The Media is the Virus
 

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Lot's of scary stories about surges and hospitals being overwhelmed.

Here's a graph the media won't show you. Negative results on covid 19 tests is surging.

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Here's is a graph showing US socialization (cell phone data) vs hospitalization rates with dates for when unlocking began, when Floyd protests began. Slight uptick in hospitalizations found 8 to 15 days after Floyd protests began.

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When you see stories about hospitals getting overwhelmed, it's not really due to surge of new cases. The new cases are predominately younger in age, most of them do not get very sick. Did you know that if a younger person goes to an ER with a cough or fever and tests positive, this counts as a hospitalization, even if he does not spend a night there. Ditto if an asymptomatic person goes to ER to get tested because his boss told him to. Also hospitals are now open for elective surgeries, postponed heart surgeries etc. They all get tested for covid, if positive you guessed it, they get marked down as a covid 19 hospitalization.

CDC graph of hospitalizations USA with age groups. You can see all hospitalizations are much lower than at the peak, and that hospitalizations of 65+ group are very small.

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Moral of the story is, don't trust the media, they want to keep you scared, and most of them do not want the economy to recover "too soon" This does not mean that if you are over 65/at risk that you should go out and party. Just don't let the media push your panic buttons.

Arizona doctors worry as ICUs fill: '''We’re leaving the hospital sometimes in tears''' - ABC News

Let us know how it feels to be on a ventilator.

I'll go with the American Free Press everyday.

Agree - all but one station is very good at giving us the real news stories

I don't trust any station now to actually just give me the news without a bias

so....we've stopped watching and our blood pressure is down....who knew? LOL

The only news sources to trust do not have letters in their network identity.

there is no real news today....oh for the days of Walter Cronkite and Hunley/Brinkley

every station is pushing out their bias

We've stopped watching them

Very true. They should close the journalism schools fire the professors and start over.

I may not have the station correct but recently ABC decided not to let reporters wear lapel pins so they could objectively report. Nauseating.

Moral of the story is, don't trust the media, they want to keep you scared, and most of them do not want the economy to recover "too soon"

Exactly.

I've come to rely on the comments found in forums like TOTV. With a variety of opinions, I can form a belief based on a consensus of replies. That belief almost always becomes close to factual over time.

Gosh, how nice of you.

Apparently ABC news did not check with the Arizona Department of Health Services which monitors daily covid 19 hospitalizations for the whole state. They have been going down since early June and are nowhere near full capacity.

Scroll down and click on the Hospitalizations red circle for the Hospitalizations by day graph.

ADHS - Data Dashboard

perhaps a more studious and complete search would have uncovered this....

"PHOENIX – A reporting glitch from the Arizona health department Monday didn’t impact the fact that more coronavirus patients are in the state’s hospitals than ever before.

There were 2,721 confirmed or suspected COVID-19 patients hospitalized Sunday, according to data reported by the Arizona Department of Health Services on Monday.

That topped the previous high of 2,691 from the previous day and continued an upward trend that has seen the number double since June 11.


"COVID-19 hospitalizations aren’t the only data point at or near a pandemic-high mark in Arizona.

The number of COVID-19 patients in ICU beds increased overnight by 13 to 679 on Sunday, a high mark.

THE DOGGONE MEDIA ONCE AGAIN


"https://ktar.com/story/3348077/arizona-hospital-data-with-record-covid-19-patients-not-affected-by-error/

For us Floridians, plenty of hospital capacity

The hospital bed availability in Florida is at 22.36 percent as of June 30. The adult ICU availability is at 19.83 percent, which is low compared to recent days.

These are normal numbers, hospitals are in business to make money, average occupancies are 70-80%

Exactly! The surge in Covid-19 positives are increasing the most in the 15-24 and 25-34 age groups. On May 24 that age group accounted for 11,500 positive cases in Florida. As of June 30 that same age group account for 53,633 positive cases. Of that age group there have only been a total of 25 deaths. And on May 24th they only had 13 deaths for the groups.

Right now the age groups that compromise the 55-64, 65-74, 75-84 and 85+ have a total of 42,521 positive cases. However those age groups have a combined 3,286 deaths compared to 2,102 on May 24th out of 20,780 positive cases. Four age groups have gone up in positive cases by 21,741 while two younger age groups have gone up by 42,133.

3,286 vs 25.

One demographic is really feeling the pain of this virus. On average 19 people die each month from distracted driving in Florida. We just had 12 15-34 year olds die from Covid. Good luck hoping the other one will even think about wearing a mask.

Who or what is "Hunley"?

Don't believe everything you hear. Especially from the mainstream mercenary media. Even salt looks like sugar.

Why would the media wish the economy not to recover too soon? Regardless of the type of media, they depend on advertising for their own economic success. A down economy means less advertising income. Your thesis doesn’t make sense.

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If you test more you will get more negative and positive results. What matters is if the ratio changes..that is more + than - outcomes. That is what is occurring.
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Agree,

If this was truly a pandemic everything would be shut down with people dying in the streets.

From your link

However, a department spokesman told KTAR News 92.3 FM that the reporting issue didn’t affect the accuracy of hospitalization and bed capacity numbers, as well as the report of zero deaths.

They had a peak of hospital admissions 2 weeks ago. The Arizona Dept of Health websites shows new admissions to hospitals trending steeply downward. They are at 84% capacity of ICU beds which will go down shortly as the cases from 2 weeks ago either die or are sent home.

The ABC news article tried to give impression that Arizona hospitals are overwhelmed, they are not.

I love the thread title “ the media is the virus” finally someone gets it! Thanks

What a load of rubbish. The US is experiencing a record number of new cases daily of close to 40,000 per day. 28 states had 50% + increases in June. Putting your head in the sand will only make the pandemic last longer.

I wonder what people do during a pandemic when they are told to stay home?

News consumption was high among U.S. audiences as viewers turned to their preferred networks for updates on the coronavirus pandemic. Fox News averaged 3.54 million primetime viewers in the week running from March 9 to 15, 2020, and in April 2020 CNN's average audience among the 25-54 demographic jumped by 193 percent year on year.

Have you seen a big drop in commercials in the past few months? Me neither.

Wow! I just checked this site and it's amazing how misleading the ABC story turns out to be. Clear case of sensationalism and confirmation bias. Pitiful example of the current state of the media.

The media reports are pretty clear - the virus is spreading all across the south. It's pretty clear. Not sure what's the problem.

However, since we can't put the genie back in the bottle ... we have to watch and keep safe. Nice and easy.

I agree with your first statement. However, with your second statement, yes, your blood pressure may be down but I bet your arm strength is down as well. Mine is up from throwing stuff at my TV after hearing all the BS.

Looks like you took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. Fake news is fake only because it's truthful. I have a wonderful parcel of land right in the heart of New York City that I can sell you really cheap. Interested? Beware of those who go through life with their eyes, hearts, and minds closed.

Shaking my head at the comments on here. Brushing off a deadly disease like it’s nothing and all media made up. People need to wake up. It’s here to stay for a very long time and will continue to spread with these attitudes. Horrible for the doctors and nurses to constantly try to save people without knowing everything about it, putting their own lives at risk because we don’t take it seriously. Many have PTSD already. Do we think they are all going to stay in this profession with a steady stream of covid patients? They have families too and want to survive WITH them. So what if there’s more capacity?! It’s fine to keep spreading it because there are enough beds? For now? So what if someone goes in for something else and is tested positive for covid and now counts as a covid hospitalization? Now they have to be in a separate area with more stringent care/PPE. They are spreaders! We DO need to keep up with masks and social distancing. Other countries have done this and have brought their numbers way down. We are the WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD for infections because we have not been consistent in trying to control this. People, we are the age group at risk!!

same here on not watching tv news on any channel. just scan the daily sun headlines then some fav science websites.. i do think this post was informative... but the usual few snarky remarks that contribute nothing

Nope, no rubbish here. Sure, lots of new cases but the death rate has gone down since the peak. The surge of new cases is composed mostly of young people, the median age of new cases in Flroida is 35, down from 65 in March and April. Similar median age drop in other surging states. If you are under 50 the CDC puts your death rate from covid 19 at 0.05%. Less than the flu. A few of them die because they have hypertension or other health problem. 70-80% of this age group are asymptomatic or very mild symptoms

Why has the median age of new case dropped so much? Several reasons

1. Floyd protests - spike began 1-2 weeks after massive protests
2. Workplace testing - employers require workers to get tested
3. Reopening - no social distancing at bars etc (but spike started right after protests, not right after reopening
4. Testing easier to get, previously you needed to have symptoms.

These cases have always been there, these people never got tested because they had zero or very mild symptoms.

The number of Americans who have contracted COVID-19 is likely 10 times higher than the 2.5 million currently confirmed cases, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.

Center For Disease Control (CDC) Director Dr. Robert Redfield’s estimate indicates that at least 25 million Americans have been infected by SARS-CoV-2 to date.

If you are 65+ or have at risk health complications, my advice is to continue safe practices. Personally I don't enter any enclosed spaces other than my home, there are lots of asymptomatic cases out there and while they don't get sick and die they can still pass it to me. But I am not panicked by the surge in new cases because I understand where it is coming from.

I’ll stay with NIH CDC and John Hopkins. Tracking Covid is now rising in 28 states since reopening even with protective measures as PPE. There were not protests in every state considering the epicenter Ma Ny Ri and Nj have had less than 300. The one difference is MASKS and SOCIAL DISTANCING as compared to Fl Tx Az Ca.
A mask will not hurt you.

Are you a we doctor? Or are you in a position of power be it ceo of a hospital or medical review ?
What exactly are your qualifications for making you opinions sound like facts? All my sources say the opposite of what you are saying and they are in places of power to know the truth.

Hmmmm... Rely on TOTV forums, I don't think so, BUT reading, listening, googling and then after fact checking, draw your own conclusion without bias!!

In the villages and especially on this site there is no real news unless they agree with it !!!

The number of Americans who have contracted COVID-19 is likely 10 times higher than the 2.5 million currently confirmed cases, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.

Center For Disease Control (CDC) Director Dr. Robert Redfield’s estimate indicates that at least 25 million Americans have been infected by SARS-CoV-2 to date.

New York New Jersey did not get spike from protests because they had already reached a level of herd immunity. Nobel Laureate Michael Levitt of Stanford thinks herd immunity is reached as low as 20-30% of population. If CDC Director is correct that actual case count is 10 times what testing has confirmed, NYC's confirmed case count of 400k becomes 4 million, 50% of NYC population.

Chet Huntley and David Brinkley were NBC journalists - the best!

The horse broke out of the barn a long time ago and the media acts like it's some thing new. Of course the more testing you do you will find more people who had it and never knew it. Common damn sense.

Updated US 7-Day Avg CASES vs DEATHS graph which highlights the cases upturn beginning around June 9. The CDC reports mean time from symptom onset to death of ~14 days. Cases are now skewing younger & milder, but still no deaths curve inflection despite the marked increase.

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No one is brushing anything aside, just looking at the data and why it shows no reason to panic. The surge is mainly composed of younger and asymptomatic cases. They aren't causing deaths to spike. Older and at risk people are still advised to be careful. Until a vaccine is developed or herd immunity is achieved, nothing will stop this virus.

I don't think you understood about ER hospitalization data. If asymptomatic or very mild symptom 35 year old goes and gets tested, they use normal precautions all testers use re PPE gear. Even if they are sent home with a prescription, which happens a lot, if they test positive they are counted as a "hospitalization"

Well said !:icon_wink:

I agree with you 100%:coolsmiley:

They reported the news they did not slant the news according to what they wanted it to be.

Would put Walter Cronkite in with them.