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PennBF 06-05-2020 11:17 AM

How Many Remember
 
How many remember the Tawana Brawley case in the small quiet village of Fishkill New York. She lived in an Apt. outside of the Village and claimed she was asulted by the then County Prosecutor, Steve Pagones? Who was the first to claim it was a racist act and the people should up rise, Al Sharpton. His rable rousing did not work and he and Tawana were both sued and lost but I am not sure if they ever paid Steve Pagones for the terrible attacks on him. The case was pretty much destroyed by Tawana's alleged boyfriend at the time who testified the allegations were invented and it was all a hoax! I listened on TV this morning and who was speaking in the service, Al Sharpton screaming for the people to take action. He was rable rousing again as that is what he does!. There was a terrible act by a criminal policeman and killed an innocent victim. Unfortunately, Sharpton obviously saw this as another opportunity and moved in with his rable rousing. He is the bottom feeder of "do gooders" and acts to provoke more killings and injuries. :ohdear:

600th Photo Sq 06-05-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1777830)
How many remember the Tawana Brawley case in the small quiet village of Fishkill New York. She lived in an Apt. outside of the Village and claimed she was asulted by the then County Prosecutor, Steve Pagones? Who was the first to claim it was a racist act and the people should up rise, Al Sharpton. His rable rousing did not work and he and Tawana were both sued and lost but I am not sure if they ever paid Steve Pagones for the terrible attacks on him. The case was pretty much destroyed by Tawana's alleged boyfriend at the time who testified the allegations were invented and it was all a hoax! I listened on TV this morning and who was speaking in the service, Al Sharpton screaming for the people to take action. He was rable rousing again as that is what he does!. There was a terrible act by a criminal policeman and killed an innocent victim. Unfortunately, Sharpton obviously saw this as another opportunity and moved in with his rable rousing. He is the bottom feeder of "do gooders" and acts to provoke more killings and injuries. :ohdear:

All Sharpton does is cause trouble a lot of it. Stirs up uninformed individuals who go on to cause even more trouble.

Al Sharpton does absolutely nothing for minorities.

manaboutown 06-05-2020 11:30 AM

How about this case?https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-st...en-years-later

Whoopi to Sharpton: Apologize to Duke Players : News & Views : NPR

davem4616 06-05-2020 11:40 AM

Al Sharpton is a fine example of why there are more horses asses than there are horses

IMHO the only possible reason that he's not in jail because of income tax fraud is that putting him in jail might make him a martyr in the eyes of some

Stu from NYC 06-05-2020 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1777840)
Al Sharpton is a fine example of why there are more horses asses than there are horses

IMHO the only possible reason that he's not in jail because of income tax fraud is that putting him in jail might make him a martyr in the eyes of some

He was also a good friend of a former president who invited him to the white house rather often.

He should be in prison for tax fraud but he seems to have gotten away with that.

Cybersprings 06-05-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1777893)
It's hilarious, and pathetic, hearing about how Al Sharpton is the problem, when some highly thought of and proved patriots who have served this country with honor for decades...publicly point to a bigger problem staring us in the face.

But yeah, just keep buying into the distraction of..."I'm not racist or bigoted and it's all Sharpton's fault.":ohdear:

Jump up and down and raise your hands, if you see the flaming hypocrisy, irony...and real attempt here.
:a040:

I am really intrigued by the fact that someone posts that Al Sharpton is A problem, and someone CHANGES that to Al Sharpton is THE problem, and then attacks insults folks for saying Al Sharpton is THE problem calling them a bigot and racist for thinking that. And THAT is why we will never be united.

ColdNoMore 06-05-2020 02:30 PM

I'm simply pointing out that the posts using Sharpton as the focus "of a lot" (earlier legitimate point of incorrectly using "ALL" noted) of the problems, while being totally silent and ignoring...what I mentioned as being a much BIGGER problem. :ho:

ColdNoMore 06-05-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 1777902)
I am really intrigued by the fact that someone posts that Al Sharpton is A problem, and someone CHANGES that to Al Sharpton is THE problem, and then attacks insults folks for saying Al Sharpton is THE problem calling them a bigot and racist for thinking that. And THAT is why we will never be united.

Point noted...and post edited. :ho:

Any comments on my other points?

Kahuna32162 06-05-2020 02:31 PM

comment deleted, by me

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-05-2020 02:33 PM

Yes, Al Sharpton is absolutely positively a problem.

It has nothing to do with the fact that 4 cops murdered a black guy, OR that a bunch of cops pushed an old white guy down on the sidewalk and ordered other cops to ignore the fact that the old guy was bleeding from his head when he fell.

But sure if you want to bring up Al Sharpton as a problem, in general, that's fine. I'll post a thread about how cauliflower pizza is inferior in every way to wheat-based pizza. They'll both be random topics and all will be well.

Tom53 06-05-2020 02:46 PM

If there was a way to shut down the extremists on ALL sides of race, religion, and gender, etc., the rest of us would get along just fine. Until then, the agitators on ALL sides will keep telling us how dangerous the other side is, and nothing will change.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-05-2020 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom53 (Post 1777915)
If there was a way to shut down the extremists on ALL sides of race, religion, and gender, etc., the rest of us would get along just fine. Until then, the agitators on ALL sides will keep telling us how dangerous the other side is, and nothing will change.

They'll continue telling us how dangerous the other side is, as long as there are people willing to listen to what they're being told by them.

Stop listening - and they'll stop talking. They talk because they know they have an audience. Even on twitter - if you want to know what someone is saying, but don't want THEM to know that you're paying attention - you do NOT have to follow them. Just UNfollow them - and you can still go to their account page and read what they're posting. But they will not have the benefit of your account on their follower list.

Stu from NYC 06-05-2020 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1777908)
Yes, Al Sharpton is absolutely positively a problem.

It has nothing to do with the fact that 4 cops murdered a black guy, OR that a bunch of cops pushed an old white guy down on the sidewalk and ordered other cops to ignore the fact that the old guy was bleeding from his head when he fell.

But sure if you want to bring up Al Sharpton as a problem, in general, that's fine. I'll post a thread about how cauliflower pizza is inferior in every way to wheat-based pizza. They'll both be random topics and all will be well.

It is a tragedy that the police murdered a man but they will be punished for their actions as they should be.

When they bring on a vicious agitator like Sharpton it is only to make a bad situation worse instead of having a conversation on how to make things better for all.

ColdNoMore 06-05-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1777919)
They'll continue telling us how dangerous the other side is, as long as there are people willing to listen to what they're being told by them.<...SNIP

And therein lies the primary problem.

People listening, without doing their own verification.
:oops:

ColdNoMore 06-05-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom53 (Post 1777915)
If there was a way to shut down the extremists on ALL sides of race, religion, and gender, etc., the rest of us would get along just fine. Until then, the agitators on ALL sides will keep telling us how dangerous the other side is, and nothing will change.

A LOT of truth in that. :thumbup:

Tom53 06-05-2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1777919)
They'll continue telling us how dangerous the other side is, as long as there are people willing to listen to what they're being told by them.

Stop listening - and they'll stop talking. They talk because they know they have an audience. Even on twitter - if you want to know what someone is saying, but don't want THEM to know that you're paying attention - you do NOT have to follow them. Just UNfollow them - and you can still go to their account page and read what they're posting. But they will not have the benefit of your account on their follower list.

Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. Influencers have been around forever. Depending on your religious persuasion, some might say it all started with Adam & Eve and that damn apple!

The fringe fanatics may be God's test on our free will, but I'm not exactly a religious person.

Cybersprings 06-05-2020 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1777903)
I'm simply pointing out that the posts using Sharpton as the focus "of a lot" (earlier legitimate point of incorrectly using "ALL" noted) of the problems, while being totally silent and ignoring...what I mentioned as being a much BIGGER problem. :ho:

You asked in another post if I had any other comments. I do.
1. So, I agree that racism is a much bigger problem than Al Sharpton is, although the comments about him are directly related to the true definition of that problem. In the whole discussion (not your stated points but implied points relating to points being made by many others), there is way too lazy (not meant to be pejorative in this sentence) use of language. We need to be clear and precise on statements we make in order to gain some ground. I know this paragraph is cryptic and needs lots of expansion, but my main comment is:

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted. If we are limited to only commenting on the biggest issue before we can comment on the related issues, then that would make you a racist/bigot because abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined. Also, between 1980 and 2008, blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders (Cooper and Smith, 2011). The vast majority of homicides are intraracial...with 93 percent of black victims killed by
blacks. So, unless you address those 2 issues which threaten black lives exponentially more than racism before talking about police killings of blacks, then don't call others who make comments about other points racist/bigoted, because they are not talking about what is important to you at that moment in time, or is not as big of an issue as the one you are talking about, in your mind (and mine).

Stu from NYC 06-05-2020 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 1777947)
You asked in another post if I had any other comments. I do.
1. So, I agree that racism is a much bigger problem than Al Sharpton is, although the comments about him are directly related to the true definition of that problem. In the whole discussion (not your stated points but implied points relating to points being made by many others), there is way too lazy (not meant to be pejorative in this sentence) use of language. We need to be clear and precise on statements we make in order to gain some ground. I know this paragraph is cryptic and needs lots of expansion, but my main comment is:

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted. If we are limited to only commenting on the biggest issue before we can comment on the related issues, then that would make you a racist/bigot because abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined. Also, between 1980 and 2008, blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders (Cooper and Smith, 2011). The vast majority of homicides are intraracial...with 93 percent of black victims killed by
blacks. So, unless you address those 2 issues which threaten black lives exponentially more than racism before talking about police killings of blacks, then don't call others who make comments about other points racist/bigoted, because they are not talking about what is important to you at that moment in time, or is not as big of an issue as the one you are talking about, in your mind (and mine).

Well said

ColdNoMore 06-05-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 1777947)
You asked in another post if I had any other comments. I do.
1. So, I agree that racism is a much bigger problem than Al Sharpton is, although the comments about him are directly related to the true definition of that problem. In the whole discussion (not your stated points but implied points relating to points being made by many others), there is way too lazy (not meant to be pejorative in this sentence) use of language. We need to be clear and precise on statements we make in order to gain some ground. I know this paragraph is cryptic and needs lots of expansion, but my main comment is:

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted. If we are limited to only commenting on the biggest issue before we can comment on the related issues, then that would make you a racist/bigot because abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined. Also, between 1980 and 2008, blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders (Cooper and Smith, 2011). The vast majority of homicides are intraracial...with 93 percent of black victims killed by blacks. So, unless you address those 2 issues which threaten black lives exponentially more than racism before talking about police killings of blacks, then don't call others who make comments about other points racist/bigoted, because they are not talking about what is important to you at that moment in time, or is not as big of an issue as the one you are talking about, in your mind (and mine).


Please stop right now with the abortion talk, unless your intent is to get this (and all of the other threads on social injustice)... shut down.

Abortion is certainly a big enough issue, to warrant its own thread...so you should address it that way.

Thank you. :ho:




As to black on black (or any other violence statistics) and ignoring poverty and drugs, that are a symptom and not the cause of systemic/institutional racism (given its 400 year history in this country)...is simply a diversion.

Until the majority of whites are ready to acknowledge and understand that 400 year history and decide that it hasn't changed enough...I find the path murky on how to eventually fix the problem.

Unfortunately, all too many whites (who are the majority as of now) have no real desire...to address or change the status quo.

And why should they, as all in all and in spite of its inhumanity (might I add, also in spite of most religious teachings)...it works pretty well in the favor of us that are white.

Unless & until science (fiction) suddenly finds a way, to eliminate the hate/anger/prejudice/vitriol that resides in so many people's hearts...that is.

Stu from NYC 06-05-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom53 (Post 1778005)
I was living in that town (it wasn't Fishkill) at the time it happened, and it left a huge black mark on the town. What I recall was a young girl that did not get home when she was supposed to, and made up a story to take the heat off her. Unfortunately, 3 idiots got wind of it, and blew it so far out of proportion that there was no way to come back from it. Although being a local, I was unaware of that nickname, but perhaps you had a closer relationship with her, so I won't comment on the validity of it.

Lived in NYC at the time and it created huge racial tensions with the 3 idiots (like that) drumming up hatred every chance they had. When it finally came out that she was lying they ran for the hills and were not men enough to admit they were wrong and apologize.

Sharpton has made a career of creating racial hatred.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-05-2020 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 1777947)
2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted.

The racist will say "Sure, that was bad, but this is just as bad, or that is worse, but what about that?"

The person fighting for equality will say, "Sure, this was bad. Yes, that was also bad, but this conversation isn't about that. This conversation is about this. We can address that in addition to this, but right now, we are focused on this. Let's not lose traction by segueing to something else, until this has been addressed and resolved. OR...let US deal with this, while YOU deal with that, and then we can get both things resolved at the same time."

Every time someone says "sure what happened was horrible but what about all the times..." they are revealing that they really don't think it was all that horrible. Dismissing something in favor of another is dismissing it.

anothersteve 06-05-2020 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1778038)
The racist will say "Sure, that was bad, but this is just as bad, or that is worse, but what about that?"

The person fighting for equality will say, "Sure, this was bad. Yes, that was also bad, but this conversation isn't about that. This conversation is about this. We can address that in addition to this, but right now, we are focused on this. Let's not lose traction by segueing to something else, until this has been addressed and resolved. OR...let US deal with this, while YOU deal with that, and then we can get both things resolved at the same time."

Every time someone says "sure what happened was horrible but what about all the times..." they are revealing that they really don't think it was all that horrible. Dismissing something in favor of another is dismissing it.


What?
Steve

banjobob 06-06-2020 05:14 AM

Take the time to listen to Candence Owens you tube talk ,she explains it perfectly

Girlcopper 06-06-2020 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1777830)
How many remember the Tawana Brawley case in the small quiet village of Fishkill New York. She lived in an Apt. outside of the Village and claimed she was asulted by the then County Prosecutor, Steve Pagones? Who was the first to claim it was a racist act and the people should up rise, Al Sharpton. His rable rousing did not work and he and Tawana were both sued and lost but I am not sure if they ever paid Steve Pagones for the terrible attacks on him. The case was pretty much destroyed by Tawana's alleged boyfriend at the time who testified the allegations were invented and it was all a hoax! I listened on TV this morning and who was speaking in the service, Al Sharpton screaming for the people to take action. He was rable rousing again as that is what he does!. There was a terrible act by a criminal policeman and killed an innocent victim. Unfortunately, Sharpton obviously saw this as another opportunity and moved in with his rable rousing. He is the bottom feeder of "do gooders" and acts to provoke more killings and injuries. :ohdear:

He always does and always will. He is the same as Crump, the attorney jumping on every high profile case and magnifying it even more

jacksonbrown 06-06-2020 05:26 AM

Racism isn't a problem, racists like "Reverand" Al are the problem.

ColdNoMore 06-06-2020 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1778152)
Racism isn't a problem, racists like "Reverand" Al are the problem.

Yeah, I remember all of those times that Sharpton used excessive violence...in his racist life. :oops:

Racism, in and of itself, is not against the law...nor even a crime.

It ONLY becomes an issue, when people with power and authority (and those who support those same people)...use it against others.

So just take away all of that unrestrained authority and power away from blacks who hold/represent the majority of power/authority and who constantly exercise that racism against whites (who have no real power/authority in this country)...and the problem is magically fixed.

Oh wait, it's actually...just the opposite.
:ohdear:

icedice 06-06-2020 06:07 AM

msnbc always parades him out when there is any racial incident. they still call him reverend. what a joke

Dahabs 06-06-2020 06:26 AM

Not a fan of Sharpton. In fact I think he has done a great disservice to the African-American community. He seems to jump at every opportunity to get in front of the spotlight regardless of whether the issue of the day warrants a protest. He's lost much credibility in my eyes.

Now, regarding the current George Floyd protest and police brutality in general, I totally support. Been going on for much too long. Nobody should die for passing a bad $20 regardless of whether the one passing the bad $20 was aware it was bad. I also recognized the Kapernick protest for what it was and I also supported it.

Arl 06-06-2020 06:38 AM

I certainly do remember that.

sam&rog 06-06-2020 06:39 AM

Every time I see sharpton on tv,
That is my first thought. Albany tv covered it a lot

michellevanhaste 06-06-2020 06:56 AM

Agreed agreed ......

WesMan 06-06-2020 07:04 AM

Totally Correct!!!!!!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1777850)
He was also a good friend of a former president who invited him to the white house rather often.

He should be in prison for tax fraud but he seems to have gotten away with that.

Why no jail time????????????? If it were You or I, we would would do time!!!!!!! Where is the missing tax $$$$$$$$$ Al?

PennBF 06-06-2020 07:09 AM

Another WOW
 
Another wow as it continues to be hard to understand a position that supports the destruction of the US and the recognition of rioting as a proper respond to any death. You can't just make this stuff up. You wonder what is their payback?:ohdear:

ColdNoMore 06-06-2020 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WesMan (Post 1778245)
Why no jail time????????????? If it were You or I, we would would do time!!!!!!! Where is the missing tax $$$$$$$$$ Al?


While site rules won't allow a proper response, a quick & simple search will show how many of those you support...that similarly benefited.

I dare you, nahhh, double-dog dare you...to make that effort.
;)

ColdNoMore 06-06-2020 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1778253)
Another wow as it continues to be hard to understand a position that supports the destruction of the US and the recognition of rioting as a proper respond to any death. You can't just make this stuff up. You wonder what is their payback?:ohdear:

Russian support?

Bucco 06-06-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1778271)
Russian support?

Good guess?

Nah, lots of ignored backup..so not guess, just not something "we" talk about

Stu from NYC 06-06-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1778268)

While site rules won't allow a proper response, a quick & simple search will show how many of those you support...that similarly benefited.

I dare you, nahhh, double-dog dare you...to make that effort.
;)

Some people will get away with not paying taxes but when the info becomes public the IRS will take action unless they are told not to by a higher authority.

Joe C. 06-06-2020 08:20 AM

Some people call certain minority commentators agitators.
The term that I've heard before, and totally agree with is: "crisis parasite".
You don't hear from these people until something happens where there is an opportunity for them to further divide and segment society.
I would prefer and do enjoy everyday commentators like Walter Williams.

ColdNoMore 06-06-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1778325)
Some people will get away with not paying taxes but when the info becomes public the IRS will take action unless they are told not to by a higher authority.

OK...that explains a lot. :thumbup:

Stu from NYC 06-06-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1778357)
Some people call certain minority commentators agitators.
The term that I've heard before, and totally agree with is: "crisis parasite".
You don't hear from these people until something happens where there is an opportunity for them to further divide and segment society.
I would prefer and do enjoy everyday commentators like Walter Williams.

I am enjoying his column in the village paper.


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