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kas52 07-20-2020 01:25 PM

'If It's Here, It's Here': America's Retirees Confront the Virus in Florida
 
‘If It’s Here, It’s Here’: America’s Retirees Confront Coronavirus in Florida - The New York Times

davem4616 07-20-2020 01:45 PM



interesting article...thanks for sharing

no surprise here that the numbers in TV are going up though....young families have been constantly coming to TV from out of state "to see Grandma & Grampa" all along and none of them are quarantining upon arrival as many states are requiring people to do.

the number of positive cases in the Tri-Country area have been steadily going up...

To be safe one has to actually choose to play it safe...and to do it consistently

billethkid 07-20-2020 01:50 PM

The reality check that is missing from most reporting is the broad brush application of incidences.....for accuracy one needs to know the stats for where they live and not be lumped in with the Miami numbers, for example.

Nucky 07-20-2020 02:30 PM

I am so disappointed in the actions of what I considered to be some pretty smart apples in the north and some pretty smart people in The Villages as far as their Corona Virus Behavior goes. Just shameful. I don't say anything directly because what's the use? They know it all!

All we can do is try to do the best we can.

Stu from NYC 07-20-2020 02:40 PM

We should all do a better job at protecting ourselves but surprised how many factual errors were in the article.

NYT is a shell of its former self.

bagboy 07-20-2020 02:41 PM

I usually give people the benefit of the doubt regarding their intelligence and/or common sense. I went to our mailbox today, and there were three females having a conversation in close proximity to each other, none wore a mask, and they were blocking the walkway to the rear boxes. I walked around through the grass, got my mail, and headed back the way I came. I overheard one of them asking a man they apparently knew, "are you staying safe?" I had to laugh, not much point saying something to someone that dense.

FenneyFanatic 07-21-2020 04:51 AM

The Villages is a very large community. To interview a few people and assume that they are representative of the entire community is poor journalism.

graciegirl 07-21-2020 05:45 AM

I can't open it. It wants me to sign up and I tried but I still can't open it. I wonder what it says.

Ah hah. Here is a link that works; ‘If It’s Here, It’s Here’: America’s Retirees Confront Coronavirus in Florida - The New York Times

I hate it when so few speak for so many. I think our mask wearing is excellent and has nothing to do with how we vote. What we are mostly are smart old people who are trying to stay alive .

bbrizendine 07-21-2020 05:48 AM

Dancing in the Squares
 
Geez. I didn''t know that we were dancing in the squares every night.

1948JDG 07-21-2020 06:18 AM

Hopefully, the folks in TV will wear masks while in public and definitely if they can't maintain safe distancing.

Guitarman1951 07-21-2020 06:20 AM

Good example of how the press takes things out of context to fit their narrative. Not trying to belittle the dangerous virus and we are wearing our masks, staying home, etc., But when you have 313 cases out of 135,000 people, that is a very low rate. Still, we need to stay vigilant.

GaryKoca 07-21-2020 06:22 AM

We have not been there since June 3, when the Villages was doing a really good job. Looks like things have gotten a bit out of hand since then. A couple of factual errors:
1. Only 12 golf courses in the Villages - way off.
2. Percent of Republicans in the Villages as 2/3s? Based on my experience, it is more like 80-85%.

Moderator 07-21-2020 06:27 AM

Please address the content and accuracy of the quoted article....how Covid-19 is affecting The Villages.

A number of posts have attacked the source of the article or made otherwise political statements. If this continues, the thread will be closed.

Moderator

Carolynp4 07-21-2020 06:38 AM

Couldn’t read the article!

Luisa 07-21-2020 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimchristie (Post 1806570)
Good example of how the press takes things out of context to fit their narrative. Not trying to belittle the dangerous virus and we are wearing our masks, staying home, etc., But when you have 313 cases out of 135,000 people, that is a very low rate. Still, we need to stay vigilant.

One third to one half of Sumters cases are in the prisons.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-21-2020 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenneyFanatic (Post 1806532)
The Villages is a very large community. To interview a few people and assume that they are representative of the entire community is poor journalism.

Bingo.

The fact that The Villages has one of the lowest contraction rates in the country shows that the people that they interviewed are in the minority.

Mendy 07-21-2020 07:54 AM

Correction
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryKoca (Post 1806573)
We have not been there since June 3, when the Villages was doing a really good job. Looks like things have gotten a bit out of hand since then. A couple of factual errors:
1. Only 12 golf courses in the Villages - way off.
2. Percent of Republicans in the Villages as 2/3s? Based on my experience, it is more like 80-85%.

Jut saw this correction posted

Correction: July 20, 2020
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article misstated the number of golf courses in the Villages, Fla. It has 55, not 12. (There are 12 championship golf courses.) The error was repeated in a picture caption.

Stu from NYC 07-21-2020 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mendy (Post 1806639)
Jut saw this correction posted

Correction: July 20, 2020
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article misstated the number of golf courses in the Villages, Fla. It has 55, not 12. (There are 12 championship golf courses.) The error was repeated in a picture caption.

Glad they fixed one error. Showed a picture of a swimming pool as part of their article saying how irresponsible the people living here are and seems to me people were spaced well apart.

graciegirl 07-21-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1806604)
One third to one half of Sumters cases are in the prisons.

Well here is a report from the online news;





"Two more tri-county residents have died of COVID-19 and three more employees at a local long-term care facility have tested positive for the virus.

The victims were identified as a 66-year-old woman from Lake County who tested positive June 30 and an 80-year-old Marion County man who tested positive June 26, hadn’t traveled recently but had been in contact with another Coronavirus patient. The specific communities the victims lived in weren’t released by the Florida Department of Health.

Three more employees also have tested positive at Buffalo Crossing Healthcare and Rehabilitation Center, located at 3875 Wedgewood Ln. in The Villages. That long-term care facility reported two employees suffering from the virus on Sunday.

Twenty new cases also have been reported in The Villages and surrounding communities. Those include:

The Villages up three for a total of 313;
Wildwood up six for a total of 129;
Lady Lake up four for a total of 112;
Summerfield up three for a total of 155;
Leesburg up two for a total of 474;
Oxford up one for a total of 49; and
Fruitland Park up one for a total of 48."

JoMar 07-21-2020 09:36 AM

I always find it interesting that we look so hard to nit pick any article that may raise a flag. It's not the statistics that matter, cases are going up in The Villages, hospitalizations are going up in The Villages and deaths are going up and that's only from the data they have. Not everyone gets tested so we have no idea how many are carriers. It amazes me that people here have a tolerance for that, like it's collateral damage necessary for them to live their lives the way the want to. Like Vietnam and previous wars. It's not always the numbers, sometimes it's the trends.

kanoa1kale2 07-21-2020 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1806713)
I always find it interesting that we look so hard to nit pick any article that may raise a flag. It's not the statistics that matter, cases are going up in The Villages, hospitalizations are going up in The Villages and deaths are going up and that's only from the data they have. Not everyone gets tested so we have no idea how many are carriers. It amazes me that people here have a tolerance for that, like it's collateral damage necessary for them to live their lives the way the want to. Like Vietnam and previous wars. It's not always the numbers, sometimes it's the trends.

There simply is no clarity in the reporting. It is impossible to gauge trends when the testing is erratic and inaccurate. The recent articles regarding positive rates being 98% vs 9.8% are disturbing. It could be as simple as a decimal point shift in the report or intentional to push and agenda. I'm hoping it was a decimal shift. It is not logical to assume no increase in infection rates when you have many people going back to work. When the lockdown was in effect, it was effective and kept the rates down, but realistically, our country cannot be on lockdown for an extended period of time without complete failure. Until we have an effective vaccine, we will have to move along the best we can do. Lake County has a death rate of .0106 from confirmed cases which doesn't seem like much unless you are one of the 1%. The confirmed case percent is .0092 in Lake County which is under 1%. Lake County has 367,000 population. We are doing well in containing it.

Rosebud1949 07-21-2020 10:01 AM

Covid figures today.Lake 3391 positives ( 2 times that of 7th July) Marion 2550 positives. (3 times that of 7th July) Sumter 843p. ( 2 x that of 7th July). Why !! as other postings say Families visiting, Villages travelling to hot spots, and to see family and coming back etc. PANDEMIC... people.....

At least now those of us who care about our families and friends can go to the grocery store in safety, as you HAVE TO wear a mask now.. But hey dont worry non-carers you can all go to Winn Dixie.. no mask regimen there (yet!!)

Number 10 GI 07-21-2020 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenneyFanatic (Post 1806532)
The Villages is a very large community. To interview a few people and assume that they are representative of the entire community is poor journalism.

This wasn't journalism it was a hit piece. The article almost sounds gleeful that we "affluent retirees" were getting the virus like we deserve.
I didn't know I was an "affluent retiree", maybe I need to hire a financial advisor to find out where all my affluence is coming from.

allsport 07-21-2020 11:45 AM

29 admissions in one day to the local hospital with Covid 19, specific enough? It is here because the people who did not believe in it put us all at risk.

mydavid 07-21-2020 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1806604)
One third to one half of Sumters cases are in the prisons.

so i guess those lives don't matter

mydavid 07-21-2020 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allsport (Post 1806783)
29 admissions in one day to the local hospital with Covid 19, specific enough? It is here because the people who did not believe in it put us all at risk.

Stupid people do what stupid people say. Like this its "just a hoax"

jimjamuser 07-21-2020 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1806713)
I always find it interesting that we look so hard to nit pick any article that may raise a flag. It's not the statistics that matter, cases are going up in The Villages, hospitalizations are going up in The Villages and deaths are going up and that's only from the data they have. Not everyone gets tested so we have no idea how many are carriers. It amazes me that people here have a tolerance for that, like it's collateral damage necessary for them to live their lives the way the want to. Like Vietnam and previous wars. It's not always the numbers, sometimes it's the trends.

Good post.

jimjamuser 07-21-2020 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allsport (Post 1806783)
29 admissions in one day to the local hospital with Covid 19, specific enough? It is here because the people who did not believe in it put us all at risk.

Agreed

jimjamuser 07-21-2020 12:22 PM

Overall, it was a good article. The Villiages should be pleased by the fact that, "any publicity is good publicity". The pictures were nice. The whole US is bound to be curious to know how seniors are doing, and in a LARGE retirement center. Curious because of the large baby-boomer demography.

stadry 07-21-2020 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mydavid (Post 1806788)
so i guess those lives don't matter

give 'em masks instead of releasing them

sallybowron 07-21-2020 04:54 PM

Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1806420)
interesting article...thanks for sharing

no surprise here that the numbers in TV are going up though....young families have been constantly coming to TV from out of state "to see Grandma & Grampa" all along and none of them are quarantining upon arrival as many states are requiring people to do.

the number of positive cases in the Tri-Country area have been steadily going up...

To be safe one has to actually choose to play it safe...and to do it consistently

It may have something to do with the kids coming to visit but I noticed, even before the time he kids visit that more then half of the Villagers were not wearing masks or standing 6 feet away. One of them told me that The Villages would not be struck because "we are not those kind of people." What kind of people get it and what kind of people are the Villagers? I had a doctors appointment today and not even half of the people were wearing masks. What is up with that?

JoMar 07-21-2020 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosebud1949 (Post 1806731)
Covid figures today.Lake 3391 positives ( 2 times that of 7th July) Marion 2550 positives. (3 times that of 7th July) Sumter 843p. ( 2 x that of 7th July). Why !! as other postings say Families visiting, Villages travelling to hot spots, and to see family and coming back etc. PANDEMIC... people.....

At least now those of us who care about our families and friends can go to the grocery store in safety, as you HAVE TO wear a mask now.. But hey dont worry non-carers you can all go to Winn Dixie.. no mask regimen there (yet!!)

Winn Dixie announced today, masks start next Monday.

Byte1 07-22-2020 07:01 AM

When you have much more testing, you are bound to have much more positives. The death rate in the Villages is still very low, therefore with more testing, the ratio of deaths to positives keeps going down, not up. These media articles are meant to induce more artificial panic (if there is such a term for it).
Yes, it is still serious. Yes, we need to be vigilant and take precautions. But, panic --- NO!

Luisa 07-22-2020 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mydavid (Post 1806788)
so i guess those lives don't matter

Your words not mine. Nothing to do with what you said. The point was if a large portion of the cases are confined, the cases in the community are less than the numbers reflect. I actually feel bad that incarceration probably puts them at higher risk.

Joelack99 07-22-2020 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1806661)
Well here is a report from the online news;

Can you clarify what “online news”? Thanks.

Luisa 07-22-2020 08:42 AM

I have been in TV a total of 8 months and I have already personally seen TV misrepresented by the media twice. Once was the golf cart rally and second this article. Most people here have been very good about wearing masks and social distancing for months. Interesting to be a distance away and not really believe what you are being told and actually being there and knowing for yourself.

Pballer 07-22-2020 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1807155)
I have been in TV a total of 8 months and I have already personally seen TV misrepresented by the media twice. Once was the golf cart rally and second this article. Most people here have been very good about wearing masks and social distancing for months. Interesting to be a distance away and not really believe what you are being told and actually being there and knowing for yourself.

Have you seen the bars in the evening? No masks and no social distancing.

Spikearoni 07-22-2020 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sallybowron (Post 1806922)
It may have something to do with the kids coming to visit but I noticed, even before the time he kids visit that more then half of the Villagers were not wearing masks or standing 6 feet away. One of them told me that The Villages would not be struck because "we are not those kind of people." What kind of people get it and what kind of people are the Villagers? I had a doctors appointment today and not even half of the people were wearing masks. What is up with that?

Shame on the practitioner’s office for allowing patients to be treated without masks. They should be vigilant about taking temps of all who pay a visit, opening the door if it can’t be pushed, and maintaining social distancing in the waiting room, along with providing disposable masks if a patient is without one.

Aloha1 07-22-2020 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 1807189)
Have you seen the bars in the evening? No masks and no social distancing.

Why are you going there then??

Stu from NYC 07-22-2020 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mydavid (Post 1806788)
so i guess those lives don't matter

It was an article about life in the villages and had nothing to do with prisons.


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