Yeah, climate change is a hoax,
 

just like Covid is. America should be leading the charge against both problems, not ignoring them or denying the science behind them.

Temperature surpasses 100 degrees Fahrenheit in Arctic Russian town - Europe - Stripes

The only thing constant about climate is change.

How much man contributes to it or can control it are the questions.

Agreed. Over the centuries planets cools and warms and now we are apparently in a warming cycle.

How much is man made is a question. We should do our best to use resources as efficiently as possible in any case.

Greenland just set a new all-time Record-Low Temperature

Greenland just set a new all-time Record-Low Temperature - Electroverse

Why should the U.S. be leading the charge? We only represent about 4 percent of the world population.

Has anyone ever presented a viable plan of action for the world that would solve the "problem" and has any chance to be accepted and implemented globally?

You got to ask yourselves, what's the down side of taking better care of the planet.

Man has zero control over climate! Period end of story!

China is the main source of pollutants and carbon dioxide. Unless and until the Chi-Coms clean up their act whatever the rest of the world does or does not do will sadly have little impact.

Countries rated for carbon dioxide emissions. China is #1; US is #2. China, US: These countries produce the most CO2 emissions

I clicked on your link and learned that the website explained how the sunspot cycle was low and that this is why it was so cold in Greenland that one day. It further explained that this low sunspot activity would last for a few years and this is how ice ages begin. We were to expect a really significant cooling that would be lasting several weeks and be dangerous especially in North America

"This could be big.

Prepare.

The cold times are returning, in line with historically low solar activity.

The jet stream is weakening, diverting brutal polar cold to the lower-latitudes: "

So what was the actual data for the first quarter of 2020? Did this climate chabge denial website get it right? Of course not.

Monthly Temperature: January 2020
The global land and ocean surface temperature for January 2020 was the highest in the 141-year record, with a temperature departure from average of 1.14°C (2.05°F) above the 20th century average. The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean surface temperature departure from average was also highest on record at 1.50°C (2.70°F) above average.

Now to be fair, there was a brief period of cold air in a small area of North America. This is called "weather" not climate change. To look at climate you look at the globe. When it is cold in a few Canadian provinces or one day in Greenland that is not evidence to refute climate change. But one hot day above the Arctic Circle is similarly not evidence to prove that the globe is warming.

It is a bit tiring that the denialists continue to parade sunspot data to "prove" their point because it doesn't support the claim that solar activity is a driving factor. Solar cycles are about 11 years, it goes up then down then begins again. But somehow the global temperatures have only gone in one direction through those 11 years, up.

You know what actually measurable quantity parallels the increase in global temperature. It is not solar activity, it is of course CO2. Man-made CO2 is the major factor in the recent change in CO2 levels.

With the hot temperatures in the formerly frozen tundra there is a very real concern that the methane which has been locked in the frozen soil will now be liberated. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. Additionally with the decrease in snow/ice cover, the globe will absorb more solar radiation which used to be reflected back into space.

Why should the US lead in solving this problem? Because despite what you hear from some sources, the US leads the world by far in production of greenhouse gases per person. Each American, even with all our high mileage cars and pollution controls produces more climate damaging gas than the citizens of any other country. We are befouling the planet. We have been doing it for decades. We are supposed to be world leaders, "American exceptionalism", a beacon for the world.

Great!
 

Very good information and explanation. Sadly, many just don't want to hear it. Most don't seem to know the difference between climate and weather, and the "nay-sayers" use that confusion to support their rhetoric. There is so much we (humans) could and should due, but with our species being so fragmented, unwilling or incapable of uniting to do what is in the best interest of the planet or our species, it is good that there is such a push to get into space.

Every person who has been in the far north or viewed the ice disappearing at alarming rate knows we are in a warming cycle. Ice thousands of years old has melted. Some want to place blame, some want to deny it’s happening. It may have drastic consequences if it continues, so we watch carefully. Personally I think it is a cycle of warming and cooling period. With that said, I don’t down play it and I do think as the health of earth suffers, so will we. It’s just a measure of being good stewards of that which we are a part. We are the earth, we are the eyes and ears and most of the time intelligence. Shame/blame talk doesn’t solve what’s happening if we can solve it.

I posted the record Greenland low this year to show the OP that anecdotal climate data means nothing.

China’s Emissions: More Than U.S. Plus Europe, and Still Rising

China’s Emissions: More Than U.S. Plus Europe, and Still Rising - The New York Times

Check out Climate Audit This is the guy who debunked Mann's hockey stick paper. Lots of scientists and mathematicians comment there. He dissects almost every climate paper that comes out.

Oh boy, our next, ex thread. Won't take long for this one to get locked down I don't imagine,

So what was the actual data for the first quarter of 2020? Did this climate chabge denial website get it right? Of course not.

It's very easy for me to find myriad instances where global warming theories have been wrong as well. I wonder why they changed the name from global warming to climate change?

We all know the reason for the name change.

unfortunately climate change has been politicized. one of the most famous physicists, Freeman Dyson, stated the climate change models are too inaccurate to make accurate long range predictions. and as with covid19 the cure could be worse than the disease.

Did you report this to the woke environmental-activist crowd?

You’ll find them out filling our landfills with their destruction.

Do you know how long accurate climate records have been kept? In many US locations they date WAY back to about 1800.

As we all have recently learned the hard way, statistical modeling is dependent on the accuracy and sufficiency of data input.
Garbage (data) In = Garbage (Conclusions) Out

The weather data we have only goes back for a couple hundred years at most. In the life of the Earth that is like a blink of the eye of in the life of a May Fly which only live about a day. Would you base your investment strategy on one minute of stock trading?
There is a place called Greenland but it is covered by snow! Theory is the Vikings settled that area and gave it the name of Greenland because of the verdant vegetation growing there. This theory has been fairly well documented based on artifacts found there by archaeologists. If the climate has been getting warmer what happened to Greenland? Scientists estimate there have been something like 5 ice ages in the life of the Earth and it warmed up after each one. It got warm enough for cold blooded animals called dinosaurs to live in large areas of the world where they wouldn't be able to live now. I don't think there were any SUV's or humans in the millions living then.

P.T. Barnum said "you can fool most of the people most of the time". There have been numerous news stories of so-called climate scientists fudging, manipulating and completely ignoring findings that don't support their narrative. Computer modules being changed to support their claims when they didn't get what they wanted from the original program.
P.T. Barnum also said "there is a fool born every minute".

Mean temperature calculation’s are at 58 degree presently. Now where near the calculated 75 degrees when The dinosaurs Roamed the earth. Look at charts. They go up and the go down. Some say it has to do with the elliptic cycle of the earth around the sun, basic it get farther away and earth enters ice age. There NOTHING human’s can do to control it. So they say, but I sure a carbon tax will fix it. :popcorn:

Here's one pretty important group (along with +-90% of climate scientists :oops:)...that doesn't believe climate change is just a hoax or hype.

DOD On Climate Change/National Security (click here)


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Dinosaurs are a hoax and fake news, since the earth...is only 10,000 years old.

Just ask... :oops:

It's been hashed over too many times and people still ignore it. I don't think people dispute the climate is changing. The dispute is what the cause is.
There isn't any more (or less) water on this planet than there really ever was regarding this argument.
Sea levels have risen and fallen over the millennia. Florida had salt water beaches further inland than Gainesville at one time. It happened before, it'll probably happen again.

Only 90% agree there's climate change? Ask any person on the street if the climate changes they will say yes, they know what weather is. :1rotfl:

Wow. So +-10% of climate scientists believe the climate is not changing at all?!? That's even higher than I would have predicted! :D

That 90% claim is bogus, do you really believe you will get 90% of any group to agree on anything?

From NASA.


Climate Scientists (poke here)



Note that ONLY "ACTIVELY PUBLISHING, PEER-REVIEWED CLIMATE SCIENTISTS" (NOT...politicians/scientists in other fields/non peer-reviewed/Etc.) are included.

That sure eliminates a lot of the Riffraff. :D



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It is a known fact that if you get 10 economists in a room you will get 11 opinions.

We were planning on a cruise to Greenland in August but the virus put the kibosh on that. Could have taken instruments and investigated to prove whether big foot was ever there.

These are from peer reviewed scientists also, and show climate fluctuations over longer periods of time. Look like man did not invent climate change :MOJE_whot:

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Climate change means climate change 😚
A new record indicates climate change.

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Scale baby...scale.

So, I forget, which one of those graphs show a consistent rise over a 100 year period...versus MILLIONS of years? :boom:

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wow and the Earth is flat right?

And it’s never happened before in the entire history of the world. Wake up.

It's flat where I am, it begins to curve a little beyond my yard.

There's folks who say exactly that...all around the globe. :1rotfl:

Guess what, Al? The sky is not falling. The only constant is change. Been happening since the beginning of time.

The earth is 4.543 billion years according to the all wise Google search. If you're super religious it's a little younger. Somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years. I'll go with the first figure of 4.543 billion for arguments sake.

I forget where the graph from 2.176321 to 2.177322 billion years ago went. It showed a pretty big change. I swear it did. lol

Yet that 4% produce the second largest amount of world polution after China!