Dr. Birx doesn’t trust CDC numbers, thinks numbers are inflated by 25%
 

“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx reportedly said, according to a report in the Washington Post.

Dr Birx already publicly admitted last month that CDC is telling states to code any death of an individual who tests positive for COVID-19 as a coronavirus death, even if it is not proven that the death was caused by COVID-19

Here's an example:

Colorado man dies from an astounding 0.55% blood alcohol level, State lists him as covid 19 death.

CO man dies from astounding 0.55 blood alcohol level, coronavirus listed as cause of death | Disrn

CDC is obviously broken, as are many federal agencies. I wonder what has happened or is it government as usual. FUBAR.

I personally would like to know more about the financial "benefits" that come with a death being declared virus caused.

Somebody other than the scientist are running the agency...……...

Better tell Dr Birx that, since she was arguing with Dr Redfield, the guy that runs CDC, about the inflated numbers. CDC instructed Doctors to code anyone with a positive covid 19 test as death from the virus (just like the .55 alcohol death in OP), and if they suspected covid 19 without a positive test, code it covid 19.

The numbers would have to have been inflated by 70% or so to keep the US from being the highest death cases in the world. Why stop at only 25%?
(The guy drinking might have been drinking due to anxiety over Covid, which would make it a Covid related death, in my opinion.)

So if I die from reading loony covid posts that would count too?

Yep, and the guy shot for leaving his house without a mask too should be counted as Covid related. Otherwise, he’d still be alive. ;)

And remember what we thought when China “changed their method” of counting deaths (because they were too high)?

I was told hospitals that list covid as cause of death receive $13,000 from Medicare for each death. Good reason to just say covid for everyone even if they had a heart attack. The only exception to the rule is nursing homes who will say everything else but covid. Afraid we will know how many are really dying in them. So when they die of covid the death certificate attributes it to a heart attack. This is the case with my friends mom.

That sounds like the hospitals are rewarded for each Covid patient who dies, and not for the ones they save? That’s a strange way to fund hospitals. Where do they do that?

Just google it....there are many accounts like this one

Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients

Best line of the day...Thank you.:bigbow:

Unfortunately, she has become a "yes" person. Not much respect for her.

Yep. they make money from the government when they say Covid

Another conspiracy theory. There also could be cases that were not reported before they started reporting cases. I trust our scientists before I trust most politicians whose main goal is to be re-elected.

Virus Death Numbers
 

The key words for accurately reporting vivid deaths are WITH and FROM.
Is the death a result of someone dying from or with virus?
A person who has a heart attack and succumbs because of heart failure but was diagnosed as having the virus will be listed as a virus death. Why?
The hospital would receive $13K from the heart attack death but would receive $39K from a virus death
Some states are now distinguishing between the cause of death to get a more accurate count for the reason for death.

Most all of these federal agencies are staffed with career bureaucrats who would be hard pressed to string eight words together to create a cogent sentence. And they're supervised by individuals spending taxpayer money, not their own funds. These allotted funds must be spent before the calendar year draws to a close and, the more "clients" they accrue, the larger the domain that they rule over and the larger the salary. When I was young, federal workers were not allowed to form a union, the pay was less than stellar and the pensions were nothing to brag about. Now, government employees are compensated very well, often better than those in private industry. The majority of private-industry workers have lost their pensions and have been left with self-funded 401k retirement plans, while pensions for retired government workers are the largest financial obligations of government entities at all levels - courtesy of the taxpayers, who often have no pension of their own. And, to top it off, many of these staffers in the myriad federal, state and local governments harbor intense political biases, manifested in behaviors which favor political parties rather than American citizens. With all of these dynamics at play, what could possibly go wrong? :icon_wink:

Fred

Maybe the guy with high blood alcohol levels who was positive was following suggestions and trying to internally sanitize. Contrary to popular opinion there are stupid people out there.

Funny, I don't recall Dr Birx being called unreliable or a mouthpiece when Obama appointed her Global Ambassador for Aids where she directed a 7 billion dollar budget.

Also funny is the fact many here have forgotten Dr. Fauci's words of praise when Dr. Birx joined HIS team.

Dr Birx is a politician? When did that happen?

You're right, there has never been a case of alcohol poisoning in the history of the world before this.

When the words came flying out of her mouth that she was reworking the CDC guidelines for reopening. Now they are all just suggestions.
DeSantis said he wanted to let visitors into long term care facilities. I see that he DID NOT. was this HIS choice or could he NOT overturn the Medicare guidelines?

Dr. Blix also sheepishly said if a person dies in a car accident and has heart problems that is covid related. She said this early on thus I don't believe too much of these numbers or what she has to offer.

She is not a mouthpiece for Trump. My family is from Chicago and it is a known fact that the statistics are inflated. Die from previous lung disease and in hospice then contract Covid19 and death is listed as Covid19 even though the patient was in last stages of dying. Same with a cancer patient. Contract Covid19 in your last stages and you are listed as a Covid19 death. Check on the internet and you can see the complete interview with the head of the Health Agency in Chicago.

According to Snopes there is mixed truth in a $13,000 Medicare payment for COVID related hospitalizations. It appears that a FOX News interview instigated this rumor. If you are interested you can google the report for yourself but here is their conclusion:

“ We therefore rate this claim “Mixture.” While it seems plausible that Medicare disbursements to hospitals treating COVID-19 patients could be in the range given by Jensen in the Fox News interview (if those patients are covered by Medicare), we found no evidence to support Jensen’s assertion that “Medicare has determined” that hospitals will be paid $13,000 for patients with COVID-19 diagnoses or $39,000 for COVID-19 patients place on ventilators.”

Yes, far better to trust numbers from uniformed politicians.

Yep, I will only trust politicians who wear uniforms.

Dr. Redfield should be removed. He had no management experience prior to assuming his position. It shows!

I think people that die "with covid19" are being added in with people that die "from" covid19

This is exactly what Dr Birx was talking about. The CDC instructed Doctors to code all patients who die that have tested positive for covid 19 as death from covid. Even if patient not tested, if they suspect covid 19 then its coded as covid 19 death.

You'd think people would be happy to hear that deaths from covid 19 have been inflated, but no, for some reason they want that death total high and will attack anyone who says different, including the Doctor who runs the Task Force.

Assuming that the deaths are inflated, then what? Are the positive cases, the 1.5 million in the US inflated too?

I believe that private hospitals may be looking after their bottom line. Still it’s a strange way to fund hospitals, in my opinion.

The more involved the CDC becomes in the pandemic, the more it will justify a substantial budget increase. Simple rule...……"Follow the money".

Colorado just lowered their state covid 19 death total by 24%

It's a conspiracy. Dr Birx was off by 1%

Does that mean the hospitals have to give back 24% of the funds they received?

Ohiobuckeye
 

I understand that some people don’t believe Dr. Birx what she says about the CDC. But do I, I don’t know because I don’t work in this field. I’m sure she’s just giving her opinion. So maybe she’s right & maybe she’s not. So we have a right to voice our opinion but just make it an opinion, not a fact. Personally I guess I have to believe what the professionals say, even what the Dem. or Rep. say. This comment is just my opinion.

When we do enough antibody tests that show a lot more people had covid 19 and did not die the death rate will be less than 1%, possibly not much worse than the flu.

May your thoughts be correct!

Can you post a source to confirm this directive from the CDC? I couldn't find any such thing, other than a guidance that says, in part "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is
assumed to have caused or contributed to death." (Emphasis theirs) This is taken from a PDF of the CDC guidance, which I don't know how to link to...

Well, OK. Let's take that one off, for sure. What else?