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Altavia 06-26-2020 11:00 AM

New championship course in Southern Oaks
 
Target opening is late 2021

Southern Oaks Championship Golf Course - YouTube

The Designing of Sawgrass Grove - YouTube

JoMar 06-26-2020 01:01 PM

Good stuff, thanks for sharing

FenneyFanatic 06-26-2020 01:07 PM

I wonder if there will be a new country club as well...

tophcfa 06-26-2020 01:25 PM

This will be the first 18 hole only Championship Golf course opened in the Villages since Tierra Del Sol in 1997, and only the third 18 hole only Championship course out of a total of 13. This will also be the first new Championship golf course since Belle Glade opened in 2014. I wonder how many 10's of thousands of new homes have been built in the Villages since then?

Lottoguy 06-26-2020 01:41 PM

Will also have a restaurant and open shopping area.

Altavia 06-26-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FenneyFanatic (Post 1792505)
I wonder if there will be a new country club as well...

Don't see one on the drawing or mentioned so wonder if this might be it?

hardwick2112@yahoo.com 06-27-2020 05:49 AM

This is great news. It will open about the same time as The Villages Turnpike Bridge.

Jewelz 06-27-2020 06:07 AM

This is exciting!!! It's been a long time coming!

Rwirish 06-27-2020 06:34 AM

Just great, an 18 hour course instead of 27 ( the building of a Championship course was unofficially announced two years ago ). No announcement of new Executive Courses north of the turnpike. How many houses have been built?

Neils 06-27-2020 06:35 AM

Wonder how many golf rounds I can play up North (of44) until this latest carrot on a stick gets served?

Surf Daddy 06-27-2020 07:11 AM

No driving range
 
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Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1792831)
Wonder how many golf rounds I can play up North (of44) until this latest carrot on a stick gets served?

They also omitted a driving range. I am disappointed at the lack of championship courses south of 44. I like the concept of using the golf cart, but travel times to these facilities is not practical. If I would have known this, I probably would not have built in Marsh Bend.

stan the man 06-27-2020 07:36 AM

Just another pasture, leveled off, dig some hoes place sand in holes. Do not plant trees for shade. Do not make dog leg holes. Do not plant flowers. Do not have too many water hazards. Place the dirt (sand) that was removed from sand traps in a nice pile, plant grass seed, as little as possible. Use very little sprinklers.. No ambassadors to speed up play. No need for any rakes in sand traps - nobody uses them. Make greens as hard as possible so nobody has to repair dimples

Michael Charles 06-27-2020 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Surf Daddy (Post 1792873)
They also omitted a driving range. I am disappointed at the lack of championship courses south of 44. I like the concept of using the golf cart, but travel times to these facilities is not practical. If I would have known this, I probably would not have built in Marsh Bend.

Did you not know that there were no championship golf courses down here in the southern oaks? (south of 44)

Did you look at any maps to see just how far marsh bend is from the facilities you mentioned?

Yet you still built a home here.

Michael Charles 06-27-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hardwick2112@yahoo.com (Post 1792784)
This is great news. It will open about the same time as The Villages Turnpike Bridge.

What!

A positive thought!

Thank you.

MSchad 06-27-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1792831)
Wonder how many golf rounds I can play up North (of44) until this latest carrot on a stick gets served?

As many as you like. No restrictions. šŸ˜€

MSchad 06-27-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Surf Daddy (Post 1792873)
I like the concept of using the golf cart, but travel times to these facilities is not practical.

12 championship courses within 30 minute drive with a car..... that is impractical. No matter where you live, it would be impractical to get to them all in a golf cart.

dwhite5773 06-27-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1792905)
Just another pasture, leveled off, dig some hoes place sand in holes. Do not plant trees for shade. Do not make dog leg holes. Do not plant flowers. Do not have too many water hazards. Place the dirt (sand) that was removed from sand traps in a nice pile, plant grass seed, as little as possible. Use very little sprinklers.. No ambassadors to speed up play. No need for any rakes in sand traps - nobody uses them. Make greens as hard as possible so nobody has to repair dimples

Really?

dwhite5773 06-27-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1792431)

Fantastic! I missed this Vmail! I think it’s great! I can’t believe the complaints on this so far? What a fantastic use of space, no road crossovers AND could that be the new town square that they are calling the Market Area? If you hate living south of 44 so much, please move back to Minneapolis, Seattle or wherever your from and let us enjoy the ā€œnew millennialsā€ side of the Villages, please!

dewilson58 06-27-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1792431)




:coolsmiley:

John_W 06-27-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 1792956)
...No matter where you live, it would be impractical to get to them all in a golf cart.

I played Arnold Palmer yesterday, took 20 minutes in my golf cart. Cane Garden is ten minutes, Mallory is 15 minutes, Havana is 15 minutes, Evans Prairie is 10 minutes, Bonifay is 15 minutes, Belle Glade is 20 Minutes. Glenview is 25 minutes and Lopez is 40 minutes. I've only play Terra Del Sol Twice, I think it was about 30 or 35 minutes and Hacienda Hills and Orange Blossom I have not played, they don't seem worth that long a drive when I've got so many good ones closer.

I've been here nine years next week, live next to Southern Star Executive Course. That's along St. Charles Place, for golfers looking for great access to championship courses, look for resales in Buttonwood, Tamarind Grove, St. James, St. Charles, Duval, Gilchrist and villages adjacent to these. Also executives, there are a dozen within 15 minutes of my location.

I don't think I'll be playing that new course when it's finished, or at least not in my own golf cart. When I drove to Fenney in my car it was 14 miles, Lopez is only ten miles for me by car, and that's 40 minutes by cart. Although going south on Morse, you might be able to make good time in a cart for a ways.

Google Maps

charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-27-2020 10:09 AM

I don’t know how many courses are going to be out here , but iv been out here in Fenney for almost 3 years and there are quite a few people who don’t golf , perhaps and I remember something about developer taking it into consideration when building . I have been on 2 courses in villages and 5 all together in Florida including the Bay Hill Country Club ive never played a round and that’s not as uncommon as you might think . I’m 81 I enjoy the walking and bike trails out here and yes I’m still on them In the afternoon after my workout even in summer and the water views, it’s already great out here and in a couple of years we will be the heart of the villages for many

JoMar 06-27-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1793024)
I played Arnold Palmer yesterday, took 20 minutes in my golf cart. Cane Garden is ten minutes, Mallory is 15 minutes, Havana is 15 minutes, Evans Prairie is 10 minutes, Bonifay is 15 minutes, Belle Glade is 20 Minutes. Glenview is 25 minutes and Lopez is 40 minutes. I've only play Terra Del Sol Twice, I think it was about 30 or 35 minutes and Hacienda Hills and Orange Blossom I have not played, they don't seem worth that long a drive when I've got so many good ones closer.

I've been here nine years next week, live next to Southern Star Executive Course. That's along St. Charles Place, for golfers looking for great access to championship courses, look for resales in Buttonwood, Tamarind Grove, St. James, St. Charles, Duval, Gilchrist and villages adjacent to these. Also executives, there are a dozen within 15 minutes of my location.

I don't think I'll be playing that new course when it's finished, or at least not in my own golf cart. When I drove to Fenney in my car it was 14 miles, Lopez is only ten miles for me by car, and that's 40 minutes by cart. Although going south on Morse, you might be able to make good time in a cart for a ways.

Google Maps

We live in Hillsborough and will be carting down....Fenny is a lot shorter by cart than by car....I think Wingnut said it would be about 3.5 miles from Brownwood to Everglades. I don't think Fenny will be any longer than Spanish Springs for us by cart.....but will get back to you at some point.

champion6 06-27-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dwhite5773 (Post 1792970)
<snip> AND could that be the new town square that they are calling the Market Area? <snip>

No, watch the video again. It is the Ezell Regional Recreation Center with an indoor Farmers Market, and a little shopping and one restaurant.

John_W 06-27-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1793229)
We live in Hillsborough and will be carting down....Fenny is a lot shorter by cart than by car....I think Wingnut said it would be about 3.5 miles from Brownwood to Everglades. I don't think Fenny will be any longer than Spanish Springs for us by cart.....but will get back to you at some point.

Hillsborough is much further south than we are here by Sterling Hgts Rec Center. From my house to Rohan Rec Center is 9 miles plus the distance on the other side. If they ever get the bridge at Brownwood finished and connected, that would make the trip for me much easier to the new course. Brownwood is about 20 minutes by cart from my house, but also I can get to Glenview in 25 minutes.

UpNorth 07-18-2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1792905)
Just another pasture, leveled off, dig some hoes place sand in holes. Do not plant trees for shade. Do not make dog leg holes. Do not plant flowers. Do not have too many water hazards. Place the dirt (sand) that was removed from sand traps in a nice pile, plant grass seed, as little as possible. Use very little sprinklers.. No ambassadors to speed up play. No need for any rakes in sand traps - nobody uses them. Make greens as hard as possible so nobody has to repair dimples

Probably not far from the truth. The developer is in the business of jamming as many houses as possible into usable land first. Golf courses come second, on drainage land that is left over. The architect is left to use what the developer gives him. That's why all the new courses look pretty much the same. One boring design after another, and built for low upkeep and fast play.

Bogie Shooter 07-18-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 1805400)
Probably not far from the truth. The developer is in the business of jamming as many houses as possible into usable land first. Golf courses come second, on drainage land that is left over. The architect is left to use what the developer gives him. That's why all the new courses look pretty much the same. One boring design after another, and built for low upkeep and fast play.

Have you explored other communities with undrained land, with superior designs and for your faster play. Give me a break!

dewilson58 07-18-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 1805400)
The architect is left to use what the developer gives him. That's why all the new courses look pretty much the same.


The architect lays out the course(s) in first, then plugs in the roads & houses. Then tweaks & moves things around.

Marathon Man 07-18-2020 02:06 PM

I seriously do not understand why some people continue to live in a community that they complain about so much.

dewilson58 07-18-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1805426)
I seriously do not understand why some people continue to live in a community that they complain about so much.


:bigbow:

Bogie Shooter 07-18-2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1805426)
I seriously do not understand why some people continue to live in a community that they complain about so much.

you said what we were thinking

JoMar 07-18-2020 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1793245)
Hillsborough is much further south than we are here by Sterling Hgts Rec Center. From my house to Rohan Rec Center is 9 miles plus the distance on the other side. If they ever get the bridge at Brownwood finished and connected, that would make the trip for me much easier to the new course. Brownwood is about 20 minutes by cart from my house, but also I can get to Glenview in 25 minutes.

When we were in the renting mode 6 years ago we rented on Yankee Clipper and decided when we purchased to look for something between LSL and Brownwood. We rented for 4 years before buying and spent very little time in SS which helped drive our decision. While everyone said the build out was coming when I learned what was driving that I didn't believe it. Our neighborhood golfers will drive everywhere with carts but the road trip to Lopez is rare. I suspect we will hold judgement on south of 44 until the bridges are complete and we have a chance to explore. Everything now is speculation.

UpNorth 07-18-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1805415)
Have you explored other communities with undrained land, with superior designs and for your faster play. Give me a break!

Yes.

UpNorth 07-18-2020 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1805416)
The architect lays out the course(s) in first, then plugs in the roads & houses. Then tweaks & moves things around.

Doubt that. The builder puts in as many houses as he is allowed, then hires a golf course design group to make a course out of the available drainage land.


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