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sswitenki 06-07-2020 02:46 PM

Are there tornado shelters in Villages
 
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??

vintageogauge 06-07-2020 02:58 PM

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The bottom photo is what happened to some villas in Sunset Pointe during the 2/2/07 tornado. They say to go in a bathroom that has no exterior walls if you have one. No one in TV died from the 07 tornado but lots and lots of damage.

Stu from NYC 06-07-2020 03:02 PM

We have two good sized walk in closets, figure that is the safest place in our house

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-07-2020 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1779376)
We have two good sized walk in closets, figure that is the safest place in our house

Only if all 4 walls are interior walls.

In one of our bedrooms, the closet is against the outer wall of the house. In the other bedroom, the closet is in the bathroom, between the bedroom and the toilet/shower area. That room would be the safest room in our house. The other bathroom *would* normally be the next safest, except it has a solar tube and I'm guessing we'd just end up trapped instead of secure.

Topspinmo 06-07-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sswitenki (Post 1779363)
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??

Interior closet in cinder block or concrete frame CYV where I going to bunker down if and when one come directly over head. On good note most tornadoes 🌪 are cat 1’s down here, but if it come directly over you it’s still tornado it just don’t wipe everything off the slabs and suck up asphalt. Like they do in Oklahoma. Under ground the only safe place there.

Kenswing 06-07-2020 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779387)
Only if all 4 walls are interior walls.

In one of our bedrooms, the closet is against the outer wall of the house. In the other bedroom, the closet is in the bathroom, between the bedroom and the toilet/shower area. That room would be the safest room in our house. The other bathroom *would* normally be the next safest, except it has a solar tube and I'm guessing we'd just end up trapped instead of secure.

I think if I was in a manufactured home I would run for something more solid as soon as I heard the Tornado Warning. An interior bathroom does you no good if your house is airborne.

vintageogauge 06-07-2020 03:24 PM

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Florida tornado's do lift things up including cars. More photos from 07 Sunset Pointe.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-07-2020 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1779391)
I think if I was in a manufactured home I would run for something more solid as soon as I heard the Tornado Warning. An interior bathroom does you no good if your house is airborne.

If something more solid was in running distance you betcha I'd run for it. Unfortunately, the closest "more solid" structure to my house is the Orange Blossom Hills Country Club - at the highest elevation in the Villages, with a big honking top-heavy watertower planted in its back yard.

I think, given those particular circumstances, I'd probably be better off taking my chances staying put.

Bogie Shooter 06-07-2020 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sswitenki (Post 1779363)
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??

Don't know which county you live in but, here is info for Sumter. (No, the rec centers are not shelters)
Shelters | Sumter County, FL - Official Website

Stu from NYC 06-07-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779387)
Only if all 4 walls are interior walls.

In one of our bedrooms, the closet is against the outer wall of the house. In the other bedroom, the closet is in the bathroom, between the bedroom and the toilet/shower area. That room would be the safest room in our house. The other bathroom *would* normally be the next safest, except it has a solar tube and I'm guessing we'd just end up trapped instead of secure.

They are so guess the closet will be my fort. Will also make it my man cave in case I have to spend some time in it.

NotGolfer 06-07-2020 06:02 PM

As others said...no, we don't have those...not sure if any communities do unless it's a mobile home park. Generally the weather comes too quickly to run anywhere, anyway. When we first moved her it was a tad concerning since we had basements before. NOW we just go with it and pay attention to the weather news. If something seemed imminent, then we'd go to our inside closet.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-07-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1779441)
They are so guess the closet will be my fort. Will also make it my man cave in case I have to spend some time in it.

Even if you don't make it your man cave - keep an empty bucket/pail, a gallon of water, flashlight, and couple packs of cheese & peanutbutter crackers (or MREs if you're into that kind of thing) near the closet door, outside of the closet. Our closet is actually in the bathroom, so we keep that all in that empty bucket on on the bathroom counter.

If anything happens, you now have food, water, a light source and a toilet to last you a couple of days, long enough to dig your way out if necessary. Keep the phone charged, if you have a laptop or tablet, load up some books on them and keep those charged as well. Bring'em all with you and you'll have something to "do" while you're stuck in there til the storm's over even if the power goes out.

Sincerely -
Someone who's lived through 58 years of Nor'easters.

Velvet 06-07-2020 07:12 PM

Average length of a tornado is 10 minutes. Digging out may take longer. In my inner closet I have a shovel and work shoes, gardening gloves and a heavy table that could hold roof collapse to get under. Use it to store items on under normal circumstances. Flashlight, drinking water and charged phone. I have considered installing a small (fridge sized) tornado shelter for a few thousand dollars but my uncle who lived in TV 30 plus years, my parents also in TV 20 plus years never had a tornado problem.

twoplanekid 06-07-2020 08:31 PM

As I am not going to sleep all night in a closet, I decided to install a hurricane rated window in the only window in the smaller third bedroom of our Holly. As the window faces a poured concrete house, that house should block most debris from hitting the window and all other sides of this bedroom are protected by other rooms. I was also concerned about where to go when I first purchased here and ask questions in this old 2015 thread.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...helter-170732/

Stu from NYC 06-07-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779487)
Even if you don't make it your man cave - keep an empty bucket/pail, a gallon of water, flashlight, and couple packs of cheese & peanutbutter crackers (or MREs if you're into that kind of thing) near the closet door, outside of the closet. Our closet is actually in the bathroom, so we keep that all in that empty bucket on on the bathroom counter.

If anything happens, you now have food, water, a light source and a toilet to last you a couple of days, long enough to dig your way out if necessary. Keep the phone charged, if you have a laptop or tablet, load up some books on them and keep those charged as well. Bring'em all with you and you'll have something to "do" while you're stuck in there til the storm's over even if the power goes out.

Sincerely -
Someone who's lived through 58 years of Nor'easters.

Thanks for the info

EdFNJ 06-07-2020 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779487)
Even if you don't make it your man cave - keep an empty bucket/pail, a gallon of water, flashlight, and couple packs of cheese & peanutbutter crackers (or MREs if you're into that kind of thing) near the closet door, outside of the closet. Our closet is actually in the bathroom, so we keep that all in that empty bucket on on the bathroom counter.

If anything happens, you now have food, water, a light source and a toilet to last you a couple of days, long enough to dig your way out if necessary. Keep the phone charged, if you have a laptop or tablet, load up some books on them and keep those charged as well. Bring'em all with you and you'll have something to "do" while you're stuck in there til the storm's over even if the power goes out.

Sincerely -
Someone who's lived through 58 years of Nor'easters.




You realize, worse case you could end up in OZ. Make sure you have your special shoes. with you. :)

Annie66 06-08-2020 05:47 AM

I'm curious for the structural engineers out there. We have a frame house with an interior hallway that can be closed off to the rest of the house. The interior walls are constructed with metal studs instead of wooden ones. Is there a big difference in the vertical strength of the wood studs versus metal or vice versa?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-08-2020 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1779387)
Only if all 4 walls are interior walls.

In one of our bedrooms, the closet is against the outer wall of the house. In the other bedroom, the closet is in the bathroom, between the bedroom and the toilet/shower area. That room would be the safest room in our house. The other bathroom *would* normally be the next safest, except it has a solar tube and I'm guessing we'd just end up trapped instead of secure.

I'm having a debate with myself over this. I have a walk in closet and one wall faces the garage so I guess that's an inside wall. But our laundry room has three interior walls and one that faces the garage but also has two doors.

I'm thinking that the laundry room might be easier to escape from with the two doors. It also has a sink that could be used as a toilet in case we're trapped. I have all of our hurricane supplies stored in the laundry room.

Am I wrong or is the walk in closet with only one door and no sink a better spot?

stadry 06-08-2020 06:28 AM

not a structural engineer but, impo, insignificant difference re pullout, shear, or compressive in residential const,,, absent below-grade shelter, conc & steel reinforced cmu cubby in garage would be my opt in

La lamy 06-08-2020 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1779412)
Don't know which county you live in but, here is info for Sumter. (No, the rec centers are not shelters)
Shelters | Sumter County, FL - Official Website

So disappointed to hear rec centers are not available for shelter, but this link is very useful. Thanks.

davem4616 06-08-2020 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sswitenki (Post 1779363)
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??


we have a large walk-in closet that is a distance from an exterior wall that we consider to be our 'go to place' in the event of hurricanes or tornados

Davelinda91 06-08-2020 07:39 AM

So if a hurricane is forecasted to come up through central Florida and possibly pass through the TV there are no open shelters? I find That hard to believe with all the rec centers and safe places in the area.

Nucky 06-08-2020 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1779648)
So disappointed to hear rec centers are not available for shelter, but this link is very useful. Thanks.

When Irma was about a day away from us in The Villages The Paradise Recreational Center was Opened as a Shelter. At that time we had a Doggie so that ruled out that place as a possibility. I don't blame them for that. It was nice that they offered the building to those without animals.

The biggest problem even with a week's advanced notice would be where do you evacuate to an area that isn't suffering from COVID? There are over 4000 Manufactured Homes just in the Villages not counting the surrounding area. Where do you stuff all those people in they need to bail out?

It was a tough decision but I chose a Manufactured Home because for about 30 previous years there were no major weather events in Lady Lake. These guesstimations :1rotfl: are from my memory of an investigation I made about 5 years ago in regard to weather. We move in and everything changes. So it's all our fault. I feel better now that I owned that. :1rotfl:

MandoMan 06-08-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sswitenki (Post 1779363)
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??

On YouTube you can find videos about building tornado shelters of wood, bolted into the slab. This could be done in a larger walk-in closet, for example. But they take a lot of wood and cost quite a bit. Fun project, though.

Constructing a Wood Tornado Shelter (1 of 6) - YouTube

OhioBuckeye 06-08-2020 08:15 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by sswitenki (Post 1779363)
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??

Do we have Tornado shelters, yes, they’re called your bathroom!

Stu from NYC 06-08-2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1779746)
Do we have Tornado shelters, yes, they’re called your bathroom!

Bathroom has windows so thinking not so safe.

Stu from NYC 06-08-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1779609)
I'm having a debate with myself over this. I have a walk in closet and one wall faces the garage so I guess that's an inside wall. But our laundry room has three interior walls and one that faces the garage but also has two doors.

I'm thinking that the laundry room might be easier to escape from with the two doors. It also has a sink that could be used as a toilet in case we're trapped. I have all of our hurricane supplies stored in the laundry room.

Am I wrong or is the walk in closet with only one door and no sink a better spot?

Might be better than our walk in closets. Two ways out and a source of water.

twoplanekid 06-08-2020 08:59 AM

The issue with bathrooms might be mirrors shattering and then pieces of glass being tossed around to cut people. I wanted a room where it would be comfortable to stay for a while during a tornado watch and or a hurricane. As I stated in 2015, it would be helpful to have someone provide better information on where to shelter in TV houses that many times have the same basic floor plan.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-08-2020 09:03 AM

During the tornado here I sustained a lot of damage but the lucky part for me was , I woke up quick and ran to the bathroom, as the whole house felt like it was as coming down and then it was gone and then I realized I was standing in the glass shower . The house had lots of damage but I considered myself a lucky man

raynan 06-08-2020 09:03 AM

If it's a hurricane you have time to go to a shelter. If it's a tornado you won't have time to leave the house so you have to have a plan within your home. We have a Gardenia and will use my closet after I dig out the mess in there.

LuvtheVillages 06-08-2020 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Davelinda91 (Post 1779703)
So if a hurricane is forecasted to come up through central Florida and possibly pass through the TV there are no open shelters? I find That hard to believe with all the rec centers and safe places in the area.

First of all, a hurricane is very different from a tornado, which is the topic of this thread. With a tornado, you won't have time to travel to a shelter. Find the safest place in your home.

For a hurricane: A dozen or so years ago the building codes were greatly increased. If you have a newer home, it will be the safest place for you to stay. During Irma, the only homes to suffer damage were in the historic side. For an example of the enhanced building code, go look at your garage door. See all the steel reinforcement? That garage door will not blow away. Same with the rest of your home.

If a hurricane comes, and if you have an older home, Wildwood has an emergency shelter at the Community Center on Powell Road. You have to take your own blankets, pillows, food, meds, etc. You will be crowded in with lots of Wildwood residents. And you will have to park your car in the open field.

Nucky 06-08-2020 09:16 AM

Any concern about COVID?

Bogie Shooter 06-08-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Davelinda91 (Post 1779703)
So if a hurricane is forecasted to come up through central Florida and possibly pass through the TV there are no open shelters? I find That hard to believe with all the rec centers and safe places in the area.

Don't take anyone's word for it on here if you find it hard to believe.
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LI SNOWBIRD 06-08-2020 09:16 AM

I would suggest that you keep glo-sticks/glow-sticks in your hunker down area. The event may happen at night and who knows if there will be electricity at that time. I also have glo-sticks/glow-sticks in our cars for obvious reasons. They are cheap, easily obtainable and
have no expiration date.

vintageogauge 06-08-2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1779805)
The issue with bathrooms might be mirrors shattering and then pieces of glass being tossed around to cut people. I wanted a room where it would be comfortable to stay for a while during a tornado watch and or a hurricane. As I stated in 2015, it would be helpful to have someone provide better information on where to shelter in TV houses that many times have the same basic floor plan.

During the 07 tornado a gentleman on Golden Ridge sustained serious injuries from the mirror in his bathroom where he was taking shelter.

Curtisbwp 06-08-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sswitenki (Post 1779363)
We are pretty new and this is first time I even thought about it. We have a tornado warning and live in smaller 2bd home in Lady Lake. Unlike MidWest, we don’t have basement to run for shelter. We don’t have interior rooms. People just head to closet ? Are rec centers tornado shelters??:shocked::pray::pray: advise??

When i grew up in Boston there were "civil Defence" shelters every where. Not now. Today shelters and bunkers are only for the Very rich..Russia has bumkers to protect millions and millions of citizens.

Chatbrat 06-08-2020 10:39 AM

If you are really worried about a tornado, build a safe room in your garage, precast concrete & steel and anchored to the garage floor- hope you're a wake and able to get in it before the storm hits-

we will just get into a closet off the master bedroom- if we can get out of bed --when the weather alert goes off

twoplanekid 06-08-2020 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvtheVillages (Post 1779817)
First of all, a hurricane is very different from a tornado, which is the topic of this thread. With a tornado, you won't have time to travel to a shelter. Find the safest place in your home.

For a hurricane: A dozen or so years ago the building codes were greatly increased. If you have a newer home, it will be the safest place for you to stay. During Irma, the only homes to suffer damage were in the historic side. For an example of the enhanced building code, go look at your garage door. See all the steel reinforcement? That garage door will not blow away. Same with the rest of your home.

If a hurricane comes, and if you have an older home, Wildwood has an emergency shelter at the Community Center on Powell Road. You have to take your own blankets, pillows, food, meds, etc. You will be crowded in with lots of Wildwood residents. And you will have to park your car in the open field.

Agree, however hurricanes can and do spawn tornadoes. So, I stay in the same room in the house prepared for both.

davephan 06-08-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1779887)
If you are really worried about a tornado, build a safe room in your garage, precast concrete & steel and anchored to the garage floor- hope you're a wake and able to get in it before the storm hits-

we will just get into a closet off the master bedroom- if we can get out of bed --when the weather alert goes off

I've thought about the idea of building a safe room after we move from the north where we have a basement, to Florida, where we won't have a basement. You need to have the space in your home to build a safe room, about the size of a walk in closet. I've heard that the safe rooms cost about $10K to $15K, which isn't much compared to the value of saving your life, if it came down to that!

I'm not sure why glow sticks are even mentioned. Many batteries have a shelf life of about 10 years. You could have several LED lanterns and many extra batteries. The time to buy those materials is long before the hurricane or storms hit, not wait until the last possible minute, as is depicted on the TV news stories where the stores are packed with customers in a mad craze to buy things shortly before every hurricane.

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yankygrl 06-08-2020 03:13 PM

The Community Center in Wildwood on 301 is a SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTER and you need to be pre-cleared to go there in an emergency. Yes you have to bring all supplies, you get a cot. I know this as I am a volunteer for MRC who cover that shelter if it were to open.


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