The Big Con
 

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.

If you have been reading this forum, and paying attention to the news of the day, then you know what the Big Con is.

This was bad when I recall being involved...now it's impossible, and promises to simply get worse. Each side of the issue have promised violence in the streets in November. It has been galvanized and the world watches as we wait for somebody, anybody to step up and at least try.

Seeing posts today with folks not even knowing about the various groups involved in the stress. And nobody is even trying.

When you hear foreign governments who are watching express sadness for what has been wrought (and by the way, was and is the ultimate goal of some, both inside and outside our borders, and they are not even shy about saying it now and listen to their words about the USA, you get the dRk picture.

We had cracks in our society. They are now huge, and again....the only words are promises of more grief for the future and again, nobody even try's to heal.

In celebration of this years class at our Military Academy....this is the motto for the academy...


A Cadet will not lie, cheat or steal, nor tolerate those who do."

Should everyone TRY to live to this standard, there is NO con

I’m not trying to stir the pot but it’s just a statistical fact. Of course there are kids that thrive in single parent households and kids that fail miserably in 2-parent families. But statistically 2-parent households have a big advantage.

You are totally correct. Some people will disagree just to disagree.

I agree. Another "fact" that you don't hear much about is that 75 percent of African American children are raised by an unwed single parent.

I watch very little news these days because it's all negative and much is absurd. But the local Orlando news came on tonight after the golf tournament and stayed tuned for a short while. I see there are still demonstrations going on in Orlando and I assume other cities as well. What I couldn't figure out is what these people want? There were a lot of Black Lives Matter signs and some saying No Justice, No Peace.
I agree. Black lives matter. Now what. But the ones that really confuse me are the ones calling for justice. The cop that killed the guy in Minneapolis along with several of his fellow officers are in jail awaiting trial. What else would they like to see happen in that case.
The have arrested the perpetrator, charged him with a crime and will be
bringing him the trial. That is justice.
All of these calls for defunding police departments is nonsense. Politicians that who are agreeing with it are simply pandering for votes. It will never happen.
So I'm asking, what has to happen to get these people to stop these demonstrations?

What do they expect? 60% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. What do people expect when you take the discipline out of schools? What do expect from a society that believes you can kill a new born? What do expect from poor parenting? What do you expect when you continually tell certain groups you can't compete in society without my help? There is a group of young people where education has failed them, have no respect for anything, spoiled, and lost.

I'm guessing that you don't realize the sad irony/hypocrisy of talking about "LABELS," in the same sentence...where you've done just that? :oops:

As for changing something that might make a difference, how about we start with attitudes, bias' and prejudices...that LABEL ALL of anyone or anything a certain way? :ohdear:

What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here)


Simply a coincidence?

I don't think so. :ohdear:

No. Claiming that statistically a “solid 2-parent family” is not more beneficial to children than a single parent home is a really stupid insertion. And I mean REALLY stupid.

So stay married...regardless?

Now THAT is REALLY... :oops:



Fighting Parents (click here)

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

Below is a link of a video of condensed interview of few famous, prominent black people from different walks of life, sharing their different perspective.
What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube

What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube

The agenda is clear. Corporate America has now stepped up to the tune of 3/4billion dollars to all of these black non-profits.

Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

Video is excellent
 

Thank you for the video link. Very informative. Many men giving their perspective. As Denzel Washington states, it all starts with the family.

My six year old grandson has no idea what color his friend is, what ethnicity or religion he might be. He just knows he likes his friend, they like to do things together.
Maybe we can learn from our grandchildren. It is their future we should be trying to build.

A fat check, free housing, free food and drugs.

Exactly. :thumbup:

Hate, racism, bigotry and prejudice aren't born with our children...it's totally taught. :ohdear:

Lemmings can be found on both sides of the spectrum. Don't even have to look that hard. :icon_wink:

to the contrary...stats show many of the inner city children (white, brown or black) are born out of wedlock. No divorce necessary. Some of the children never know who their fathers are. The fathers roam the streets impregnating women and shirk their fatherly duties. They know the government (or gangs like The Crips and MS 13) will take care of raising their mistakes.

Another white person pointing out how black people should be.:shocked:

There isn't a real plan. Personally, I believe that there will be no progress until both sides of the issue come to the table with concrete proposals of what each will give as well as take. I don't believe you can legislate this, nor force a one-sided solution down anyone's throat. I think the current over-the-top acquiescence by politicians in and out of Congress is only to save their jobs in this election year, and to ingratiate the population they are heavily courting. Celebrities busy trying to portray their superior moral authority with their nonsense yapping about what they are gonna do (nothing, but donate money that they need to write off as charity for taxes anyway) may fool some because a 'name' is attached to their cause... see if it puts food on your plate. I believe we missed out on a big opportunity to have the races more fully integrate at the childhood level in schools, 50 years ago, when you-know-who joined with the segregationists in supporting stopping busing for that purpose. Those who went through that experience have fared much better in jobs and even health, than their counterparts who didn't get that opportunity to get to know others in everyday interactions and get a more solid education. So - bottom line, I think the current method of trying to solve this is only creating even more hate and discontent where it was and creating it where it wasn't. I for one am very angry that I can't buy a copy of the Oscar winning movie Gone With the Wind on Amazon, but I can buy a DVD called All Cops are Bastards. (just a very small example that I thought I could give without getting into anything heavy). No offense intended to anyone, we all have our own opinions and though we may not agree - it's okay, I still enjoy living here and have very much enjoyed being away (for the most part) from the overwhelming political nonsense I lived in, in DC. It's much less stressful here!

Staying Married?
 

Staying married is not the issue here. 75% don’t even consider getting married.

Know God, know peace. No God, no peace.

a majority of single parents with children or however white on social welfare

I'm told that bookstores have not been looted.

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1783776]What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here)


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Simply a coincidence?


Not a coincidence at all. When you have one group committing most of the crimes, then the majority to be exonerated by DNA evidence will be that same group.

Here's an example: You have two groups of people. Group A is convicted of committing 20% of all crimes and group B is convicted 80% of all crimes. We know that some of those convictions were wrong because the justice system nor human beings are not perfect. So we find that 5% of those convictions are overturned by DNA evidence. 80% of those overturned conviction are from group B.

The other thing here is what percentage of convictions in this country are overturned by DNA evidence? I couldn't find that but since 1989 there have been 367 conviction overturned by DNA evidence.

That doesn't seem like a large enough sample size to determine anything.

Thought to think about
 

When all the statues are gone, all the names have been changed of military bases and streets are done the last thing to remind us of slavery will be the constitution written by slave owners...what will we do?

To stop the protest is simple. Stop giving them media attention.

There are many households with just one parent. I came from a broken home and have NEVER not even once in my lifetime thought about stealing or rioting to loot and vandalize someone's property that they have worked hard to attain, just because I felt that life wasn't fair. Where you come from is no excuse for the choices you make in life. There are too many successful people, and many are black, to hold any water with that theory. I have a sister in-law who also came from a broken home. Her mother raised 7 children and worked two jobs to do so. NONE of them turned out to be thugs like those we have seen on tv lately. Two of those 7 children went to college on scholarships that they EARNED. She ended up being a nurse, and has been for two decades. And she chose to have twins in-vitro with no father figure and those children turned out fine. One is in college on a scholarship and the other has chosen to be a cosmetologist and has a thriving business. We need to teach all children that they need to apply themselves in school and prepare to get an education to be able to get a job when they graduate. And graduating is important. Parents need to be PARENTS and stop trying to be their children's friends. They have plenty of those already.

If you examine the efforts to help the black community since the 1960s ... you will see a long list including changes to our laws, to our schools, preferential mortgages and school applications, medicaid, busing, pre-school and after-school programs, etc etc. And they are little better off. Your missive seems to suggest nothing has been done of substance. What are you missing?

Another person that lumps everyone in the same category. Of course the officer that committed murder should be held accountable. The last I hear is he has been arrested and charged with several crimes, including murder. He is being held and awaiting trial. What more should be done immediately, "defund police". What a crazy suggestion. So let me understand, all police are bad and we should get rid of all of them.......hmmmm.....great idea. So when there is a case of domestic violence, or a shooting, or vandalism, who should one call? Oh yeah,.....neighborhood watch.

I can't disagree with you. All the bad things, deaths, looting burning, that the protesters have done has erased any credibility they may have had otherwise. Trying to change our history by erasing it doesn't change the future especially if doing so only further alienates a substantial portion of the population. The truth is that these people really have no common sense suggestions. For instance, instead of seeing signs that say "Train Police Officers", they want the totally stupid suggestion to disband or de-fund the police leaving citizens to fend for themselves. These people are a waste of humanity with questionable IQ's.

The riots are not about race bigotry. It is about money and power. They are an attempt to create a division in the classes. They are angry because they don’t have the pleasures of the middle class. They feel entitled to health care, higher education and rent controlled housing. Looting and burning has nothing to do with law enforcement’s mistreatment of minorities.
The liberal politicians, who need there vote, won’t criticize the rioters for fear of losing their next election. Conservatives are speaking out about the destruction in our cities to no avail. The liberal mayors and governors will regret their weak response and lack of leadership.

Good thread. Thanks for starting, thanks for all the posts.

Their "justice" is a guilty verdict and nothing less.

Teach your children that if you have respect you get respect.

Obviously you don't like what is going on. So, what are YOU going to do about it? I always think that if one is going to complain that one should be willing to do some work to fix what one thinks is wrong. Good luck with the path you choose to fix things.