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Kenswing 03-26-2020 06:01 PM

The U.S. Now Has The Most Cases.
 
Just in case you didn't think we had a problem.. We just passed Italy and China in confirmed cases.

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

DianeM 03-26-2020 06:02 PM

All the more reason to stay home.

dewilson58 03-26-2020 06:50 PM

NY ignored the issue too long and now they are "paying for it."

The NY area is over 1/2 of the USA cases and they are 10 times the next state.

dewilson58 03-26-2020 06:53 PM

& over 90% of China has recovered already.

Taltarzac725 03-26-2020 06:56 PM

We do have a huge number of medical professionals to deal with this crisis. We should help them out by social distancing as much as possible so we do not get them sick as well. They do have to do grocery shopping, walk their dogs and like just like non medically trained people.

One of my dog park friends works in one of the hospitals near the Villages Regional Hospital.

Paper1 03-26-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1734184)
Just in case you didn't think we had a problem.. We just passed Italy and China in confirmed cases.

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

The sad part of this for me is PPE should be readily available for all of us but it seems the mighty USA can't even get masks to their hospitals. Early on a number of "experts" said wearing an N95 mask would not help curb transmission of the virus, bull!!!!. It is costing thousands of dollars to treat a single person with this virus while these masks, gloves, and hand sanitizer cost almost nothing. Everyone going into a grocery store or working in a store should be wearing at least a N95 mask and gloves but none are available. I know we Americans think we are a lot more intelligent than the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese but I can't help notice they are all wearing masks and gloves. But cheer up the stock market rallied today with record unemployment claims and there are a million checks going out to everyone who can vote, maybe we can attach a couple rubber bands on them and use them for a mask. Thank you for letting me vent.

dewilson58 03-26-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1734203)
Early on a number of "experts" said wearing an N95 mask would not help curb transmission of the virus, bull!!!!.




Obviously they were not experts.

I never heard wear to prevent.
I always hear, DON'T!!

Bucco 03-26-2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1734197)
NY ignored the issue too long and now they are "paying for it."

The NY area is over 1/2 of the USA cases and they are 10 times the next state.

We had dramatically more warning, more time, and better health care infrastructure than China. Our total failure to get this under control despite that is a matter of great concern.

Bucco 03-26-2020 07:29 PM

Actually, Both SOuth Korea and USA got their first cases on *exactly* the same day

South Korea mobilized with testing, manufacturing of supplies and a national effort

US ???

GoodLife 03-26-2020 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1734197)
NY ignored the issue too long and now they are "paying for it."

The NY area is over 1/2 of the USA cases and they are 10 times the next state.

3 weeks ago Mayor Deblasio was urging New Yorkers to go out on the town.

DianeM 03-26-2020 08:01 PM

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DianeM 03-26-2020 08:06 PM

Thankfully none but leadership quotes what info they have on a given day.

npwalters 03-26-2020 08:24 PM

Actually the report is that the US has the most REPORTED cases. It is highly likely that China (for instance) had many unreported cases. The US has been aggressive in testing for COVID19 and that drove the number up. Good information to have but it should not be used purely as a measure of our response - or lack of.

The statistics would be more useful and meaningful if the number of cases was reported as a percentage of the population.

GoodLife 03-26-2020 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1734184)
Just in case you didn't think we had a problem.. We just passed Italy and China in confirmed cases.

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Believing anything China says is dangerous for your health,

Nucky 03-26-2020 08:40 PM

RUN, LIE, DENY. It's time for all the N.Y. Officials to take cover, point fingers and accuse others and perform magic by letting X amount of New Yorkers escape so the have less people to treat. It's really not time to get down on any of these fools. Less people for them to treat while they let their own citizens infect people all over the country. News Conferences to cry about Equipment they could have bought and didn't while people who are possibly infected leaked outta town

The time is now to get the supplies, the Medical Ship and the proper equipment in the proper place. Did you see the pictures on all news channels tonight where they cruised thru the Subway and Central Park? Pictures of Time Square empty. Unbelievable. God Help The Citizens and Healthcare people all over our country but for now especially where they have been failed by the local people they hired. The Facts have been said already. Go out and eat don't worry, IDIOT!

Enter the Spin Doctors.

Northwoods 03-26-2020 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1734197)
NY ignored the issue too long and now they are "paying for it."

The NY area is over 1/2 of the USA cases and they are 10 times the next state.

And they're all flying down here to escape the quarantine (and to enjoy the warm weather and cheap airline fares). Entitled. Not following orders. How can this end well?

Topspinmo 03-26-2020 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1734199)
& over 90% of China has recovered already.

Who says? China? I would believe anything that comes out of that government’s mouth.

Topspinmo 03-26-2020 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1734203)
The sad part of this for me is PPE should be readily available for all of us but it seems the mighty USA can't even get masks to their hospitals. Early on a number of "experts" said wearing an N95 mask would not help curb transmission of the virus, bull!!!!. It is costing thousands of dollars to treat a single person with this virus while these masks, gloves, and hand sanitizer cost almost nothing. Everyone going into a grocery store or working in a store should be wearing at least a N95 mask and gloves but none are available. I know we Americans think we are a lot more intelligent than the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese but I can't help notice they are all wearing masks and gloves. But cheer up the stock market rallied today with record unemployment claims and there are a million checks going out to everyone who can vote, maybe we can attach a couple rubber bands on them and use them for a mask. Thank you for letting me vent.

Well should be deleted due to political over tone.

Can’t get toilet paper either, where do you think majority are made? CHINA, what happens when there run of on anything? It becomes very, very, VERY hard to get. Takes time for company to quadruple production of anything in crisis.

Topspinmo 03-26-2020 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1734184)
Just in case you didn't think we had a problem.. We just passed Italy and China in confirmed cases.

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Majority of us watch the news also.
I wouldn’t trust anything Chinese government says.

jswirs 03-27-2020 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1734184)
Just in case you didn't think we had a problem.. We just passed Italy and China in confirmed cases.

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Hmmm, yes, I think the "grim statistics" state that 1,000 people in the U.S. are now deceased from the covid 19 virus. So 79,000 more people would have to die from the current virus to match the amount of people that died from influenza just 2 years ago.

blueash 03-27-2020 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1734236)
Actually the report is that the US has the most REPORTED cases. It is highly likely that China (for instance) had many unreported cases. The US has been aggressive in testing for COVID19 and that drove the number up. Good information to have but it should not be used purely as a measure of our response - or lack of.

I am not sure of your definition of aggressively testing. IMO the US is still actively avoiding aggressively testing and has in place a policy of very selectively testing only the most ill patients. And even with that policy there are still shortages of test kits, testing sites. In Italy they are doing mass testing of everyone in some regions. Not just the symptomatic but those who have absolutely no symptoms. That defines aggressive testing. South Korea had walk in testing for everyone, no doctor's order. That is aggressive testing.
Here, you need a doctor's order to have private testing done. The doctor must collect the sample unless you happen to have a mobile lab set up for a few days in your polo field. Most doctors are NOT collecting samples.
But the point is, the US is among the most restrictive in testing both because of the way our health care system is organized, the still great shortage of testing kits and sites. Do you really believe that if today you developed a sore throat and mild runny nose that there is anyplace you could get a Covid test easily done?
If there is anything about testing rates in the US, it is how unaggressive or unprepared we have been so far. I have a distant relative in rural Ohio, in bed with 102 fever and respiratory symptoms. She has been told she does not need testing. No test for her. There have been no reported cases in her rural county. Do you see why?
Are other countries less prepared than the US, certainly. Are other countries struggling with lack of testing, certainly. Are countries fudging their numbers.. I don't know.

Things are improving as to test kits and in terms of people and leaders taking this much more seriously than they did 2 weeks ago. Both of those attitude adjustments will help. But we have certainly not changed the approach from very selective testing to anything aggressive. When you get that phone call from someone you ate with last week who now has cold symptoms and you ask, "Did you get a Covid test?", you know that it is very likely the answer will be "I called my doctor and I don't qualify." So now you're in the dark about that potential exposure. Then it won't seem like we're aggressively testing anymore.

blueash 03-27-2020 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1734216)
3 weeks ago Mayor Deblasio was urging New Yorkers to go out on the town.

Absolutely accurate. It was Gov Cuomo who shut down Broadway, and the St Patricks Day parade when De Blasio didn't. The Governor gets high marks for acting to flatten the curve. De Blasio failed to act until NYC was in trouble.

Lindsyburnsy 03-27-2020 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1734216)
3 weeks ago Mayor Deblasio was urging New Yorkers to go out on the town.

Florida’s Governor still hasn’t ordered everyone to stay home except groceries or prescriptions. Does he intentionally want Florida residents to get sick?

Why so many non symptom testing available in TV but none available for other states? Just keeping voters intact?

CharlesNT 03-27-2020 06:00 AM

Exactly, not to mention from the start the Chinese have lied about and distorted the severity of the problem they had.

A comparison to tests vs population, percentage of tests that were done that came back positive, and positive tests vs deaths are far better indicators of the severity of the problem.

In yesterday’s press conference they said only 15% of the tests come back positive.

dewilson58 03-27-2020 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1734262)
Who says? China? I would believe anything that comes out of that government’s mouth.




Jus reporting data from John Hopkins.

TNLAKEPANDA 03-27-2020 06:09 AM

Don’t be fooled!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1734184)
Just in case you didn't think we had a problem.. We just passed Italy and China in confirmed cases.

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

You can not trust any information from China. No one really knows what is going on there!

Leadbone1 03-27-2020 06:13 AM

At this time it is more of a New York problem than it is a U. S. problem. And the reason why we’re showing more cases is because we have tested more than anyone or any country despite what you may hear...

Leadbone1 03-27-2020 06:15 AM

We have done significantly more testing than South Korea did!

jacksonbrown 03-27-2020 06:15 AM

"The US has been aggressive in testing for COVID19 and that drove the number up. "

Exactly!

And, I see no mention of the number of those suffering from seasonal flu.

kenoc7 03-27-2020 06:33 AM

Believing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1734237)
Believing anything China says is dangerous for your health,

Believing anything that is said in the Coronavirus task force news conferences except by the doctors is extremely dangerous for your health.

kenoc7 03-27-2020 06:35 AM

Testing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1734329)
We have done significantly more testing than South Korea did!

Significantly less in terms of population - South Korea's population is 1/6th of the USA.

xNYer 03-27-2020 06:41 AM

Deaths
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1734291)
Hmmm, yes, I think the "grim statistics" state that 1,000 people in the U.S. are now deceased from the covid 19 virus. So 79,000 more people would have to die from the current virus to match the amount of people that died from influenza just 2 years ago.

The CDC estimates 34200 deaths from the flu in the 2018-2019 season.

Bucco 03-27-2020 06:55 AM

I realize the "national" message is to attack those in New York. Have you checked out Mass ? You have your head in the sand concentrating on New York.

The National message was almost exactly the same as New York's at exactly the same time.

Our leaders are National......again, as much as I can....let's stop laying blame. This is a National crisis, not one in which we look to the mayor of New York for leadership.

If these diversions help you fine, but your "aim" is way way off.

BarbC2016 03-27-2020 07:13 AM

Whrere' the context?
 
It always bothers me how people use numbers. Having worked with stats and risk analysis for many years when I hear numbers out of context it really bothers me. There are two numbers here that are important. Percent of total population and profile of people who died. Yes, we have surpassed Italy in the total number of cases, but Italy has ~ 61 million people, we have as of the end of January almost 330 million people. So to effectively match Italy's death rate we would have 5 X the number of deaths. Also, it is known that the disproportionate number of deaths is in people over 80 with three or more underlying conditions, followed by people over 65, also with one or more underlying conditions. A risk based analysis says - target the "hot spots" and prioritize your approach with the resources you have available. What is going on now tells me that the available, or soon to be available resources, need to be sent to the critical areas as quickly as possible (as is the current plan), the guidelines for slowing the spread need to be followed and you and I must assess our personal risk and do what we need to do to be safe. It also says we should not cripple our children's future by destroying jobs and panicking the entire population. It is interesting to note that the target population in the 1918 flu were young people. It has been suspected that older people had had a weaker version of the flu at some point previously and developed an immunity, which is why they were not so heavily affected. Stay safe.

forebubba 03-27-2020 07:14 AM

Just a month ago we were told the cases would go to zero and people believed him

skip0358 03-27-2020 07:19 AM

Yea and now we're going to let a Cruise ship with sick people onboard dock here. Why?
We have enough sick people of our own!

jbrown132 03-27-2020 07:33 AM

Masks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1734203)
The sad part of this for me is PPE should be readily available for all of us but it seems the mighty USA can't even get masks to their hospitals. Early on a number of "experts" said wearing an N95 mask would not help curb transmission of the virus, bull!!!!. It is costing thousands of dollars to treat a single person with this virus while these masks, gloves, and hand sanitizer cost almost nothing. Everyone going into a grocery store or working in a store should be wearing at least a N95 mask and gloves but none are available. I know we Americans think we are a lot more intelligent than the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese but I can't help notice they are all wearing masks and gloves. But cheer up the stock market rallied today with record unemployment claims and there are a million checks going out to everyone who can vote, maybe we can attach a couple rubber bands on them and use them for a mask. Thank you for letting me vent.

Maybe the problem is that all those masks, hand sanitizer etc. are made in China

Lindamct 03-27-2020 07:39 AM

We have more test kits! According to the CDC the US is 6th in number of deaths from the corona virus, just over 1,000. According to the United Nations World Population Prospects report, approximately 7,452 people die every day in the United States
Pass facts please not fear.

By the way...
The reports are that the truckers are getting supplies to the stores. People are stocking the shelves all night and letting old people shop first. Carnival Cruise line told Trump “We can match those big Navy Hospital ships with some fully staffed cruise ships” GM said hold our cars and watch this; we can make those ventilators where we were making cars starting next week. Women and children are making homemade masks and handing out snacks to truckers. Restaurants and schools said, We’ve got kitchens and staff; we can feed kids.” Churches are holding on-line services and taking care of their members and community. NBA basketball players said, “Hold our basketballs while we write checks to pay the arena staff.” Construction companies said, “Here are some masks for the medical staff and doctors”. Breweries are making sanitizer out of the left-over ingredients. We thought we couldn’t live without Baseball, NASCAR, NBA or going to the beach, restaurants or a bar. Instead, we’re trying to keep those businesses open by ordering take-out.

What communist China didn't count on was America saying "Hey, hold my beer and watch this."

I think a Japanese Admiral in the middle of the Pacific said it best in 1941, "I think we have awakened a sleeping giant."

Give us a few more weeks (maybe months) and we will be doing much better! And stop listening to the hysterical media!!

Sharing this from another FB friend. We have wonderful country and an amazing God.

God’s got us!🇺🇸🙏🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸

#unitedwestand

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ts12755 03-27-2020 07:41 AM

That's because we test more and our test kits work. We also have the lowest death rate because our health services and treatment is much better than letting people die

merrymini 03-27-2020 07:42 AM

How can you believe anything coming out of China? They lie continuously and then accuse US of spreading the virus to THEM and now have closed their boards so FOREIGNERS do not being the virus into their country? Really? Who knows what the status is there now? We did a good job and if we can improve on that, we should and will.


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