Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1769935)

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1770033)

How strange, they could have filled 6-10 pages of 1000 each just from deaths in New York nursing homes.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770097)

I will never be able to understand why people try to put a political slant on a situation where almost everyone is peddling as best they can. Why people blame the deaths on this or that, or change the subject into elaborate conspiracies. I do not know why people follow the direction of any politician who is not following the direction of good medical science. I will never be able to understand why people do not see that the repercussions of this novel virus will devastate the economy of the world although I do not believe that it was engineered or planned to do so. I don't want to influence anyone in how they live and the choices they make. I do believe that the demographics of The Villages put a target on our backs. I also believe that almost every single person who lives here not only realizes the effect on business here and everywhere and cares about the business here and everywhere. We all have lived long enough to know what will happen. And I believe most people care deeply about business and the health of their peers.

It is my opinion that many governors, no matter which side of the aisle they sit on have tried to protect lives. I commend both Mike DeWine and Governor Cuomo. Ditto others on both sides of the aisle. They are working on statistics that are incomplete. ALL have made mistakes.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1769935)

Originally Posted by bilcon (Post 1770026)

How do you really know we have the most cases in the world? Do you think China, Russia etc have accurately reported their actual cases? Don't compare our reaction to the Virus with a third world country like Brazil, and don't start with the politics. THE BLAME GAME DOESN'T WORK.
You also have to consider our size compared to many of the other countries- Italy, Spain, France etc.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770097)

I will never be able to understand why people try to put a political slant on a situation where almost everyone is peddling as best they can. Why people blame the deaths on this or that, or change the subject into elaborate conspiracies. I do not know why people follow the direction of any politician who is not following the direction of good medical science. I will never be able to understand why people do not see that the repercussions of this novel virus will devastate the economy of the world although I do not believe that it was engineered or planned to do so. I don't want to influence anyone in how they live and the choices they make. I do believe that the demographics of The Villages put a target on our backs. I also believe that almost every single person who lives here not only realizes the effect on business here and everywhere and cares about the business here and everywhere. We all have lived long enough to know what will happen. And I believe most people care deeply about business AND the health of their peers.

It is my opinion that many governors, no matter which side of the aisle they sit on have tried to protect lives. I commend both Mike DeWine and Governor Cuomo. Ditto others on both sides of the aisle. They are working with statistics that are incomplete. ALL have made mistakes.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1770126)

We must recognize the mistakes made by the slow walking this horrible virus. It’s not blame, it’s preparation for the next time.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1770108)

I haven’t heard any medical advice from any politician who does not have sound medical science from the best professionals out there. Would you please share with us who this would be?

Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 1770141)

Some say one may be the Governor of NY ( and NJ) who placed the elderly stricken in Nursing Homes Where They died instead of the Naval ship COMFORT and the JAVITS Center. These Fully staffed and equipped hospitals were originally set up to care for non COVID patients so the local hospitals could be utilized for Covid patients. Later both Governors requested and received permission to use both facilities for Covid patients however both facilities were hardly utilized to the amazement of many. JAVITS Was closed down and the COMFORT returned to its home base. The cost of this

Perhaps not well known outside of New York and New Jersey is the fact that a huge number of these nursing homes are owned by the Jewish ultra orthodox who are huge supporters of the current governor of New York as they were for his father The former governor. I have not read the New York Times article and I would be very surprised if they connected these dots. This cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars and there is still no answer as to why the two governors failed to utilize these facilities

My comments should not be deemed political but merely a reflection of the facts as they exist.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1770131)

The very nature of the NYT article is political, a dramatic list of 1000 dead filling a page. Everybody knows the death totals, everyone knows the score. We also know that New York had a law that forced nursing homes to take covid 19 positives which resulted in 1000s of deaths. It's political why they did not choose to print that list.

PS The NYT made it to the 6th name on the list before they posted a fake covid 19 death. That guy was murdered, but since he tested positive they counted it as a covid 19 death. I think they have since editied his name from the list.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770178)

The list to me shows that many real people died recently as a result of this novel virus. It shows that most of them were older. It shows that they were alive in March. It casts no blame, and makes no claims. It gives their age, and a couple of words about them.

Real people died. I hope soon someone figures out something to protect more vulnerable people from dying. I really hope that happens. Then we can see if people choose to use the tools are not. People never cease to amaze me.

I used the names of two governors who represented both parties. I certainly do not agree with their politics at all times. I think that every single human was and is flying by the seat of their pants when it comes to this very real danger. I am a registered Republican. I have loved friends and family member who are registered Democrats. We cannot vilify or deify people based on how they vote. There are some mighty dumb people on both sides of the aisle.

Day before yesterday, a friend in Ohio who was 81 died of Covid-19. Today his wife has it. They are/were registered Republicans. But how they voted is not what people are thinking and feeling right now who know that family.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1770138)

Good point but how is China to be harnessed to provide actual facts vs the information they provided to the world? I know the USA and other countries of the world would have reached out readily to provide any assistance to contain this virus promptly. Unfortunately, China, refused any scientific assistance the USA wanted to provide.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1770191)

U.S. intelligence was acquiring data and other information about Covid 19 and its possible pandemic effect in early January. Both China and the US were attempting to down play the seriousness of the virus, but the medical and scientific folks on both sides of the pond would not be silent. This is a global problem not a them versus us.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1770108)

I haven’t heard any medical advice from any politician who does not have sound medical science from the best professionals out there. Would you please share with us who this would be?

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1770191)

U.S. intelligence was acquiring data and other information about Covid 19 and its possible pandemic effect in early January. Both China and the US were attempting to down play the seriousness of the virus, but the medical and scientific folks on both sides of the pond would not be silent. This is a global problem not a them versus us.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770215)

Perhaps I should have said that I think people who are in government office and who are making decisions should seek and follow medical advice from the people who are qualified to give medical advice on the subject of communicable diseases and have a solid curriculum vitae in that area.

I also wish that people would not deify or vilify medical experts who are trying to stay abreast of statistics and lack of them.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1770212)

I'll take rewriting history for $1000 Alex

On January 21st Dr Fauci said “Americans Don't Need To Worry About Coronavirus:


Dr. Fauci said on February 8th: 'Danger of getting coronavirus now is just minusculely low': There is no reason to wear a mask

Dr. Anthony Fauci on February 29th tells the Today Show that there is NO NEED for the public to change their behavior over concern for Coronavirus:

On March 9th, Dr. Anthony Fauci recommends taking a cruise, tells Forbes Magazine that if you’re healthy, cruise ships are safe:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1770278)

IMHO I sense that the Publisher and the Editors of the NYT have completely lost their compass and have morphed into a "Jingo Press"

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1770160)

Really.....

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1770268)

I just couldn’t read it after the first few names... just too painful.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770272)

On those dates, almost everyone was in the dark. That was when they were putting bodies on the street in Italy. Some blame China for not sharing accurate information. I think that after a year or two years when we can get statistics we can trust about the rate of infection and death, the risk of contagion and the attributes of the virus itself to cause illness, we will all be able to expound on the answers. I am very glad I wasn't in the hot seat. I have heard many, many, outrageous and ridiculous things by those in charge and those in the cheap seats. I cannot tell you how many of my friends said to take an elderberry substance and have more faith in the Lord. Who knows, they may be right.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1770290)

Daily Double bells ring

Jan 20 China finally tells world virus is infectious person to person spread

Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 1770284)

Yes REALLY. The ultra Orthodox were also responsible for the spread of measles last year in Rockland and Orange Counties in NY. They refuse to be vaccinated and the cases were traced specifically to their segregated (Whites, Blacks, Hispanic etc. Christians prohibited) enclaves. Rockland County fought heroically against a non interested Governor. These are the FACTS...Read up on Kyriad Joel and New Square if you dare. The NY Times accused Rocklanders of being Anti Semitic for pointing this out even though we are the smallest a County in NYS we had the largest population of measles infections in the whole of the United States. A COVED Vaccine will mean nothing to these People-since take will not take it.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1770300)

And yet it took till March to inform the American public. SAD.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1770300)

And yet it took till March to inform the American public. SAD.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1770316)

Wrong. Where and what were people doing that they didn’t hear about this until March? We had a discussion with a RN in early February regarding covid. Why was travel from China halted in January? I realize it works to some individuals advantage to be obtuse to the news but it was out there. We must move in some very intellectual circles because people were discussing how this virus would impact the stock market already in January.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770381)

Sometime the week of March 12th is when air travel was stopped between here and the European continent. Our daughter had flown back to London on the ninth of March and I was very worried about her catching it on the plane.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1770316)

Wrong. Where and what were people doing that they didn’t hear about this until March? We had a discussion with a RN in early February regarding covid. Why was travel from China halted in January? I realize it works to some individuals advantage to be obtuse to the news but it was out there. We must move in some very intellectual circles because people were discussing how this virus would impact the stock market already in January.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1770281)

And? Given these times I don’t see the problem.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1770315)

Double Jeopardy begins, all prizes are doubled

human to human transmission confirmed by china - bing search

40,100,000 results

human to human transmission confirmed by china - Bing

Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 1770141)

Some say one may be the Governor of NY ( and NJ) who placed the elderly stricken in Nursing Homes Where They died instead of the Naval ship COMFORT and the JAVITS Center. These Fully staffed and equipped hospitals were originally set up to care for non COVID patients so the local hospitals could be utilized for Covid patients. Later both Governors requested and received permission to use both facilities for Covid patients however both facilities were hardly utilized to the amazement of many. JAVITS Was closed down and the COMFORT returned to its home base. The cost of this

Perhaps not well known outside of New York and New Jersey is the fact that a huge number of these nursing homes are owned by the Jewish ultra orthodox who are huge supporters of the current governor of New York as they were for his father The former governor. I have not read the New York Times article and I would be very surprised if they connected these dots. This cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars and there is still no answer as to why the two governors failed to utilize these facilities

My comments should not be deemed political but merely a reflection of the facts as they exist.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1770430)

Your correct, but my point is that until late in March, the virus would be a nothing burger, only 15 cases that would go from a dozen cases to zero real soon, then it became common news that it was a very serious problem. Denial in January and February caused us to lose thousands of lives. I’m not placing blame, but pleading for us to be honest and transparent so we don’t miss the signals next tine. PLEASE!

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1770097)

I will never be able to understand why people try to put a political slant on a situation where almost everyone is peddling as best they can. Why people blame the deaths on this or that, or change the subject into elaborate conspiracies. I do not know why people follow the direction of any politician who is not following the direction of good medical science. I will never be able to understand why people do not see that the repercussions of this novel virus will devastate the economy of the world although I do not believe that it was engineered or planned to do so. I don't want to influence anyone in how they live and the choices they make. I do believe that the demographics of The Villages put a target on our backs. I also believe that almost every single person who lives here not only realizes the effect on business here and everywhere and cares about the business here and everywhere. We all have lived long enough to know what will happen. And I believe most people care deeply about business AND the health of their peers.

It is my opinion that many governors, no matter which side of the aisle they sit on have tried to protect lives. I commend both Mike DeWine and Governor Cuomo. Ditto others on both sides of the aisle. They are working with statistics that are incomplete. ALL have made mistakes.