It sure looks like a noose to this white person
 

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.

The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose, and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?

Because I live in the constant hope that someone just might, maybe just one, might re-examine their reflexive responses to anything that involves issues of race. That any story which includes POC feeling they have been victims of racism is a hoax. That while it is not possible to ever expect white people to understand on anything more than an intellectual basis what living as a POC is like, I hope some would not dismiss their concerns, their pain, their worldview as a fake and a hoax. So I present this proof that those statements I listed were wrong. 100% wrong. And that whatever preconceived notions led those people, who I carefully did not name, to make those statements might have a brief moment of thoughtfulness the next time an issue tied to race comes up

What/who is the source for this picture?

Yup, that's a noose alright and from memory, that looks like a stall off pit row. Only one problem. That piece of rope has never seen that stall. It's quite clearly photoshopped. Don't take my word either, ask anyone that knows their way around the fantastic Adobe product.
1. If you have a way of blowing it up (no, a magnifier won't cut it) you'll see three things that are dead giveaways. Ropes are weaved so why is the vertical part prior to the knot straight? In between each weave, the rope is physically narrower correct. So why is the background perfectly straight?
2. Why do the pixels of the background get so distorted where they meet the rope?
3. Look closely at the noose portion of the rope. (again, blown up) Why does it have a faint glow to it?
4. And knot to mention the obvious but... that's the cleanest, most perfect piece of rope I've ever seen in a garage. Sorry, it's a fake!
Nice try to whoever did it but that's about 20 minutes work I'd guess not including finding a bay pic and a rope pic to use.

Someones monitor with Photoshop open. lol

Here's the proof. Whoever did it got sloppy on the blending of the background on the end of the rope coming out of the knot.
I won't call it fake news. Just a fake pic.

Wrong wrong wrong!
There are not 1684 stalls at Talladega........sorry, this make your point moot.

Tying the hook.

Talladega Pit Stall layout. We seem to be missing a few hundred stalls. haha
https://i0.wp.com/ifantasyrace.com/w...ions.png?w=780

I don’t know much about nooses. I do know tying knots from boating. It doesn’t look like much of a knot to me, and I don’t think you could hang anyone with it - but what matters is that it is symbolic. People took it for a noose. That is insulting and even frightening.

The photo in question is currently on the Fox News web site - referencing that it originally was taken by NASCAR security. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you - just saying that NASCAR says they took the photo...

NASCAR releases photo of '''noose''' found in Bubba Wallace'''s garage | Fox News

I'm in no way insinuating the OP is a Sheeple, he or she was fooled. It happens to us ALL on occasion, me included! All I'm saying here is this is a perfect reason I do not believe the media. My personal opinion is that no one should. And that is ANY media just in case any of you thought I leaned hard in any particular direction.
I think for myself and after doing research on any subject (if it concerns me or draws my interest all that much) I draw my own conclusion.
This particular S*** stirring report was not only showing a fake pic but their stall count was off by what, 1000? lol Real truth in reporting there.

KA:boom:

Thanks. :thumbup:

In all honesty though, I wonder if the "1,684 stalls" number is either a typo (there isn't that many at just Talladega)...or came from the FBI looking at all of the other NASCAR tracks?

See post about my thoughts on MSM and that includes FOX. That is why I haven't turned on a TV set in just over 4 years now. It's either bomb throwers or shows that do nothing but insult my intelligence, raise my BP and use up too many of my synapses.

Maybe to bring out facts, the truth, show a clear photo and put to rest the obfuscating conspiracy theories and those who have tried so very hard...to compare this with Smollet's disgusting stunt? :oops:

That's just a guess though. :D

I found this at the top of the first page...on my search. :oops:

As I thought...

29 Tracks - 1,684 Stalls - ONLY 1 Noose


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'Maybe to bring out facts, the truth, show a clear photo'... lol The photo is a fake and a key argument in the article (1 out of 1684 plus stalls) has been proven to be wrong by well over 1000. Yeah, sure.

I won't waste my time verifying but would you care to put big money on if that number is correct? PM me if you agree on the wager please.
$1000.00 to the local no kill shelter?

And here, and some other posts, we have a perfect example of why I started the thread. Any claim involving Black grievances must be fake, the photo must be doctored, .... I put a link in the original post to show what a hangman's noose looks like but I will add a few to this post which you can compare at your leisure to the one from the NASCAR report. I also very clearly indicated that NASCAR looked at every garage in their system, not just at one track. As to the photo being doctored, I obviously don't have the original but in my copying it from the news report and then copying it again to this website it is entirely possible that the jpeg process made it a bit fuzzy.
The news photo is available on FOX
NASCAR releases photo of '''noose''' found in Bubba Wallace'''s garage | Fox News
and on ESPN
NASCAR releases image of noose found in Bubba Wallace's garage, says concern was 'real'
and many other sites including NASCAR's own website
NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR

Here is the direct quote from NASCAR.com. Looks like you are going to be donating some cash

"After Sunday’s discovery, NASCAR officials asked each track to sweep through respective garages. Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall."

Here are snips of the noose from NASCAR's photo and online drawings and photos. If you want to tell me that the NASCAR noose is not a noose and you're an expert in noose making, I'll take your word for it. Like I said in the thread title, it looks like a noose to me.

As I said in my very first post and I quote. 'Yup, that's a noose alright and from memory, that looks like a stall off pit row.' Regarding degradation of a jpeg you are somewhat correct, but the degradation is global in a picture, not just around the rope part. Honestly, arguing that point is useless. It's not the way bits and byte's work. It's math, it's factual!
Regarding black grievances... I think the cop that started all this should be hung by a black guy in a public square. That said, I'm not going to lie to make my already flawed argument look any better or look the other direction when someone that may agree with me does something wrong.

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1. It was a short smal rope with a noose-type knot.
2. It was attached to the garage DOOR, not a ceiling rafter or tree limb.
3. It was at that same place on the same door (documented) since Fall of 2019.
4. It was NOT KNOWN that Wallace would be assigned #4 garage.

but - the Wallace team, NASCAR, and of course the Press JUMPED on this with abandon - 15 FBI agents assigned - and the Media made this the spectacle that (unfortunately) we are still talking about.

Case closed - and should have been dropped within 20 minutes after finding it.

Nope - yet another overblown and overreacted matter. period. I'm SO done with this.
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same here, no TV news

I thought you said there was a MOOSE in the garage, hahahaah, now, where the heck are my glasses.:boom:

I could photoshop Bullwinkle in if you would like but they'll call it a fake. lol

Well son of a gun. You quoted the same thing I did and yours doesn't have the +1 or the word other in it either.
Just because I don't believe the lies, distortions and propaganda used to try and make a point does not at all mean I don't believe in the fight for equality. No matter what damn color.

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So it didn't dawn on you, when NASCAR officials "asked each track," Talledaga wasn't included, because they (and the FBI) were there...and had already looked at all of the other stalls? :oops:

My thoughts exactly. That is a noose, regardless of how long it has been hanging there. With all of the Confederate paraphenalia around NASCAR, it is of no surprise that at least one person would think this would catch the eye of someone sooner or later. There are lots of knots, but only one knot is a noose and this was it.

I agree. If you enlarge the photo it's easy to see where color has been added above the end of the rope where it passes across the image of the edge of the garage. It's much blacker than the background color. That leaves a couple of possibilities. It may be just a touchup job to make the rope stand out, which is shaky but OK, I guess. Or it can be a Photoshop job to embellish the narrative. And not OK. At this point it's hard to take anything about the incident as certain.

It looks to me like Bubba successfully jumped into the national spotlight by playing the race card rather than driving his race car. His stunt reminds me of that of Jussie Smollett whose acting career was pretty ho hum but who is now world famous.

Wait, because a 307x361 pixel jpeg looks fuzzy when blown up full screen that is proof that it is fake? Oh, please.
According to the article quoted, NASCAR says they have 29 tracks. The page you linked to says "NASCAR holds races at 30 different tracks..." Big problem: if you actually count the tracks on that list, there are 31. Here's some real proof: NASCAR has trouble counting their own tracks.
You haven't proven anything at all. The article quoted is from nascar.com, NOT "the MSM". NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR All in all, I'd say you're lucky nobody called your bluff & took that bet.
As you said yourself, "Nice try but as they say nowadays, youv'e (sic) been owned. :popcorn:"

More fake news. :oops:

Bubba didn't lose sponsors...because of BLM or the noose incident.




He DID lose one sponsor, because he got mad at an irace (virtual/video game) back in April...and quit playing the video game.

Which, IMHO...he shouldn't have done.

NASCAR Driver Bubba Wallace Loses Sponsor After Rage-Quitting Televised Sim Race - The Drive

Again. Much ado about nothing. People are looking for hate. Hate is not pretty, no matter who does it.

It's only 'fuzzy' around the rope. Nowhere else. That doesn't strike you as odd? I'm no Photoshop wizard. No single person could be. The program is just too powerful but I've used it since KAI made powertools for it. 20 years, maybe more. I'm pretty good at it and I know what to look for.
Don't believe me, please show that to anyone that knows how the program works and they'll agree. It is not an un-altered photo. The black line above the rope end, shadows come from a light source and that's no shadow. Where is the light source? His foot? That's also probably the closest thing to pure black in the entire photo. lol It's fake! Look, I'm no weatherman either but I know the difference between a drizzle and a down poor. Please, I'm not asking you to like or respect me. Personally I could care less, just trust me on this one. It's been altered.

Bubba Wallace '''relieved''' rope in garage wasn'''t noose targeted at him, acknowledges '''embarrassment''' | Fox News
Wallace said he was “embarrassed” by the incident, but relieved to know it wasn’t targeted at him. He never saw the noose in person, which he told ESPN was discovered by an African American member of his team who reported it to NASCAR. Phelps said he is bothered that it hadn't registered with anyone sooner, but reconfirmed that Wallace's team had nothing to do with it, which has been alleged by some on social media.

I'm pretty sure, not too far back, I said do not trust the MSM. All MSM. Research yourself, draw your own conclusions.... I guess I should have included NASCAR in that statement. My apologies. Article says 29, NASCAR says 30, you counted the tracks at 31. Media says NASCAR said 29... Who FC anymore lol. Someone here took the liberty at altering something from the article and implying/assuming they really meant 29 + the one they were at. Bit of a stretch there don't you think? And then added the word 'other' which used where it was, was purposely misleading to back up their argument. It's still there. Look for yourself.
And you are correct. Seems the good ol boys at Left Turn central don't know what properties they have or not.

Things sometimes look like what someones predisposed agenda expects to see. Take a closer look at the picture that the OP posted. It is a rope with a big loop. A noose is a self tightening knot that only gets tighter when weight is hung from it. Nooses can be a very bad thing if used for the wrong purpose. The knot in the picture is a fixed knot that will not tighten when weight is hung from it. Look at reality and ignore what ones agenda fictitiously sees.

So do drivers always get the same garage or was this the first time he was in it. The noose could have been there previously in somebodies else's garage.

It’s a rope
It’s used to close garage door
It’s been like that since 2019
Before NASCAR went public with their racist hoax they knew that.
This was racist publicity for Nascar to get diversity!
Very racist publicity stunt by evil NASCAR
It was wrong NASCAR should be condemned