and this is your one warning to right the ship. Those who pay attention will be Blessed. The rest of you are on your own. Listen to the voice in you, not the one on the news.

the answer to the OP is simple....go back and reread "Woman are from Venus, Men are from Mars"

Women express their feelings more openly than men...they talk face to face (in volumes)...guys speak shoulder to shoulder and in sound bites

both genders are concerned...we just express ourselves differently

"Recent research suggests that type 2 diabetes may actually be an autoimmune disease. If that’s the case, new treatments and preventive measures may be developed to treat this condition."


Is Type 2 Diabetes an Autoimmune Disease? What the Research Says

My theory. Everybody knows that some day they will die. Most don't dwell on it because it's depressing. But that knowledge is there, lurking in the shadows. But what many people have not faced is the fact that they can be killed. It takes an event like this, or some sudden exposure to sudden violent death before that realization happens. And the media's constant reporting of infections and fatalities stokes those fears.

Also, emotion will always defeat reason. I have acid reflux. When it flares up, the symptoms mimic a heart attack. My mind knows this but my body is screaming that I'm dying. Same with the virus. No matter how logical the argument, showing hospitals full of patients and reporting of climbing deaths will override it.

And why are wives more susceptible? At the risk of sounding sexist, I believe that it's because they are more emotional. If not, many of us men would still be single.

And that’s probably why. The women are taking it more seriously.

AND we haven't cooked this much in a looooong time!

Generally, people that are scared make bad decisions, in other words, acting on an issue out of fear can cloud your thinking.

And these are nerve-wracking times for anyone with PTSD (male or female.) We worry about everything all the time anyway so our anxiety levels are high enough for everybody.
My day to day life hasn't changed at all. I could go days w/o leaving the house even before all this. I shop on line as much as possible. Hate grocery shopping, traffic, roundabouts, etc. It's all stress inducing. Even my VA appointments are now over the phone. Staying home? No problem! It won't kill you to shelter/isolate in place. LOL
Stay home, stay safe, stay healthy. Peace.

Men are TWICE as likely to die from Covid-19 as women
 

This is uncharted territory so everyone is unsure how to proceed. But we are all different and so, so are our responses to this emergency.
I think men are taking this less seriously. Point in fact, two days ago I was on the golf cart path by the Chula Vista golf course and saw 15 men gathered together in a space of approximately 5 x 5 feet. I thought, if their wives saw this, they would all be dead before the virus got them.
Everyone's response to this is valid. Even those who are panicked. If people were responsible as to their ' social distancing' I think we would all feel better. And calmer.
Health and Happiness to all, Beth

Ohiobuckeye
 

I agree, I guess it might be the generation we were born in & never had a disaster like this or most of us. Most of us never lived through the depression. The worst that we probably ever lived in is one of the Flu epidemic's. We all know that when we get the Flu we either vomit or get diarrhea. My wife doesn't even want me to get closer than 6 ft. from any of our family members. I guess the ladies are just more protective than us guys are. It'll soon be over, just hang in there & let the wife continue to worry! Nothing us guys can do about it. Just don't get it yourself & do what they're telling you to do, stay in the house & do our part. Stay healthy, it'll be over soon, I hope!

Inexes, the stores have most things now except paper products. I would hope those will be on the shelves in the next week or two. I really hope I haven't moved to an area where so many people can sustain their panic for that long. If so, the Villages needs to change its slogan. If you need help, message me and I'll be glad to help.

That takes testing. Lots of testing. Something we missed the boat on and something South Korea has reportedly done admirably well with success.

In my experience, that is certainly true. Not just about this virus, but life in general. Look at the postings about speeders in TV and almost all of the complainers are women.

Why? Because the women in question are smarter than their men.

this female isnt afraid, & while i'm taking the steps asked to restrict the virus, it won't be the end of the world if i get it. i've survived a LOT worse than this. is prob best not to loose ur head & panic needlessly. i think the confinement is giving some people more time to worry about what may/may not happen.

Yep. Sorry, Doc. You are wrong.

Any types of Asthma and Diabetes are higher risk
“ Based upon available information to date, those at high-risk for severe illness from COVID-19 include:

People aged 65 years and older
People who live in a nursing home or long-term care facility
Other high-risk conditions could include:
People with chronic lung disease or moderate to severe asthma
People who have serious heart conditions
People who are immunocompromised including cancer treatment
People of any age with severe obesity (body mass index [BMI] >40) or certain underlying medical conditions, particularly if not well controlled, such as those with DIABETES, renal failure, or liver disease might also be at risk
People who are pregnant should be monitored since they are known to be at risk with severe viral illness, however, to date data on COVID-19 has not shown increased risk
Many conditions can cause a person to be immunocompromised, including cancer treatment, bone marrow or organ transplantation, immune deficiencies, poorly controlled HIV or AIDS, and prolonged use of corticosteroids and other immune weakening medications”


Source: CDC.gov

People who are at higher risk for severe illness | CDC

No, I AM NOT WRONG

There is a huge difference between being at increased risk and being immunocompromised. For MOM, there is a difference between an autoimmune disease and being immunocompromised. The problem is a lack of understanding the vocabulary and the terminology, it's not your fault, you're not expected to know. When you read something online, it can be confusing.

I don't really want to nitpick or debate with laypeople, my objection is using the forum to post something that will needlessly frighten a lot of people.

If only your demise would be guaranteed to be that simple and quick but this disease does not usually cause an instant death. If you are stricken you may suffer a lot before you die and so will anyone who cared about you.

Are you justified in your denial because you are not in a ANY higher risk group? That’s doubtful since you chose to live in an entire community who are almost all at higher risk.

I think the officials probably should have made the higher risk folks of all ages—myself included—stay in lockdown rather than forcing those who could have been productive into isolation too. They would be gaining “herd immunity” the hard way, no vaccine needed. The problem is that some of them would not have survived and many, like you, would not have heeded selective isolation.

And we vote, the young don’t.

Golfing Eagles:
I respect that you are A DOCTOR; however, the CDC was the source, not a lowly “layperson” like me. I defer to their collectively knowledgeable guidance.

Fear is based in a lack of knowledge. If you are afraid, gain some power through knowledge. Since you are not God, you are not expected to know everything.

:popcorn: